Controversial General Political Discussion

Logiko

Logiko

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Reborn said:
Yeah yeah we got it bro....

Human nature doesn't exists. Humans aren't good or bad. Only actions are good or bad.



But Trump is Fascist became agenda....

His fans are Fascists enablers - because agenda.....

You apply things as per your agenda.

If anyone question you - "you don't understand"

If anyone else use their reason " you go around lecturing them"


Bro you are walking double standard hypocrite
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Last time and after that I'm ending this discussion since it goes nowhere:

Violence is usually associated with a negative behavior. Yet, people uses violence in legitimized ways all the time. For example, some use violence to fight oppression and it's is the right thing to do because it is the ETHICAL thing to do.

It's the same with labelling. Labels are usually a bad thing, because they tend to essentialize a person to their actions. But it becomes the ETHICAL and thus RIGHT thing to do when this labelling is used to fight oppression. Simply because it's one of the most efficient ways to protect people, bring awareness, defend ourselves and attack oppressors.

The world is complex mate. If you look at it through a moral lens, you are not gonna understand it. Look at it under an ethical lens. By that I mean that you need to understand the context of action before you judge them.

Now, either you start to listen or we move on.
 
Blax Blah

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@Logiko I think you should check out these videos if you want to
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Reborn said:
Yeah yeah we got it bro....

Human nature doesn't exists. Humans aren't good or bad. Only actions are good or bad.



But Trump is Fascist became agenda....

His fans are Fascists enablers - because agenda.....

You apply things as per your agenda.

If anyone question you - "you don't understand"

If anyone else use their reason " you go around lecturing them"


Bro you are walking double standard hypocrite
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Reborn I would like to if you want to talk about what topics we choose together and figure out things about politics together, like for example, what is fascism
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And about human nature this is a quote I think is good:

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Our space is limited, but submit to the same analysis any of the aspects of our social life, and
you will see that the present capitalist, authoritarian system is absolutely inappropriate to a so-
ciety of men so improvident, so rapacious, so egotistic, and so slavish as they are now. Therefore,
when we hear men saying that the Anarchists imagine men much better than they really are,
we merely wonder how intelligent people can repeat that nonsense. Do we not say continually
that the only means of rendering men less rapacious and egotistic, less ambitious and less slav-
ish at the same time, is to eliminate those conditions which favour the growth of egotism and
rapacity, of slavishness and ambition? The only difference between us and those who make the
above objection is this: We do not, like them, exaggerate the inferior instincts of the masses, and
do not complacently shut our eyes to the same bad instincts in the upper classes. We maintain
that both rulers and ruled are spoiled by authority; both exploiters and exploited are spoiled by
exploitation; while our opponents seem to admit that there is a kind of salt of the earth – the
rulers, the employers, the leaders – who, happily enough, prevent those bad men – the ruled, the
exploited, the led – from becoming still worse than they are.
There is the difference, and a very important one. We admit the imperfections of human nature,
but we make no exception for the rulers. They make it, although sometimes unconsciously, and
because we make no such exception, they say that we are dreamers, ‘unpractical men’.
An old quarrel, that quarrel between the ‘practical men’ and the ‘unpractical’, the so-called
Utopists: a quarrel renewed at each proposed change, and always terminating by the total defeat
of those who name themselves practical people"
 
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Logiko

Logiko

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Blax Blah said:
@Logiko I think you should check out these videos if you want to
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Thanks for sharing. I have the channel on standbye for when I have a bit of motivation to watch his work.
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Blax Blah said:
"
Our space is limited, but submit to the same analysis any of the aspects of our social life, and
you will see that the present capitalist, authoritarian system is absolutely inappropriate to a so-
ciety of men so improvident, so rapacious, so egotistic, and so slavish as they are now. Therefore,
when we hear men saying that the Anarchists imagine men much better than they really are,
we merely wonder how intelligent people can repeat that nonsense. Do we not say continually
that the only means of rendering men less rapacious and egotistic, less ambitious and less slav-
ish at the same time, is to eliminate those conditions which favour the growth of egotism and
rapacity, of slavishness and ambition? The only difference between us and those who make the
above objection is this: We do not, like them, exaggerate the inferior instincts of the masses, and
do not complacently shut our eyes to the same bad instincts in the upper classes. We maintain
that both rulers and ruled are spoiled by authority; both exploiters and exploited are spoiled by
exploitation; while our opponents seem to admit that there is a kind of salt of the earth – the
rulers, the employers, the leaders – who, happily enough, prevent those bad men – the ruled, the
exploited, the led – from becoming still worse than they are.
There is the difference, and a very important one. We admit the imperfections of human nature,
but we make no exception for the rulers. They make it, although sometimes unconsciously, and
because we make no such exception, they say that we are dreamers, ‘unpractical men’.
An old quarrel, that quarrel between the ‘practical men’ and the ‘unpractical’, the so-called
Utopists: a quarrel renewed at each proposed change, and always terminating by the total defeat
of those who name themselves practical people"
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While I agree with the general. I don't agree with the usage of the word instinct. Instinct implies a fundamental immuable nature. But our behaviors under toxic systems are not instinct, simply conditionned habits.

