Controversial General Political Discussion

[Zenos7]

The hamas is not an obstacle to peace, its just a radicalized group, once the palestinian sees an opportunity for peace with a great figure, they will put themself hamas down.

Naive much

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

I say it how i see it. The only other explanation is there's just retards about, but I'm giving them the benefit of doubt on that end

A good amount of users in this thread that call for peace are among the groups you just villainised

 

[Sekai Saikyō Mihawk]

That's because these geniuses have been following the conflict only since October 7th

And were it not for the white guilt over letting the Holocaust happen (or commiting it, in the case of Germany) the western support for Israel would be halved.

Ironically, by not stopping their agression, they are letting the Holocaust of Palestinians continue for God knows how many years.

I've followed this struggle since I could read, and come from a country that suffered its own genocide 30 years ago. Had family members burned alive in their homes because of their religion.

These Western geniuses all miss one thing - they have never, NEVER, for multiple generations now, known what war feels like. How many wars since WW2 did Americans have on their home soil? The Brits? The French?

The fear born from constant bombardment and concentration camps is nothing more than a Hollywood movie for you, or at best a story from Gramps. But and the hate that fear breeds in people that bombarded and told not to retaliate because "both sides are bad" is something you can't even begin to understand.

Of course they don't know. The nonsense they've been spouting since October 7th, gave that away.

"The palestinians should stop throwing rocks, maybe then the zionists that dehumanise them and have been killing them for 7+ decades, will finally stop."

This is the takes they've been spouting for weeks now lmao. Then they start projecting and gaslighting you, when you don't take their retarded ass takes seriously.


"I'm against violence but hamas attacked first and the palestinians elected them so....but listen im against all violence against civilians okay?"

Only generations of inbreeding could bring about takes like this. I refuse to believe an educated person would ever spout nonsense.

I guess they're frustrated that their crocodile tears and their go to "muh u hate chews...anti-sementiems" crap doesn't work or isn't taken seriously by the common folks anymore.

Zero shame

 

[Okamakama]

A good amount of users in this thread that call for peace are among the groups you just villainised

He aint attacking you, bro. He's just speaking the truth.

 

[Sekai Saikyō Mihawk]

A good amount of users in this thread that call for peace are among the groups you just villainised

Then they're not the ones in question. How's that hard to understand?

But the thing is, people of your ilk often or not exhibit an extreme Muslim bias, and, even more often than not, an Islamic in-group bias. I don't agree with the IDF, nor the Israeli government, but the people (Israeli citizens) are there now, you can't just displace them in some misplaced form of justice. The two-state solution is the only one that solves the humanitarian crisis.

Zionist-hating is a nice little way of excusing their bigotry. No, your constant quoting of 'white supremacy' is a dog whistle, bro. I'm not confused. You're just trying to obfuscate.

Yes I am biased towards children not being murdered by zionists. Gtfoh with your ass crap

 

[Okamakama]

Yes I am biased towards children not being murdered by zionists. Gtfoh with your ass crap

I'm biased against terrorists who murder children. Gtfoh with your ass crap.... wait... we're on the same page.

Hamas is evil.
The IDF is evil.

The Israeli citizens are innocent.
The Palestinian citizens are innocent.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

And were it not for the white guilt over letting the Holocaust happen (or commiting it, in the case of Germany) the western support for Israel would be halved.

Ironically, by not stopping their agression, they are letting the Holocaust of Palestinians continue for God knows how many years.

Holocaust guilt is not white guilt tho but otherwise you are right.
When Germans say 'never again' they never express their aversion against genocide itself.

 

[Zenos7]

athiests/evangelical Christian/zionist (pick your poison)

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Hot take. I think there are good people in both hamas and in the IDF.

While both Hamas and the IDF engage in terrorism(the IDF was created from literal terrorist organizations that existed in mandatory Palestine), I think the nature of conflict is more complicated than just one side being evil.

Ultimately, people are just cogs in larger machines that they have no control over. Both Israelis and Palestinians have grown up in a country perpetually at war and have been groomed from a young age to hate the other side. Whereas for Israelis, service is mandatory, I feel like Gazans might face a similar pressure to support Hamas due to the harsh conditions they are under.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Then they're not the ones in question. How's that hard to understand?

