Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

Sorry If I sound a bit alarming. But it feels like the first time wasn't enough. So I'm a little scared that you guys are still looking at the situation as if its some kind of convergence of bad people...

.. and not a convergeance of bad agenda.

Not only do I understand all that, I’ve said as much multiple times in this thread and offline, I know he’s a fucking fascist…and as a Jew whose grandparents survived the Holocaust, I am acutely aware of the tactics they used during that period, as well as how they’re being implemented in this country right now. A rotten fish certainly stinks from the head, but that doesn’t mean the scales aren’t contributing to the stench; they’re ALL culpable and complicit, but we shouldn’t split hairs on whether or not Donnie’s intelligent when it is patently obvious he isn’t, the people behind him are, which is admittedly much more dangerous!!

No. An ignorant is not more dangerous than a man with bad intent who knows what they are doing. I'm sorry if it comes as paternalist, but underestimating Trump will hinder any anti-fascist progress... as I explained, the state of sideration will prevent you from thinking ahead.

Things will get worse... and worse.. and worse. The wheel of fascism might not be stopped by a reelection. You might get very lucky, but this is unlikely now.

Think beyond.

 

[Mathias]

@Logiko you just have a different definition of what intelligence means.
No one is denying where the US is heading

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Not only do I understand all that, I’ve said as much multiple times in this thread and offline, I know he’s a fucking fascist…and as a Jew whose grandparents survived the Holocaust, I am acutely aware of the tactics they used during that period, as well as how they’re being implemented in this country right now. A rotten fish certainly stinks from the head, but that doesn’t mean the scales aren’t contributing to the stench; they’re ALL culpable and complicit, but we shouldn’t split hairs on whether or not Donnie’s intelligent when it is patently obvious he isn’t, the people behind him are, which is admittedly much more dangerous!!

He might suffer from cognitive decline in the last years but to attribute EVERYTHING he ever did during his campaigns and while in office wouldn't be clever.
Trump is a shrewd piece of shit.

 

[Logiko]

@Logiko you just have a different definition of what intelligence means.
No one is denying where the US is heading

Look at how Trump has adapted his language pattern to assert his domination. This clew alone should be enough to stop underestimating his wolf factor.

 

[Mathias]

Look at how Trump has adapted his language pattern to assert his domination. This clew alone should be enough to stop underestimating his wolf factor.

And no one really underestimates the threat either. History isn't already written though. The fall of the US democracy isn't unavoidable.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

We shoukd bring back the roman empire

Okay TAC

 

[Mathias]

We shoukd bring back the roman empire

Gotcha Mussolini !

 

[Jew D. Boy]

He might suffer from cognitive decline in the last years but to attribute EVERYTHING he ever did during his campaigns and while in office wouldn't be clever.
Trump is a shrewd piece of shit.

Sorry, I’m just not willing to believe the bullshit; yes, he’s carefully crafted his persona because he’s had decades to refine it and fashion himself as a brilliant businessman, but the cracks are so easy to see without looking too hard. Like I said, he’s always had more clever people behind him and those quasi-Rasputins have always told him how he should operate, which really started with his daddy and continued onwards through all those cronies I mentioned a few posts ago.

 

[Ravagerblade]

You stupid commie. Do you want famine through your continent ? Billions will die if you don't work everyday ! The weekend was granted to us by God himself ! This is the only reason why it works.

I think a happier, well rested not overworked population would do better in the long run, but that's my opinion.
5 day work week may have worked in the past, but it's outdated in many ways/areas.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

I think a happier, well rested not overworked population would do better in the long run, but that's my opinion

Nit only your opinion but a well attested fact proven by countless studies

 

[Logiko]

And no one really underestimates the threat either. History isn't already written though. The fall of the US democracy isn't unavoidable.

Yeah we do. Antifascist are called antifascist for a reason. Historian, antifa, activist, we all understand how this world could somber toward a global fascist paradigm.

I'm not telling that history is done. I'm explaining that with the current mindset of thinking that Trump is just a pedophile reactionnary goof who do not understand what he is doing... there is no chance for counter politics and actions to be effective.

If you underestimate an enemy that is 3 time stronger than you, you have no chance. Even if his strenght is only his advisers.

