Controversial General Political Discussion

[Adamxero]

I got it, it was a bad one. I know the difference, I'm talking not just about fascism but nazism as well.



Indeed.

In the case of jews, we are not only talking about fascism but ETHNOCENTRISM. When I say that zionist are Nazi, I meant are using the nazi practice (ethnocentrism) to perpetuate a system of domination. For zionists, the problems are the arabs while for white supremacist, the problems are both arabs AND jews.

Zionists can accomodate with white supremacists to perpetuate their imperialism, but they will eventually understand how bad it is to befriend neonazis sympathizers.



Lmao. You really don't know what real leftism is, do ya ?



Why would I be wrong when my argumentation is supported by sciences, researchers and renowned antifascists activists ?

You are the one bringing a testimony against the word of a scholar. I've nothing to question here. I'm wrong sometimes yes. But contrary to you, I can see when it's the case and I'm not afraid to say it.

Prove me that Musk does not have ties with the far right, prove to me the information of him supporting the AFD (a neonazi friendly party) is wrong, prove me that the information of him supporting fascistic rethoric and unbanning neonazi from twitter is wrong... and maybe I will start to listen to you.

Behaviors do not appear in a vaccum, they are the result of a sociology. And in the case of Musk this gesture is but the confirmation of all the hypothesis we had about him looking at his entire history with far right activism. Again, the conclusion that Musk is willingly appealing to neonazi here is not based on his gesture only, but on his entire sociology.

I can see that, you can't. It's not my job to question myself here, but yours.

I don't have to prove to you someone doesn't have ties to a far right organisation that's not how it works and it's exactly the whole point of why you think the way you do.

People have to be proven to be guilty before they are guilty. You would have it the other way around which shows your fascist idealogy.

Prove you didn't commit the crime and you won't go to jail rather than prove you committed the crime then you will go to jail. Simple concept.

You can never admit you're wrong Carrot4Nakama during the next nakama thread you showed that. I and many others here seen that you have precedent for this behaviour and when proven wrong you don't question your own idealogy you blame and use demonising insults to try take a morally superior ground but everyone can see through you.

A testimony of a WW2 holocaust survivor who actually survived a fascist dictator isn't good enough for you yet those who have never lived under fascism is. Speaks volumes of you to be fair.

 

[Uncle Van]

It would take hours to define all of those with precision and I don't have that time nor the motivation. If you thing is dictionnaries, you will never get what I'm saying.



Nice strawman



I don't assume, I imagine. I don't know but your cynism does not come from nowhere, we are not born with it.



"Our" as in "us human"



We are on a weeb forum discussing a manga with a political center story. So yeah, I'm sorry if I find this affirmation really funny

The refusal or the undermining of the politicization of the masses through culture is one of the reason why I consider you as a political opponent since it's the same behavior that adopt people who want to protect the status co.



It's not an assumption but an observation. You do seem to have biases against social studies, if it wasn't the case, you would agree with the majority of what i'm saying on this forum and would not try to undermine my words constantly on diverse subjects.



Thus confirming what I'm saying literally in the message above. There is no dialogue possible since there is a refusal of a certain form of knowledge from your part.



There is no such thing as "official sources" mate. There are studies, researchers and then there are the encyclopedia, the data sources and vulgarizers than spread them. You will find all of that all around the web, not just in one place. Especially since the scientific field is a very fruitfull domain.

This ideas that somehow I'm push to accept only the science that fit my agenda is blinding you. I wish I could show you how many time the scientific process of learning about scientific datas in social studies made me unconfortable.

I mean, you only have to take a look at the notion of orientalism in the context of post colonialism to understand how the entire mainstream media field is influenced by colonial after thoughts. It was not a very pleasant self questionning at first..

I'm not only "caring about sources that validates my political agenda", it's the SOURCES that CREATES the political agenda.

It's crazy how how don't get that yet. For me it's not politic then science. It's science THEN politic (at the exception of the cases where we need to indeed question the biases in sciences). It's science that influences leftism. Simply because we are materialists for the most part (cases like Blax are an exception) and materialists care about the reality of the world. We want to be sure that our knowledge gets as close as possible from what the social world is.

And yes, it happens than Sciences shows us very clearly a world with systems oppressions and with dynamics of dominations and thus, it also implies a world where all of those can simply be absent.

It's not my fault if science shows us that humans are the result of the material condition of theirexistence. It's a simple logical consequence of the reality of our universe.

So once again saying the fault lies upon me and everyone else for not agreeing with all of your "truths." Crazy how you never seem to be at fault.

