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You think that quoting me one dude that has his own definition of a nation, is supposed to prove that you are somehow right and go against the determination of the people ?
Dude is literally feeding me Israelian propaganda to justify colonization.
Are you even serious mate ?
You know.. You don't have to go search for obscure quotes to justify the actions of people acting like monsters, you can simply say "I don't think that there is a colonization and an oppression" it will have the same impact.
Dude is literally feeding me Israelian propaganda to justify colonization.
Are you even serious mate ?
You know.. You don't have to go search for obscure quotes to justify the actions of people acting like monsters, you can simply say "I don't think that there is a colonization and an oppression" it will have the same impact.
You think that quoting me one dude that has his own definition of a nation, is supposed to prove that you are somehow right and go against the determination of the people ?
Dude is literally feeding me Israelian propaganda to justify colonization.
Are you even serious mate ?
You know.. You don't have to go search for obscure quotes to justify the actions of people acting like monsters, you can simply say "I don't think that there is a colonization and an oppression" it will have the same impact.
Dude is literally feeding me Israelian propaganda to justify colonization.
Are you even serious mate ?
You know.. You don't have to go search for obscure quotes to justify the actions of people acting like monsters, you can simply say "I don't think that there is a colonization and an oppression" it will have the same impact.
Palestine ever being a nation is ahistorical, and a historical palestinian identity is actually something that is argued upon by historian, seeing how "palestine" was more of a semi state of the ottoman which included parts of syria and jordan
Yup, "one" dude.
No, it an historical fact and your propaganda will not change that mate, I'm sorry. Also be careful not to confuse the term nation with the term state. Also, the existence of a nation doesn't necessaraly mean that said Nation was self ruling.
But EVEN if it wasn't the case, which is not, that wouldn't even justify colonization since people were still put out of their homes, killed and systematically oppressed.
The origin of the problem is therefore the British, the UN AND Israel who followed up on the colonization, not Palestinian who fought against the oppression.
No, it an historical fact and your propaganda will not change that mate, I'm sorry. Also be careful not to confuse the term nation with the term state. Also, the existence of a nation doesn't necessaraly mean that said Nation was self ruling.
But EVEN if it wasn't the case, which is not, that wouldn't even justify colonization since people were still put out of their homes, killed and systematically oppressed.
The origin of the problem is therefore the British, the UN AND Israel who followed up on the colonization, not Palestinian who fought against the oppression.
Yeah, a contemporary. You know what historians use to determine the validity of historical events.
You're also one dude. Difference is he was actually in the thick of everything and was a prominent leader. You on the other hand just learned of the I/P conflict the other day.
if it's a historical fact why haven't you provided any proof?
LMAO are you schizophrenic or something?
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I mocked C4N for using this retarded argument and I'll mock you for it too. Just because bad people say water is wet, doesn't mean it isn't true.
You have to have a more nuance base of beliefs other than "bad guys say x bad so x bad"
You're also one dude. Difference is he was actually in the thick of everything and was a prominent leader. You on the other hand just learned of the I/P conflict the other day.
if it's a historical fact why haven't you provided any proof?
LMAO are you schizophrenic or something?
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I mocked C4N for using this retarded argument and I'll mock you for it too. Just because bad people say water is wet, doesn't mean it isn't true.
You have to have a more nuance base of beliefs other than "bad guys say x bad so x bad"
Mate, Historian are not relying only on the quotes of one dude. Time to wake up, reality's calling.
You means 18-20 years ago and taking side since 15 ? Yeah, "the other day", you are ridiculous x)
I'm not the one who has to do it mate. Palestinian are calling themself a nation, so its YOU who need to provide the proof that such didn't existed prior to the colonization. You have the burden of proof mate. It you who is trying to justify colonization here, not me.
As if justifying colonization wasn't bad enough for you, you need to add psychophobia on that..
You means 18-20 years ago and taking side since 15 ? Yeah, "the other day", you are ridiculous x)
I'm not the one who has to do it mate. Palestinian are calling themself a nation, so its YOU who need to provide the proof that such didn't existed prior to the colonization. You have the burden of proof mate. It you who is trying to justify colonization here, not me.
As if justifying colonization wasn't bad enough for you, you need to add psychophobia on that..
actually, they do when the proof is scarce. In this case tho there's more proof an allied arab identity than a palestinian until recently.
your lack of knowledge says otherwise
If modern day palestinians say the moon is made of cheese would you believe them? Show me proof of there being a palestinian identity prior to the fact.
I am psychophobic or whatever the fuck you mean lmao
your lack of knowledge says otherwise
If modern day palestinians say the moon is made of cheese would you believe them? Show me proof of there being a palestinian identity prior to the fact.
I am psychophobic or whatever the fuck you mean lmao
Then you will need more evidences than a quote.
Sayin the guy justifying colonization.. lol
I'm talking about current Palestinian here mate. And yes, if modern day Palestinian are calling themself a nation, they are a nation. Basic principle of autodetermination.
As for the Palestinian nationalism:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_nationalism
yeah ...
Sayin the guy justifying colonization.. lol
I'm talking about current Palestinian here mate. And yes, if modern day Palestinian are calling themself a nation, they are a nation. Basic principle of autodetermination.
As for the Palestinian nationalism:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_nationalism
yeah ...
Yes i literally justify colonization, racism, and genocide.
What else you want to throw around? Psycophobia? I am pro that 100%.
Then why the fuck do you jump into a conversation about historical context? and continue to reply when I make it clear it's about historical palestine?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_nationalism
literally in the second sentence LMAO
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oh gee, it's almost as if it's literally what i've said earlier.
What else you want to throw around? Psycophobia? I am pro that 100%.
Then why the fuck do you jump into a conversation about historical context? and continue to reply when I make it clear it's about historical palestine?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_nationalism
literally in the second sentence LMAO
also
oh gee, it's almost as if it's literally what i've said earlier.
Yes, its not a surprise, don't worry
Because here we are talking about actual Palestinian losing there actual home to an actual colonizing and oppressive crypto fascist regime.
Which doesn't really negate what I said mate.
While you are right, the nationalism rose only in reaction to Zionism, it did rose, which means that by that point, there was a nation colonized.
But in anycase, using that to justify the colonization process and deny the legitimation of the anti-colonial revolt is absolute nonsense.
Because here we are talking about actual Palestinian losing there actual home to an actual colonizing and oppressive crypto fascist regime.
Which doesn't really negate what I said mate.
While you are right, the nationalism rose only in reaction to Zionism, it did rose, which means that by that point, there was a nation colonized.
But in anycase, using that to justify the colonization process and deny the legitimation of the anti-colonial revolt is absolute nonsense.
Russia invaded Ukriane because they didn't want Ukraine to join NATO aka having enemy forces on their borders. American went through the same thing with the Cuban Missle Crisis and almost started a war. Russia says they're fighting Nazis as propaganda.
Israel has been attempting ethnic cleansing of Palestine for almost a century, and Palestine retaliation had been increasing in violence because peaceful methods wasn't working. The Oct 7 is an excuse to claim they're fighting Nazis as propaganda.
Israel has been attempting ethnic cleansing of Palestine for almost a century, and Palestine retaliation had been increasing in violence because peaceful methods wasn't working. The Oct 7 is an excuse to claim they're fighting Nazis as propaganda.