While it is true that we all have a part of egoism in us, it's only on the surface level, the rest is a construct. As such, no bad men exist, simply bad behaviors.

That's said, I agree with the statement. And we can observe the last part in this threat. And this is quite ironic in fact.

Because of my rethoric, I've been called - at the same time - a destroyer and an utopist dreamer.
 
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NAMELESS

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CoC: Color of Clowns said:
I've been researching the topic heavily.

There are Advanced Races beyond us on this planet (many of which are native to it) and in other planetary bodies outside our planet.

The evil/misguide Aliens/Advanced Races have run psyops for a long time, trying to make humans fear them, because they operate off of fear. These are the being that truly run the "evil" world governments: they can conceal themselves by hacking out minds with advanced technology to make themselves look like us.

Notice how some politicians/rulers/wealthy people just... don't act right? Not even just non-human, like they're just not part of the program in general? There ya go.

Many of the "battles" in mythology involve these two factions. One is a "good" alliance of Advanced Races (think what Halo turned into with the Elites, and other Covenant Races, and Spartans becoming allies), who want to help us ascend, like other spiritual leaders, Buddha/Christ, did. The other group want to control us using fear, slavery, misinformation. These are the people who corrupt religions and attack saints.

We are all gifted with Free Will, so the good alliance can't force us into anything. It is up to us to choose to work with each other, despite our differences, rather than fall into the fear and judgment we were warned to cast aside.

I've been working hard on trying to pray for the worst people. Even if I don't like them, if they became better, it would make the lives of the people around them better, too.

Why did Angels fall? Because they weren't perfect to begin with. If they were truly perfect, they could never have fallen.

The Aliens/Advance Races/Space Neighbors aren't perfect, and that's the problem.

Even if the Naruto talk-no-jutsu stuff Luffy and protagonists do is annoying, it's the truth. The only way to truly make the world better is accept that anyone can fall, and anyone can be saved. You can't force people to want to be saved, you can only help them when they want to honestly save themselves.

We're waiting for a Superman because we want our heroes to fly, rather than do the hard things, like give medical care to kids who might die even if you put everything you've got into trying to save them.

Christ and Buddha weren't heroes because they wielded giant flaming swords and walked around smiting their enemies.

They were heroes because they chose to help the people no one else would.

We need to help ourselves and each other.

We've tried to correct evil with blades, poison, guns, and bombs long enough. The weaponry we are now producing is capable of erasing our race, not the planet: US. The planet will survive as it has.

The good Advanced Races in the alliance (the Galactic Federation is the name I've seen used but I'm not sure it's accurate) act like Christ/Buddha.

Humanity needs to combat evil with unity, laughter, and kindness. It's why I love Luffy, despite the times he drives me nuts, lol.

I have SIGNIFICANT problems with the Catholic Church, but I appreciate their efforts in recognizing the legitimacy of Alien/non-human races as also being capable of following the messages of those who came before. We all come from the same source.

Try to keep an open mind and open heart going forward, I appreciate you always listening to and respecting my beliefs despite us disagreeing at times, especially since sometimes I'm an asshole regarding religion. Be wary of anyone trying to claim themselves as "Gods" in the coming years. Look for those who act like Christ/Buddha. As Fred Rogers said, "Look for the helpers".

Our hearts are engines and our minds are quantum computers that connect to the entire world beyond our planet, we don't need the cheap tricks of conmen to find paradise. Everything they have to sell us has already corrupted this beautiful Earth. It's time to take it back. Not just as humans, but by recognizing we all come from the same Source, whether people want to call it "God" or not.

We are all made of the same light spiraling around the world.

The coolest stuff I've been researching is about how stars communicate with each other.

The world is so beautiful once you wash away the lies.
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Monkey D Theories said:
Yes the 2023 Israel Hamas war is all I was talking about, learn to read
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The only reason “third world shit holes” are as bad as they are is because the west has installed unfair systems which exploit the labor and resources of those countries. And every time someone from said shit hole countries tried to prevent their country from being exploited, the west literally conspired against those people in order to get their way.
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I don't speak in behalf of other countries, but my country is a shit hole cause we don't have true economic freedom. We are ruled by vile socialists and communists, that bleed us dry with taxes and ruin the economy. Our currency lost about 30% of it's value this past few months due to government printing money and doing other irresponsible shit.
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Ravagerblade said:
Sick fucks.
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This is so cruel. I hope this guy gets what he deserves.
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Blax Blah said:
I'm very happy they get to live well

And about whether the skill is hard or not, some skills are harder, some are easier, but either way the work done in the factory is what produces the value isn't it? Since if no work gets done no value gets produced,
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A skill value is scaled according to demand and offer. Factory workers literally do the easiest jobs(skill wise) and there is plenty of hands available to do those jobs, therefore the pay is lower. Also, demand for such jobs is on decline due to technological and geopolitical reasons world wide. The value is produce by the machines, raw materials, infrastructure and business model. Factory workers are literally expendable. You can fire one and hire another all day long. Pushing a button is literally the most simple action in the whole production process. Workers are literally the weakest link in the chain, i hope you understand it now.
 