 

[Roo]

that was afros point you werent getting though?


hating jews is an integral part of nazism, if you didnt notice.

i thought you understand that not all fascists are nazis?

also, im leaning more towards elons gesture being a nazi salute. just among all the "points" people have raised against that idea, that picture i quoted above is the only one i think is somewhat legit.

your brainrot is showing

He’s making his own definition of established words like always.

language means nothing to him

 

[Adamxero]

So once again saying the fault lies upon me and everyone else for not agreeing with all of your "truths." Crazy how you never seem to be at fault.

Van we both know this is how it is with Carrot4Nakama.

It's like when he had all the essays on how Oda is writing the story and we should read them otherwise we'd all be wrong on how Oda will proceed with the story.

 

[Logiko]

I don't have to prove to you someone doesn't have ties to a far right organisation that's not how it works and it's exactly the whole point of why you think the way you do.

People have to be proven to be guilty before they are guilty. You would have it the other way around which shows your fascist idealogy.

Prove you didn't commit the crime and you won't go to jail rather than prove you committed the crime then you will go to jail. Simple concept.

You can never admit you're wrong Carrot4Nakama during the next nakama thread you showed that. I and many others here seen that you have precedent for this behaviour and when proven wrong you don't question your own idealogy you blame and use demonising insults to try take a morally superior ground but everyone can see through you.

A testimony of a WW2 holocaust survivor who actually survived a fascist dictator isn't good enough for you yet those who have never lived under fascism is. Speaks volumes of you to be fair.

Yeah, it's useless to discuss

So once again saying the fault lies upon me and everyone else for not agreeing with all of your "truths." Crazy how you never seem to be at fault.

He’s making his own definition of established words like always.

language means nothing to him

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"The more the problem was analysed, the sillier the solutions became"

 

[Roo]

^ signs of a narcissist btw

 

[Daniel]

^ signs of a narcissist btw

Don’t forget the signs of a professional virtue-signaler as well.

It’s becoming tiresome to deal with him constantly acting holier-than-thou compared to everyone else in this thread, all because of his supposed opinions and his ability to write long texts that most of us don’t even bother to read fully.

 

[Zenos7]

Indeed.

In the case of jews, we are not only talking about fascism but ETHNOCENTRISM. When I say that zionist are Nazi, I meant are using the nazi practice (ethnocentrism) to perpetuate a system of domination. For zionists, the problems are the arabs while for white supremacist, the problems are both arabs AND jews.

Zionists can accomodate with white supremacists to perpetuate their imperialism, but they will eventually understand how bad it is to befriend neonazis sympathizers.

so they arent actual nazis and you conveniently ignored what i said about not defending shit.

you are full of shit my dude.
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I got it, it was a bad one. I know the difference, I'm talking not just about fascism but nazism as well.

it was a bad one but you used it yourself?

bro, wtf are you talking about.

 

[Blax Blah]

https://www.reddit.com/r/comics/s/6aAlo2iN5V

 

[Zenos7]

He’s making his own definition of established words like always.

ye lmao.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/comics/s/6aAlo2iN5V

so whats up with the video you wanted to share?

 

[Uncle Van]

Don’t forget the signs of a professional virtue-signaler as well.

It’s becoming tiresome to deal with him constantly acting holier-than-thou compared to everyone else in this thread, all because of his supposed opinions and his ability to write long texts that most of us don’t even bother to read fully.

I have a bad habit of wasting time with him because I tend to forget and move on, but being reminded of certain situations with him helps bring me back and lose all interests. I don't feel like typing it all out right now so I'll just link 2 posts of mine in those situations. Y'all can read the comment chain and judge for yourselves.

You literally just used someone's daughter as a weapon to call them shameful and morally compromised. The more you post, the more you prove how little you actually care about people. As expected of someone who "boohoo" about high suicide rates.

No genius. It's called treating them like people and arguing properly. You couldn't convince people of left wing policy, but I could with even the same talking points.



For example, you say workers rights are leftist/socialist. Right wingers tell you to fuck off, but I could convince them that worker's rights are indeed socialistic. You dont have to be right wing or ideologically similar to conservatism to do that.



Once again, you're making up excuses for your inability to debate.

 

[Daniel]

The sheer number of smear threads targeting Trump, Elon Musk, and the January 6 individuals who were freed after years of being locked up in abhorrent conditions on r/politics is unreal.

That place isn’t even trying to hide its blatant attempts at psychologically manipulating its members and readers into adopting a specific set of political beliefs and behaviors anymore.

The constant flood of smear threads against Trump, Elon Musk, and anyone leaning conservative (which get downvoted to oblivion) is very much the same as the tactics used in totalitarian societies or communities. Dissenting voices are silenced, opposing perspectives are demonized, and conformity to a specific ideology is enforced through relentless propaganda.

Here I thought r/politics was meant to cater to people from all sides of the political spectrum 🙄

 

[Blax Blah]

ye lmao.
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so whats up with the video you wanted to share?

