I'm sorry I didn't understand your point (I was awoken with less than 3 hours of sleeps so I'm a bit lost). I think you are telling me that causes are not relevant with concepts, but I don't really understand the link witht the discussion.
So I will reply to that: In reality, causes do matter with concepts our at least the contextualisation of those concepts is important. When we talk about racism for example, it's just a word and it has many meaning in usual. But it is important to have a sociological approach when we talk about the creation of the word to understand that it is actually very recent.
> Which means, in that example, that racism as a system is actually quite new. Before that, while there were discrimination based on various principles (country, war lost, religion etc.) there was no such thing as a hierarachy of hoomans based on the color of the skin or ethnicities. Which can also help us to understand how to fight racism.
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As for the link with the discussion, I'm sorry, but I think I'm too fuzzy too understand what you meant.
I will clarify this sentence of mine because it can be missinterpretated:
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Yes. Social construct are also part of what we call the "material conditions of our existence". Materiality in the literal sence is not necessarily the determined factor. "
By "material condition of our existence" I meant the material condition that have a power to influence us our descision making and overall life.
They can be :
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Concretes: This is the case for our biology, for the environment with leave in, the people we met
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Semi abstract: This would be the case for the capital we own, that can exist in concrete and abstract form.
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Abstract: This is the case of a structure like an ideology for ex
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Systemic: This would be the case for capitalism or patriarchy.
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I'm sure someone define that much better than me, but I don't have the volition to do research this morning so it will have to do.)
In other words, the concept of materiality in "material conditions of our existence" here is a way to solidify the notion that we are influence by many things, abstract, systemic or concrete, but all of those have a real material and physical impact on us and will change us as we are structured and transformed by those conditions..
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Which means that by changing all those things, we also change behaviors.
Let's take a simple ex: This forum
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https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/a-last-stand-a-new-system-to-promote-positivity.59457/
I propose the structural changes for more positivity to be developped on this forum. This idea is simple : I don't want to force anyone to adopt a more positive behavior BUT I wanted people to adopt this behavior by themselves in response to the changes in the system.
So while I demanded for the moderation to be a little bit more present and informed on important questions such as transphobia, in reality you will see that a lot of the propositions here were made to please us as users and to canalize the negativity toward a specific point.
For example, I proposed the creation of new tags like the "moderation choice". This would be a thread, pinned on top of others and chosen by the moderation.
As you can see here, the idea is not to force, but to create a path for the behavior to evolve toward a specific type of change (more positivity) rather than another (toxicity). The structure of the forum is the reason why people are so toxic (for the reasons evocked in the thread, and it's not a particularity only of this forum) so by making structural change, you could make people adopt naturally more positive behaviors.
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This is an example of many that behavior can be changed through systems changes.
When we adapt this thinking to fight oppressive systems (such as patriarchy or capitalism) we understand that in reality, greed, hyper individualism, sexism or Egoism, are just the product of a conditionning related to those systems not necessarily individual behavior problems or a bad state of the human nature.
So to fight those system, we must fight to structurally change them.
It's completely on topic. I would even say, it's the hearth of the political discussion.