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Sadly you can't see that you're the one being an asshole, as pointed out by several people. If you can't stand people pointing out the flaws in your logic, stop crying about it and don't come to this thread.
The rest of the world doesn't need Americans to tell them what they can or can't do. A great part of the reason behind Tiktok's ban is about the fact that a lot of Tiktokers make pro-Palestine content.
The rest of the world doesn't need Americans to tell them what they can or can't do. A great part of the reason behind Tiktok's ban is about the fact that a lot of Tiktokers make pro-Palestine content.
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No dude
Me criticizing Hamas for their role in the 2023 war isn’t being an asshole. That is just a perspective on history.
You know exactly what you’re doing when you say shit like this
it’s a personal attack on my religious beliefs of which you tbh know nothing about
And as @Toby D. Dog loves to point out, I’ve criticized Israel quite severely in the past.
Just because I criticize Hamas as well doesn’t mean Im doing a 180.
Me criticizing Hamas for their role in the 2023 war isn’t being an asshole. That is just a perspective on history.
You know exactly what you’re doing when you say shit like this
it’s a personal attack on my religious beliefs of which you tbh know nothing about
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And as @Toby D. Dog loves to point out, I’ve criticized Israel quite severely in the past.
Just because I criticize Hamas as well doesn’t mean Im doing a 180.
I don't think you want to stay something bad. In fact despite what others might think and even if I have a little bit upfront with you I think your hearth is well placed here. I've seen you question zionism and Israel multiple time so I think you can understand.
You need to understand that the war never stopped. For Palestinian it has been going on for more than 70 years. Again. It's not a simple war, it's a genocide in response of people who went too far in the resistance against apartheid.
To give you an example, it would be like if Nazis in the 40' decided to bomb and kill all french if somehow the resistance entered Berlin to kill 1000 civilians and soldiers while kidnapping others in the deep land of France.
The action would be a crime of war and an act of war against oppression, but the response, the genocide following would still be a crime against humanity.
And the war would not have started with the action of the resistance. The war began with the oppression of people and the moment a resistance was formed, it's still going on and it will go on even after this cease fire because Israel is STILL an apartheid state.
You need to understand that the war never stopped. For Palestinian it has been going on for more than 70 years. Again. It's not a simple war, it's a genocide in response of people who went too far in the resistance against apartheid.
To give you an example, it would be like if Nazis in the 40' decided to bomb and kill all french if somehow the resistance entered Berlin to kill 1000 civilians and soldiers while kidnapping others in the deep land of France.
The action would be a crime of war and an act of war against oppression, but the response, the genocide following would still be a crime against humanity.
And the war would not have started with the action of the resistance. The war began with the oppression of people and the moment a resistance was formed, it's still going on and it will go on even after this cease fire because Israel is STILL an apartheid state.
I think Israel and Palestine have been caught in a cycle of radicalization where both sides have become more and more intolerant to the idea of peace and coexistence since like the 2000s.
I think of you look at the polls, 20 years ago both sides were in favor of a 2 state solution whereas now you just had the bloodiest war in Palestinian history.
I think Israel has done much to make the situation worse, colonizing the West Bank and putting in power far right radicals like the Netanyahu administration. But also, I think Hamas has conflicting interests.
Rather than simply acting in their people’s best interest, they are Iran’s proxy’s. The fact of the matter is they are not strong enough to offer any sort of meaningful resistance to Israel’s power save for terrorism. If they were practical, they would just acknowledge this and try to work with Israel while only resisting in instances where they could clearly have something to gain.
but they don’t do this. Their resistance seems more like it’s in the favor of Iran than their own people.
Sure the conflict has been going on for 70 years, but Hamas escalated needlessly and brought nothing but ruin for their people.
And not even with Israel, Hamas doesn’t even have good relations with Egyot
Egypt controls one of their borders and has it tightly sealed because they don’t want Hamas spreading their conflict with Israel over to Egypt.
