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Most definitely going to die here. Houken did worst thing against the MC, he shouldn't have gone this hard on KK if wants to get out alive. Lol
KK totally went on savage mode same as Houken. Lol
Though KK really gave some serious injuries to Houken.
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She's definitely above other youngsters in the series.
Note that she wasn't in best shape to fight but still injured Houken quite severely.
Houken's two fingers were cut...
Though KK really gave some serious injuries to Houken.
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She's definitely above other youngsters in the series.
Note that she wasn't in best shape to fight but still injured Houken quite severely.
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I don't really get it. Houken is supposed to be the strongest right now, but he always gets injured even by wayyy weaker characters - i don't mean Kyoukai. What is his 100 str based on? And no, i don't see those numbers as an accurate indicator and there was also alot of inconsistencies, but there must be a reason why Hara gave him this number. If Shin would be able to beat him here, this would be the biggest non-sense ever. Yes Houken is injured, but doesn't seem to bother him - don't tell me those 2 lost fingers will be the reason why he will get overpowered again or even beat...
Shin is injured too and he is even struggling against fodders. It doesn't make sense for him to beat Houken - this also would be a disappointing way to kill off the ''strongest'' guy in the series.
We have to see how Hara will handle this, but i smell some real bs happening.
Shin is injured too and he is even struggling against fodders. It doesn't make sense for him to beat Houken - this also would be a disappointing way to kill off the ''strongest'' guy in the series.
We have to see how Hara will handle this, but i smell some real bs happening.
Yeah the point of making Houken the strongest character is about how the weight of a General can surpass raw strength.
In other words, the strength of those who fight for a dream > the strength of those who don’t
Houken May, technically speaking, be stronger than people like Ouki, Renpa, Moubu, etc but all of those guys are fueled by their ambitions while Houken is not. These 3 would likely defeat Houken despite Houken actually mechanically being stronger than them
This is why Houken being the strongest character must narratively be true I think, because the point Of Houken is about dreams and ambition surpassing raw strength
In other words, the strength of those who fight for a dream > the strength of those who don’t
Houken May, technically speaking, be stronger than people like Ouki, Renpa, Moubu, etc but all of those guys are fueled by their ambitions while Houken is not. These 3 would likely defeat Houken despite Houken actually mechanically being stronger than them
This is why Houken being the strongest character must narratively be true I think, because the point Of Houken is about dreams and ambition surpassing raw strength
I think series has just went mid way only here or bit above. Though i believe we'll get strongest characters in Chu, like KouEn, Renpa etc. Though they won't be much higher than Houken. Around there level or bit below in case of Renpa. While new characters will also be introduced later on too. That would be spoiler. Lol
Also are you referring to Kozen injuring him before getting bruised up by KK or referring to some other incident ?
Zhao has to go down now and so as Riboku and Houken. It can't be postponed for later. While i agree with you that Houken vs Shin and KyouKai should be way more epic here but let's wait and see how is Houken vs Shin going to happen.
Shin is in serious rage mode along with weigh if dead soldiers and injured KK, that's why I'm seeing this fight going to be an epic one in whole series.
Also are you referring to Kozen injuring him before getting bruised up by KK or referring to some other incident ?
Zhao has to go down now and so as Riboku and Houken. It can't be postponed for later. While i agree with you that Houken vs Shin and KyouKai should be way more epic here but let's wait and see how is Houken vs Shin going to happen.
Shin is in serious rage mode along with weigh if dead soldiers and injured KK, that's why I'm seeing this fight going to be an epic one in whole series.
I am Aware of the weight of the General Thing.
@Shanks
I was mainly Talking About Shin vs Houken. Shin was physicaly way weaker than Houken. His Body was already f*cked up, got his ribs broken by Houken's first attack and said himself, he doesn't have the strength left anymore to do much. What happens? He clashes with Houken and OVERPOWERS him and land 2 hits on him!!! This happend because Houken couldn't use his full strength with one of his arms, thanks to the duke, and because of the weight Shin was carrying on his shoulders. Shin was in a way worse state than Houken. And he managed to really injure Haouken - he was coughing up blood. You can almost say, Shin almost defeated Houken while having a broken Body...This boost was ridiculous. What powers will Shin reach when he is About 98 str? Getting the ''weight of the General'' boost and he will have around 130 str?
I am not a fan of those anime/manga ass-pull powers. I can accept it, if it is working in a somewhat realistic range and not like it was with Shin vs Houken.
But now remembering this fight, it is highly likely Shin will defeat Houken...
@Shanks
I was mainly Talking About Shin vs Houken. Shin was physicaly way weaker than Houken. His Body was already f*cked up, got his ribs broken by Houken's first attack and said himself, he doesn't have the strength left anymore to do much. What happens? He clashes with Houken and OVERPOWERS him and land 2 hits on him!!! This happend because Houken couldn't use his full strength with one of his arms, thanks to the duke, and because of the weight Shin was carrying on his shoulders. Shin was in a way worse state than Houken. And he managed to really injure Haouken - he was coughing up blood. You can almost say, Shin almost defeated Houken while having a broken Body...This boost was ridiculous. What powers will Shin reach when he is About 98 str? Getting the ''weight of the General'' boost and he will have around 130 str?
I am not a fan of those anime/manga ass-pull powers. I can accept it, if it is working in a somewhat realistic range and not like it was with Shin vs Houken.
But now remembering this fight, it is highly likely Shin will defeat Houken...