Sorry, I’m just not willing to believe the bullshit; yes, he’s carefully crafted his persona because he’s had decades to refine it and fashion himself as a brilliant businessman, but the cracks are so easy to see without looking too hard. Like I said, he’s always had more clever people behind him and those quasi-Rasputins have always told him how he should operate, which really started with his daddy and continued onwards through all those cronies I mentioned a few posts ago.

Well.. good luck then. I Hope you guys will manage to counter him.

I think a happier, well rested not overworked population would do better in the long run, but that's my opinion.

I love this marxist side of yours. Please, keep it going!

 

[Mathias]

Yeah we do. Antifascist are called antifascist for a reason. Historian, antifa, activist, we all understand how this world could somber toward a global fascist paradigm.

I'm not telling that history is done. I'm explaining that with the current mindset of thinking that Trump is just a pedophile reactionnary goof who do not understand what he is doing... there is no chance for counter politics and actions to be effective.

If you underestimate an enemy that is 3 time stronger than you, you have no chance. Even if his strenght is only his advisers.

I really fail to see where I underestimate him.

I also said that his first term had no plan, AND that this time he has one. But you mix up everything that has been said.

He is dangerous, not intelligent.

 

[Logiko]

I really fail to see where I underestimate him.

I also said that his first term had no plan, AND that this time he has one. But you mix up everything that has been said.

He is dangerous, not intelligent.

- Expecting an ignorant reactionnary to make mistake pushes us to have a specific strategy.
- Expecting a smart fascist to make certain politics will pushes us to adopt a different one.

The entire difference between our mindset and yours is that we have a clearer idea of what he will do next. Not only because he follows the step of project 25, but because we understand (rather some people much more knowledgable than me) understand how capitalism shapes fascism and work with the different system of domination.

- When some will wait for him to apply the next project 25 bullet points of his advisers, others will be already preparing for the moment when he will start to fire on opponents, not just to prevent crime but to shut down any opposition.
- When some will be trying to fight the next anticonstitutionnal laws that he is making, other will be already peparing for armed fighting and start to devopp underground networks of communication to fight back against his future milicias.

> Taking Trump for a fool implies a vision of his reign as a glitch in the capitalist system.
> Taking Trump for who he really is implies the understanding that the guy is a PERFECT product of capitalism and white supremacy.

Yes, you are underestimating Trump. But I'm also telling you that you are underestimating fascism and capitalism as well.

I'm not trying to scare people to create a sideration, but to wake up your politicization so you can spread the word sooner than later.

This is not a glitch. This is not a moron in power. This is capitalism at work.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Yeah we do. Antifascist are called antifascist for a reason. Historian, antifa, activist, we all understand how this world could somber toward a global fascist paradigm.

I'm not telling that history is done. I'm explaining that with the current mindset of thinking that Trump is just a pedophile reactionnary goof who do not understand what he is doing... there is no chance for counter politics and actions to be effective.

If you underestimate an enemy that is 3 time stronger than you, you have no chance. Even if his strenght is only his advisers.



Well.. good luck then. I Hope you guys will manage to counter him.



I love this marxist side of yours. Please, keep it going!

What’s the difference, really? Whether he’s smart or not, the results are the same, so why do we have to quibble over the motivation? He does imbecilic and highly dangerous things every 30 seconds, so whichever of our opinions is correct is immaterial, this shit is happening either way. The reason why there’s no chance for countering him is that we only have two parties, and both of them profit by keeping him in charge - Republicans get all the tax breaks and relaxed regulations their shriveled black hearts can handle, and Democrats get to keep fundraising for “the resistance” without taking any real actions against his administration. If we had an actual opposition force in either the judicial or legislative branches, this nightmare would have been wrapped up in early 2017, so I’m not willing to give him credit for supposedly running the table when nobody else in power is making a play to stop him.

 

[Reborn]

Trump is not playing any 4D chess. This guy is just dumb.

He can't even keep conversation he has with leaders a secret. His statements are getting crazier day by day.

But yes...he's definitely a narcissist but a dumb one.