Stuff like this just makes it hard for me to see Hamas as good faith actors.
I do support some aspects of Palestinian resistance tho. I think the 2018 protests and the flotilla thing were a good way for Gazans to protest Israel’s blockade.
It is horrible that Israel used excessive force and killed those protesters. But at the very least much of those people voluntarily put their lives on the line by showing up to protest. Which is more than can be said for the thousands dead in Gaza as a result of October 7th.
I think of you look at the polls, 20 years ago both sides were in favor of a 2 state solution whereas now you just had the bloodiest war in Palestinian history.
I think Israel has done much to make the situation worse, colonizing the West Bank and putting in power far right radicals like the Netanyahu administration. But also, I think Hamas has conflicting interests.
Rather than simply acting in their people’s best interest, they are Iran’s proxy’s. The fact of the matter is they are not strong enough to offer any sort of meaningful resistance to Israel’s power save for terrorism. If they were practical, they would just acknowledge this and try to work with Israel while only resisting in instances where they could clearly have something to gain.
but they don’t do this. Their resistance seems more like it’s in the favor of Iran than their own people.
Sure the conflict has been going on for 70 years, but Hamas escalated needlessly and brought nothing but ruin for their people.
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And not even with Israel, Hamas doesn’t even have good relations with Egyot
Egypt controls one of their borders and has it tightly sealed because they don’t want Hamas spreading their conflict with Israel over to Egypt.
Stuff like this just makes it hard for me to see Hamas as good faith actors.
I do support some aspects of Palestinian resistance tho. I think the 2018 protests and the flotilla thing were a good way for Gazans to protest Israel’s blockade.
It is horrible that Israel used excessive force and killed those protesters. But at the very least much of those people voluntarily put their lives on the line by showing up to protest. Which is more than can be said for the thousands dead in Gaza as a result of October 7th.
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There are various interpretations of the “chosen people” thing and not all Jews believe it literally means Jews >> non-Jews.
In any case my personal religious beliefs are irrelevant to the topic of this conversation.
it’s not good etiquette to try to attack people on those lines, you are in fact just being rude.
50% of Israeli Jews are non religious
and 25% of Israelis aren’t even Jewish
In any case my personal religious beliefs are irrelevant to the topic of this conversation.
it’s not good etiquette to try to attack people on those lines, you are in fact just being rude.
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50% of Israeli Jews are non religious
and 25% of Israelis aren’t even Jewish
We can't work with a country that is oppressing and colonizing us. You need to understand that. People are put in the streets, killed, raped, abducted, their home destroyed, their lives ruined, by hundreds of thousands.
Resisting is not choice. It's the only way if you don't want your people and loved one potentially lose everything, even their lives.
Israel need to back off from Palestine. It's not a request, it's either that, or the world will turn against them until there is noone to help them.
Resisting is not choice. It's the only way if you don't want your people and loved one potentially lose everything, even their lives.
Israel need to back off from Palestine. It's not a request, it's either that, or the world will turn against them until there is noone to help them.
And it's by design since it's run by a Chinese company, their main goal is to provide a platform for extreme positions that generate controversy and divide the populations of countries they(ccp) want influence over. It's the classic divide and conquer strategy, or to paraphrase an old Chinese proverb, China are watching the fire burn on the other side of the river.
Personality disorders. Anti social disorder, narcissistic disorder, psychopathy. Add unreasonable amounts of money into the mix and this is the result. They don't function normally because they don't see themselves as the same kind of people as everyone else.
Logiko, is it you??
Literally every person from Africa trying to develop African sovereignty gets negged by the US/the West. They still see Africa as their property with they divided among themselves where they can do whatever tf they want. From backing autocratic regimes to curb democracy to assassinations of political leaders to the militarisation and large scale human rights abuses surrounding national parks.
That's what happens when a guy wants to be part of the group.
Yes and that's why strikes are a thing. There should be more strikes, many more.
Logiko, is it you??