I mention it because Uncle Van said secondthought is a channel to watch for leftist videos

This is a video from a communalist responding to secondthought's pro authoritarian state video

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Secondthought is definetly leftist but what he proposes, leninism, is very very very very very very bad

And his videos against libertarian socialism, as in stateless socialism, have a lot of misinformation

 

[Ravagerblade]

The sheer number of smear threads targeting Trump, Elon Musk, and the January 6 individuals who were freed after years of being locked up in abhorrent conditions on r/politics is unreal.

That place isn’t even trying to hide its blatant attempts at psychologically manipulating its members and readers into adopting a specific set of political beliefs and behaviors anymore.

The constant flood of smear threads against Trump, Elon Musk, and anyone leaning conservative (which get downvoted to oblivion) is very much the same as the tactics used in totalitarian societies or communities. Dissenting voices are silenced, opposing perspectives are demonized, and conformity to a specific ideology is enforced through relentless propaganda.

Here I thought r/politics was meant to cater to people from all sides of the political spectrum 🙄

Biden pardoned actually murderers too but the Media is fixated on making these people to be the 2nd coming of Satan himself etc.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

The sheer number of smear threads targeting Trump, Elon Musk, and the January 6 individuals who were freed after years of being locked up in abhorrent conditions on r/politics is unreal.

That place isn’t even trying to hide its blatant attempts at psychologically manipulating its members and readers into adopting a specific set of political beliefs and behaviors anymore.

The constant flood of smear threads against Trump, Elon Musk, and anyone leaning conservative (which get downvoted to oblivion) is very much the same as the tactics used in totalitarian societies or communities. Dissenting voices are silenced, opposing perspectives are demonized, and conformity to a specific ideology is enforced through relentless propaganda.

Here I thought r/politics was meant to cater to people from all sides of the political spectrum 🙄

U see Trump passing executive orders getting rid of protections against discrimination in the workplace place and trying to get rid of birthright citizenship. But you think getting downvoted on Reddit is equivalent to living in a totalitarian society?

you people are a fucking joke.

 

[Uncle Van]

The sheer number of smear threads targeting Trump, Elon Musk, and the January 6 individuals who were freed after years of being locked up in abhorrent conditions on r/politics is unreal.

That place isn’t even trying to hide its blatant attempts at psychologically manipulating its members and readers into adopting a specific set of political beliefs and behaviors anymore.

The constant flood of smear threads against Trump, Elon Musk, and anyone leaning conservative (which get downvoted to oblivion) is very much the same as the tactics used in totalitarian societies or communities. Dissenting voices are silenced, opposing perspectives are demonized, and conformity to a specific ideology is enforced through relentless propaganda.

Here I thought r/politics was meant to cater to people from all sides of the political spectrum 🙄

At the same time, Trump has passed executive orders allowing federal workers to be fired for speaking out against him. He also issued punishments for everyone who stood against him during his trails. There's also Twitter and Facebook blocking more anti-Trump posts. Hell...even r/conservatives is a right echo chamber.

It goes both ways.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

At the same time, Trump has passed executive orders allowing federal workers to be fired for speaking out against him. He also issued punishments for everyone who stood against him during his trails. There's also Twitter and Facebook blocking more anti-Trump posts. Hell...even r/conservatives is a right echo chamber.

It goes both ways.

Don’t feed into his delusions. Who cares what Reddit says when we’re actually getting destroyed with executive orders rn?

 

[kyejames316]

Biden pardoned actually murderers too but the Media is fixated on making these people to be the 2nd coming of Satan himself etc.

Revelation 13 predicted that Trump is actually the Beast and Elon Musk is the second Beast. Making them out to be Satanic is right on.

 

[Ravagerblade]

Revelation 13 predicted that Trump is actually the Beast and Elon Musk is the second Beast. Making them out to be Satanic is right on.

 

[Logiko]

so they arent actual nazis and you conveniently ignored what i said about not defending shit.

you are full of shit my dude.

And you can't read. End of discussion.

I have a bad habit of wasting time with him because I tend to forget and move on, but being reminded of certain situations with him helps bring me back and lose all interests. I don't feel like typing it all out right now so I'll just link 2 posts of mine in those situations. Y'all can read the comment chain and judge for yourselves.

Which was wrong as always. No daughter was used to attack but the vision of women those Trump enablers pushed on their relatives without understanding the gravity of the situation. Things that - as always - you failed to understand.

You can't help but lie or deform reality & I'm actually mentally exchausted and there is a the limit of the gaslighting and confusionnism I can face.

I'm done with you for tonight and I'm done with you period. I will do my best not to reply to your BS from now on.

Buy yourself a political compass.