Controversial General Political Discussion

Mathias

Mathias

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Logiko said:
It shows that we have made progress to fight racism since this is not acceptable today. :)

Also lets see :



I will need reliable sources for all of that. I'm not a Spain specialist, so I won't believe you until there are evidences. Also, a lot of things here are "They did that, but I did not see the impact or the reasons, so they obviously just did that to stay in power"... yeah.. I won't believe this kind of rethoric.



THose guys where close to his ideology, so yes, it logical. They were definitely not leftists.

I think you are confusing defending the elections and defending Maduro. The left do not necessarily defend Maduro.


Its not even Communist, its corrupted from all side. Maduro is trying to implement some leftist things but it seems that even he is corrupted. There are not saint in this arena.



How do you know that ? Do you have proof coming from an international investigation ?

I'm not saying its wrong. But what are the UNDENIABLE evidences ?



I did not say "left is good" I implied that the left was always on the left of the right side and ASIDE from obvious authoritarian gov on the left... the left will always be better than the right on every subjects.



And it still stand. If you are on the right side.. its really not targetting leftist will not be the bright move you think it is. Leftist on the other hand will be much more legitimate to do that.

But I know how to recognize a leftist when I see one. And I didn't see any here.

Again. Like Van, you are making the mistake than because I'm telling you that there are two clear side, you think that I'm telling you that there is no nuance.

This is not the case. Let me show you what I told to Van:



As you can see, two side, a dark and a bright one. BUT with nuance inside of them. And INSIDE those nuance (if you were to zoom in really close) you would find little cluster of color of the other side. Because even in the left, there are rightist biases and in the Right, there are progressive ideas.

My vision of politic.. in reality, in far for complex than you think. Its simply, clearly structured.






And for saying that. Its obvious that you are a [FIND YOUR LABEL HERE] and I'm not proud of you.

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AL sama

AL sama

Red Haired
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Antifa (/ænˈtiːfə, ˈænti(ˌ)fə/) is a left-wing anti-fascist and anti-racist political movement in the United States. It consists of a highly decentralized array of autonomous groups that use nonviolent direct action, incivility, or violence to achieve their aims.[1][2] Antifa political activism includes non-violent methods such as poster and flyer campaigns, mutual aid, speeches, protest marches, and community organizing.[3][4][5] Some who identify as antifa also use tactics involving digital activism, doxing, harassment, physical violence, and property damage. Members of antifa aim to combat far-right extremists, including neo-Nazis and white supremacists.[6]
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from wiki

yeah a pretty peaceful and non violent group I'd say
 
Logiko

Logiko

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AL sama said:
from wiki

yeah a pretty peaceful and non violent group I'd say
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Antifascist are not always peacefull lol

There are not supposed to be. They are the front line of defense against fascists.

You might not know that, but Antifa actually have groups in a lot of important places of the western world where fascists are growing in power. And what they do is called "de la veille et de la dissuasion" in French. In English you would translate that by watch and deterrence.

They work mostly in the shadow and they are the ones who alerts on the creation of far rights groups. And when those groups are making actions (like taking the streets and beating up muslim or black people) Antifascist will go on the front line in the street to face them, sometimes with violence to make them retriet.

Without antifascists, Trump would not be our first sources of concern.
 
Logiko

Logiko

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A good and moral behavior is not always synonym of a peacefull behavior.

When there are oppressions, when some people are threatenning others, when others are being dangerous... A peacefull behavior is not necessarily the solution.

Sometimes.. Fighting is the solution.



 
CoC: Color of Clowns

CoC: Color of Clowns

Living beings objectify. Reality is subjective.
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Adam 🍎 said:
It is a bit insane how in 21st century the right in USA can't find someone better than Trump. Like really?

What happened to the likes of Romney and McCain?
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USA politics used to look like this:

Democrats and Republicans = Work for their constituents, and look after their own business interests.

Now it's this:

Democrats = Sell out to rich people and push horrible old candidates in high positions of power, but also give a lot of the base what they want, and have a lot of people in the party who still care about the country. Was trying to push ANOTHER FAILED OLD PERSON into office, but, finally, the old person in question, Biden, just collapsed fully (like Trump is on the other side), and they had to replace him. Kamala has then saved them from themselves by... not being a crazy ass old white man half the country hates, like Biden and Trump. Literally. Harris just has to NOT BE THOSE TWO and it does so much for so many people's enthusiasm levels.

Republicans = Almost totally sold out to rich people on every level. Anyone who actually respects the Constitution, or Christ, are treated like crap, because people are willing to say whatever it takes to get money and power. Still some good people, but they have to work behind the scenes because if they speak up crazy people will go after them. Like, I always knew the right in the US was willing to sell out Jesus for policy and money, but, this is just ridiculous. These people have no religion, they are literally selling the Bible to try to fundraise for politics. My word.


TLDR: Both parties used to be pretty similar, now both are a mess, but the Republicans are way worse because they lie about everything for the sake of money and power, and the Democrats got lucky Biden got Covid and Trump survived the attempt. The Democrats still suck, and I don't trust them for this, but, MAN, some of the crap I've heard from Republicans in the last few months has actually blown me away. Brainwashing is real, and it's fucking scary. And I don't mean hypno beams or some shit, I just mean the media turning people mad with lies and propaganda. It's so hard for people to figure out what to trust.
 
Logiko

Logiko

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Zenos7 said:
the antifas who use violence and/or want to censor their political opponents are fascists themselves. it is what it is.
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- First, that's not what fascism is.
- Second, censoring/using violence against harmfull ideologies and individuals who have extrem harmfull and oppressive behavior - if said individual are left unchecked - is perfectly legitimate.

To understand why, here are ressources on the nature of Fascism from the Leftist Library :

- [VIDEO] - What is fascism ?
- [RESSOURCE] - A practical guide for understanding and identifying "Ur Fascism" - Umberto Eco's speech - IMPORTANT
 
Bisoromi Bear

Bisoromi Bear

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Zenos7 said:
the antifas who use violence and/or want to censor their political opponents are fascists themselves. it is what it is.

it always depends on the particular antifa group though.
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I used to know this guy who was a neonazi and then became antifa. Very weird energy. You know some people just want to wreck shit, the actual ideology is of secondary importance. There's also neonazis who converted to Islam to become terrorists, same thing.
 
Logiko

Logiko

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Bisoromi Bear said:
I used to know this guy who was a neonazi and then became antifa.
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Yeah. I'm sorry but a sketchy testimony will not be the proof of a demonstration against antifascism. While yes, some people might seek violence. AntiFa are organized with a clear purpose.

Stopping Fascism and far right ideologies.

They mostly act in reaction. For example, the violences in the UK.
 
Bisoromi Bear

Bisoromi Bear

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Logiko said:
Yeah. I'm sorry but a sketchy testimony will not be the proof of a demonstration against antifascism. While yes, some people might seek violence. AntiFa are organized with a clear purpose.

Stopping Fascism and far right ideologies.

They mostly act in reaction. For example, the violences in the UK.
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My point is that to a whole lot of people with too much aggressive energy, the ideology at hand is secondary or even tertiary, as long as joining said group allows them to wreck shit.

Zenos7 said:
lmao. football hooligans are like that too.
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Remember ''Hooligans gegen Salafisten''?
 
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