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Blax Blah

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NAMELESS said:
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I don't speak in behalf of other countries, but my country is a shit hole cause we don't have true economic freedom. We are ruled by vile socialists and communists, that bleed us dry with taxes and ruin the economy. Our currency lost about 30% of it's value this past few months due to government printing money and doing other irresponsible shit.
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This is so cruel. I hope this guy gets what he deserves.
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A skill value is scaled according to demand and offer. Factory workers literally do the easiest jobs(skill wise) and there is plenty of hands available to do those jobs, therefore the pay is lower. Also, demand for such jobs is on decline due to technological and geopolitical reasons world wide. The value is produce by the machines, raw materials, infrastructure and business model. Factory workers are literally expendable. You can fire one and hire another all day long. Pushing a button is literally the most simple action in the whole production process. Workers are literally the weakest link in the chain, i hope you understand it now.
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In my opinionvworkers are the weakest link in the chain economically/legally speaking, not practically speaking, since workers do everything

Not factory workers specifically, but, workers makw the factory run, workers make sure the electricity works, workers make and program the machines and make sure they work, workers invest the profits the company wants invested unless the capitalist steps in, workers give financial advice to the company, workers analyse the finances, workers distribute the product, workers pack the product, workers design the product, workers sell or make the sales campaign for the product,
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Billions of taxpayer dollars invested in for-profit facilities from Africa to Asia were supposed to improve access to healthcare. But stories of abuses have piled up.

By Gavin Finch, Kendall Taggart, and David Kocieniewski

17 January 2025 at 00:00 EET

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Miracle was struggling to breathe.

The 1-year-old was with her pregnant mother at a maternity clinic when the convulsing started. A midwife tried giving her oxygen, but Miracle clearly needed emergency treatment. So they rushed her to the nearest hospital, a five-minute drive away.

Perched on a hill, behind fences topped with barbed wire, C-Care IHK in Kampala, Uganda, looks like a fortress. Miracle’s mother shuddered as she passed through the gates that September day and saw the landscaped garden and a billboard advertising plastic surgery. “When they see me, they know I don’t have money,” said Hasifa Mwamini, a refugee from the Democratic Republic of Congo. “The hospital is for high-class people.”
 
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NAMELESS

NAMELESS

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Blax Blah said:
In my opinionvworkers are the weakest link in the chain economically/legally speaking, not practically speaking, since workers do everything
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/feat...cial&utm_source=whatsapp&utm_content=business


Billions of taxpayer dollars invested in for-profit facilities from Africa to Asia were supposed to improve access to healthcare. But stories of abuses have piled up.

By Gavin Finch, Kendall Taggart, and David Kocieniewski

17 January 2025 at 00:00 EET

Save

Translate

Miracle was struggling to breathe.

The 1-year-old was with her pregnant mother at a maternity clinic when the convulsing started. A midwife tried giving her oxygen, but Miracle clearly needed emergency treatment. So they rushed her to the nearest hospital, a five-minute drive away.

Perched on a hill, behind fences topped with barbed wire, C-Care IHK in Kampala, Uganda, looks like a fortress. Miracle’s mother shuddered as she passed through the gates that September day and saw the landscaped garden and a billboard advertising plastic surgery. “When they see me, they know I don’t have money,” said Hasifa Mwamini, a refugee from the Democratic Republic of Congo. “The hospital is for high-class people.”
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Bro, workers will literally be replaced by robots. It is already happening in many industries. Workers do all the BANAL stuff. I already explained why they aren't worth much. If you want to go engage using emotion, i will just quite the debate.
 
Blax Blah

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NAMELESS said:
Bro, workers will literally be replaced by robots. It is already happening in many industries. Workers do all the BANAL stuff. I already explained why they aren't worth much. If you want to go engage using emotion,i will just quite the debate.
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Robots made by workers, I edited the message a bit to make clearer what I am reffering to, sorry
 
Blax Blah

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NAMELESS said:
lmfaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Have you seem what a modern production facility looks like? The robots are manufacturing robots :nikalaugh:
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Maybe so, I don't know, I may have an idea of what you are reffering to, but I mean in general those who do the work are those who are paid a wage, I meant to give the example is about workers and proeuction in general, not specifically a factory
 
Mathias

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Cease fire on Gaza and TikTok "ban" both on January 19th aka 24 hours before Trump inauguration must be the best cynical jokes I read this week.

:lulz:

Biden our lord and savior, we'll remember you as the the greatest leader of the west since Churchill :finally:
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If he doesn't undo everything by snapping his fingers. Then I'll cut off my cock and eat it like that one Greyjoy in that famous tv series.
 
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