Wow! Kyokai fought beyond her limits so that Shin won't fight Houken...... Her breath was so deep that her whole body couldn't handle the stress of her breath...... Glad she was able to injure him...But considering it's Houken may be it's nothing. Seeing Shin getting angry after catching Kyokai was epic.. Countdown starts for him....
Shin has ambition and he has the rage aspect as well as Houken killed Ouki, Kyogai and brutally injured Kyokai too...
I don't remember things exactly but during the battle against Ouki, when Houken fought for revenge, Ouki fought equally with him but once his Martial instincts kicked in and revenge aspect disappeared he started overpowering Ouki but at last Ouki was able to overpower him due to the "weight of a general"
Shin has ambition and he has the rage aspect as well as Houken killed Ouki, Kyogai and brutally injured Kyokai too...
I don't remember things exactly but during the battle against Ouki, when Houken fought for revenge, Ouki fought equally with him but once his Martial instincts kicked in and revenge aspect disappeared he started overpowering Ouki but at last Ouki was able to overpower him due to the "weight of a general"
Can you name a weak character that ever injured him? All the characters to ever injure him are rated 90 and above if I remember correctly.
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Houken lost 2 fingers plus he was stabbed on the forearm. He was also slashed multiple times on the back. The hand injuries, in particular, will surely prevent him from slashing as hard as he would like to. If I was using numbers I would say right now he has a 98 stat. Shin with his 91 stat plus alpha should be able to slay him in an extreme diff battle.
Anyways I love that Hara resolved the Kyoukai Houken confrontation in one chapter. Some other mangaka's (looking at you Oda) would have milked that fight for another 5 chapters
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Houken lost 2 fingers plus he was stabbed on the forearm. He was also slashed multiple times on the back. The hand injuries, in particular, will surely prevent him from slashing as hard as he would like to. If I was using numbers I would say right now he has a 98 stat. Shin with his 91 stat plus alpha should be able to slay him in an extreme diff battle.
Anyways I love that Hara resolved the Kyoukai Houken confrontation in one chapter. Some other mangaka's (looking at you Oda) would have milked that fight for another 5 chapters
I said he was injured by wayyy weaker characters - not saying by weak characters -, well Shin was one of them lol.
90 wow, and Houken has 100. Your Point?
Shin had around 10 str less than Houken, his Body was in a way worse condition than Houken's - and stil could best him, because of the ''weight of the General''...
90 wow, and Houken has 100. Your Point?
Shin had around 10 str less than Houken, his Body was in a way worse condition than Houken's - and stil could best him, because of the ''weight of the General''...
Well, a character with a strength rating of 90 and above is by no means a pushover. I don't think it's possible for Houken to defeat a character rated 90 and above without suffering some minor injuries. Most of the characters rated 90 and over are all great generals or highly acclaimed martial titans.
The old man who looks after Mouten injured Houken but such stuff happens from time to time in manga (ass pull here and there). It's like Luffy injuring Garp in the summit war or him tanking a punch from the fleet admiral
The old man who looks after Mouten injured Houken but such stuff happens from time to time in manga (ass pull here and there). It's like Luffy injuring Garp in the summit war or him tanking a punch from the fleet admiral
Nowhere did i say that they are weak or anything - 90 is stil wayy weaker than a guy with 100... same Thing with someone who is 80 is wayy weaker than a guy with 90...
He already did. He killed easily Geki Shin who had 90 str Points. He was a Great General and it was said, if he remained in Zhao, he very well could have climbed his way up to even one of the Three Great Heavens.
He already did. He killed easily Geki Shin who had 90 str Points. He was a Great General and it was said, if he remained in Zhao, he very well could have climbed his way up to even one of the Three Great Heavens.
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Korean scan Chapter 621: https://manamoa.net/bbs/board.php?bo_table=manga&wr_id=2265365
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Summary thanks to Jeeswag from the kingdom community :
Kyoukai begins by talking to Rokusui saying she has been saving all of her breath for this moment to take down Houken who has come to the end of his path, so it's time to go ito the deepest trance that she's ever been in. Enough to use up the last of her breath. All the other text is her describing the depths of each of her senses. As she gets into the trance she realizes this state has her blood swirling backwards.
She's slicing up Houken and the HSU starts to believe that she can really kill him. Then Houken says to stop joking with him and goes on to say that the god that is in Kyoukai is a fallen god and she isn't the one who holds the answer he seeks. He says that he is the Bushin Houken and they continue their fight.
As they fight Houken grabs her leg and starts smashing her into the ground and the HSU starts yelling "STOP!" The HSU approaches to stop this and Houken throws Kyoukai and Shin catches her.
No Break Next Week!
Kyoukai begins by talking to Rokusui saying she has been saving all of her breath for this moment to take down Houken who has come to the end of his path, so it's time to go ito the deepest trance that she's ever been in. Enough to use up the last of her breath. All the other text is her describing the depths of each of her senses. As she gets into the trance she realizes this state has her blood swirling backwards.
She's slicing up Houken and the HSU starts to believe that she can really kill him. Then Houken says to stop joking with him and goes on to say that the god that is in Kyoukai is a fallen god and she isn't the one who holds the answer he seeks. He says that he is the Bushin Houken and they continue their fight.
As they fight Houken grabs her leg and starts smashing her into the ground and the HSU starts yelling "STOP!" The HSU approaches to stop this and Houken throws Kyoukai and Shin catches her.
No Break Next Week!