Literally every person from Africa trying to develop African sovereignty gets negged by the US/the West. They still see Africa as their property with they divided among themselves where they can do whatever tf they want. From backing autocratic regimes to curb democracy to assassinations of political leaders to the militarisation and large scale human rights abuses surrounding national parks.
That's what happens when a guy wants to be part of the group.
Yes and that's why strikes are a thing. There should be more strikes, many more.
How can you be a Israeli Jew and not be religiosi, hence Jew?
Apart from their religion, they are just semites like palestinian themselves.
It's not like they are a race.
Like, the nation of Israel is founded on the concept of being jewish and nothing else.
Also, part of the jewish credo is to believe themselves to be the chosen people. And religion is completely endorsed by the state as orthodox are subsidised by the state and they have no jobs.
Stop with the bullshit please. Because how can you be jewish without being religious?
Apart from their religion, they are just semites like palestinian themselves.
It's not like they are a race.
Like, the nation of Israel is founded on the concept of being jewish and nothing else.
Also, part of the jewish credo is to believe themselves to be the chosen people. And religion is completely endorsed by the state as orthodox are subsidised by the state and they have no jobs.
Stop with the bullshit please. Because how can you be jewish without being religious?
Judaism is an ethno-religion. Its not just a religious identity
And he was right about different interpretations regarding the chosen people. Some think thats about them having a special type of responsibility towards god, not that they are inherently superior to other ethnic groups.
Though it would be interesting to know how many actually believe themselves to be inherently superior over this
And he was right about different interpretations regarding the chosen people. Some think thats about them having a special type of responsibility towards god, not that they are inherently superior to other ethnic groups.
Though it would be interesting to know how many actually believe themselves to be inherently superior over this
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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sUJrXNCfUrk
This is just an example.
Would this mean everyone is represented by the people spitting on christians? Of course not.
BUT, and there is an interesting but, the people that are spitting on christians are a protected category that is completely subsidised by the governement to just perform religious duties.
It's impossible to separate israeli identity from its jewish identity when laws like this exist.
All the sources to check my statements for factuality.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ing-by-christians-in-jerusalem-sparks-outrage
Further adding to the outrage, Elisha Yered, an ultranationalist settler leader and former adviser to a lawmaker in Netanyahu’s governing coalition, defended the spitters, arguing that spitting at Christian clergy and at churches was an “ancient Jewish custom”.
“Perhaps under the influence of western culture we have somewhat forgotten what Christianity is,” he wrote on X, formerly known as Twitter. “I think millions of Jews who suffered in exile from the Crusades … will never forget.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-ultraorthodox-economy-idUSTRE73D25W20110414/
This is just an example.
Would this mean everyone is represented by the people spitting on christians? Of course not.
BUT, and there is an interesting but, the people that are spitting on christians are a protected category that is completely subsidised by the governement to just perform religious duties.
It's impossible to separate israeli identity from its jewish identity when laws like this exist.
All the sources to check my statements for factuality.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ing-by-christians-in-jerusalem-sparks-outrage
Further adding to the outrage, Elisha Yered, an ultranationalist settler leader and former adviser to a lawmaker in Netanyahu’s governing coalition, defended the spitters, arguing that spitting at Christian clergy and at churches was an “ancient Jewish custom”.
“Perhaps under the influence of western culture we have somewhat forgotten what Christianity is,” he wrote on X, formerly known as Twitter. “I think millions of Jews who suffered in exile from the Crusades … will never forget.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-ultraorthodox-economy-idUSTRE73D25W20110414/
The government doesn't pay priests in the US as far as I know, it's the church itself.
Ok, I am just stating that there could be interpretations, but the same people that have an interpretaion of "i spit on christians and I am right" are subsidised by the state, which implicates taht the government supports this behaviours and way of thinking.
Ok, I am just stating that there could be interpretations, but the same people that have an interpretaion of "i spit on christians and I am right" are subsidised by the state, which implicates taht the government supports this behaviours and way of thinking.