Relax, you just insulted Christians and atheists. Religion is hardly the real issue in this conflict.

 

[Sekai Saikyō Mihawk]

I'm biased against terrorists who murder children. Gtfoh with your ass crap.... wait... we're on the same page.

Hamas is evil.
The IDF is evil.

The Israeli citizens are innocent.
The Palestinian citizens are innocent.

So we're both against the zionists. Good 👍🏾. The day I see actual evidence of Hamas killing civilians, like the zionists have been shown to do, I'll be the first to call them out

 

[Okamakama]

Hot take. I think there are good people in both hamas and in the IDF.

While both Hamas and the IDF engage in terrorism(the IDF was created from literal terrorist organizations that existed in mandatory Palestine), I think the nature of conflict is more complicated than just one side being evil.

Ultimately, people are just cogs in larger machines that they have no control over. Both Israelis and Palestinians have grown up in a country perpetually at war and have been groomed from a young age to hate the other side. Whereas for Israelis, service is mandatory, I feel like Gazans might face a similar pressure to support Hamas due to the harsh conditions they are under.

I could argue there are people who mean well but don't know what they're doing, tbh.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

But I don’t see how people can say that hamas is evil and needs to be eradicated, while being pro IDF. Or even Vice versa.

They both engage in terrorism imo

 

[Okamakama]

So we're both against the zionists. Good 👍🏾. The day I see actual evidence of Hamas killing civilians, like the zionists have been shown to do, I'll be the first to call them out

I'm against the terrorist Muslims and the murderous Israelites. Don't twist my words.

As for footage... they're online. If you cannot accept it as real, then you're a lost cause and likely an extremist.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

I could argue there are people who mean well but don't know what they're doing, tbh.

I think there are people who ideally wouldn’t want to be a part of those organizations, but feel like they need to in order to defend their people

 

[Sekai Saikyō Mihawk]

Relax, you just insulted Christians and atheists. Religion is hardly the real issue in this conflict.

The Christian evangelicals in support of the genocide, yes I've insulted them. Fuck them. The same for the atheists. If that hurts your sensibilities, i promise you I don't give a flying fuck

 

[Okamakama]

I think there are people who ideally wouldn’t want to be a part of those organizations, but feel like they need to in order to defend their people

I can agree with this. Good intention but bad method. The road to hell is paved with good intentions and all that.

The Christian evangelicals in support of the genocide, yes I've insulted them. Fuck them. The same for the atheists. If that hurts your sensibilities, i promise you I don't give a flying fuck

Way to demonize an entire group based on the actions of a few. Muslims argue like this all the time -- but I guess their own bad actors are just misunderstood, or it's just a deepfake!

It's people like you that give Muslims a bad name. People should call out their own bad actors.

 

[Sekai Saikyō Mihawk]

I'm against the terrorist Muslims and the murderous Israelites. Don't twist my words.

As for footage... they're online. If you cannot accept it as real, then you're a lost cause and likely an extremist.

Your words don't need twisting, they're being corrected.

Yes online, nice evidence 👏🏾. Yes me not accepting zionist propaganda online makes me an extremist. Had an inkling that you were slow, but thanks for confirming it 👍🏾

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I can agree with this. Good intention but bad method. The road to hell is paved with good intentions and all that.



Way to demonize an entire group based on the actions of a few. Muslims argue like this all the time -- but I guess their own bad actors are just misunderstood, or it's just a deepfake!

It's people like you that give Muslims a bad name. People should call out their own bad actors.

Not reading any of this crap. It's bound to be yet another slow ass take from you

 

[NikaInParis]

But I don’t see how people can say that hamas is evil and needs to be eradicated, while being pro IDF. Or even Vice versa.

They both engage in terrorism imo

Literally

 

[Okamakama]

Your words don't need twisting, they're being corrected.

Yes online, nice evidence 👏🏾. Yes me not accepting zionist propaganda online makes me an extremist. Had an inkling that you were slow, but thanks for confirming it 👍🏾

Ah yes... because you're on the ground in Palestine right now, seeing it all? Your arguments about propaganda can easily be applied to your own argument.

You can throw out adhominen arguments, but it doesn't make you right. This is the glory of freedom of speech.... I just need to let you make a fool of yourself. If you cannot see your own internal biases, well, shucks.