 

[Logiko]

What’s the difference, really? Whether he’s smart or not, the results are the same, so why do we have to quibble over the motivation? He does imbecilic and highly dangerous things every 30 seconds, so whichever of our opinions is correct is immaterial, this shit is happening either way. The reason why there’s no chance for countering him is that we only have two parties, and both of them profit by keeping him in charge - Republicans get all the tax breaks and relaxed regulations their shriveled black hearts can handle, and Democrats get to keep fundraising for “the resistance” without taking any real actions against his administration. If we had an actual opposition force in either the judicial or legislative branches, this nightmare would have been wrapped up in early 2017, so I’m not willing to give him credit for supposedly running the table when nobody else in power is making a play to stop him.

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There is the difference:

- Expecting an ignorant reactionnary to make mistake pushes us to have a specific strategy.
- Expecting a smart fascist to make certain politics will pushes us to adopt a different one.

The entire difference between our mindset and yours is that we have a clearer idea of what he will do next. Not only because he follows the step of project 25, but because we understand (rather some people much more knowledgable than me) understand how capitalism shapes fascism and work with the different system of domination.

- When some will wait for him to apply the next project 25 bullet points of his advisers, others will be already preparing for the moment when he will start to fire on opponents, not just to prevent crime but to shut down any opposition.
- When some will be trying to fight the next anticonstitutionnal laws that he is making, other will be already peparing for armed fighting and start to devopp underground networks of communication to fight back against his future milicias.

> Taking Trump for a fool implies a vision of his reign as a glitch in the capitalist system.
> Taking Trump for who he really is implies the understanding that the guy is a PERFECT product of capitalism and white supremacy.

Yes, you are underestimating Trump. But I'm also telling you that you are underestimating fascism and capitalism as well.

I'm not trying to scare people to create a sideration, but to wake up your politicization so you can spread the word sooner than later.

This is not a glitch. This is not a moron in power. This is capitalism at work.

Trump is not playing any 4D chess. This guy is just dumb.

He can't even keep conversation he has with leaders a secret. His statements are getting crazier day by day.

But yes...he's definitely a narcissist but a dumb one.

There is no 3D chess. Trump is not playing some mind tricks or superior game that we somehow have to figure out. Trump is a product of capitalism and white supremacy. And in these aspects, he is doing exactly what capitalism and White Supremacy can do on steroids.

I'm telling you guys that nothing that Trump will do is unknown or somehow mysterious. We know what he will do, we know where these politics are heading and we know that him and his governement have to be taken very seriously if we (or rather, US citizen in this case) want to fight him with efficiency. We just don't know the extent and the damage that it will cause.

There is no 3D chess, it's a race to stop him before its REALLY too late.

 

[Reborn]

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There is the difference:



There is no 3D chess. Trump is not playing some mind tricks or superior game that we somehow have to figure out. Trump is a product of capitalism and white supremacy. And in these aspects, he is doing exactly what capitalism and White Supremacy can do on steroids.

I'm telling you guys that nothing that Trump will do is unknown or somehow mysterious. We know what he will do, we know where these politics are heading and we know that him and his governement have to be taken very seriously if we (or rather, US citizen in this case) want to fight him with efficiency. We just don't know the extent and the damage that it will cause.

There is no 3D chess, it's a race to stop him before its REALLY too late.

We already have vague idea about where USA is heading and the World is doing whatever they can. From leaders to people - everyone is gradually refusing to bend the knee.

People out of their own accord are refusing to travel to USA for tourism, they are gradually reducing their export to US and diversifying options. Leaders are striking deals with each other and even refusing to pick Trump calls or even attend deal negotiation.

Boycott USA is literally the trending sentiment right now across the World


However, Trump regardless of his stupidity is still the president of USA. World has to factor in the future dynamics with USA after Trump term ends.


This isn't 1930's world anymore - Economy takes priority over anything in this deeply linked, multi -polar globalised world.

Even US citizens and media are doing whatever they can......

 

[Ravagerblade]

https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinfuriating/s/HL4XG3PKCE
For the record, Shame on McDonald's.
This I am not ok with, if this is real.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinfuriating/s/HL4XG3PKCE
For the record, Shame on McDonald's.
This I am not ok with, if this is real.

Dammit, we’re simpatico again…this shit happened at Taco Bell too, the quesadillas shrank in size as it grew in price

 

[Logiko]

We already have vague idea about where USA is heading and the World is doing whatever they can. From leaders to people - everyone is gradually refusing to bend the knee.

People out of their own accord are refusing to travel to USA for tourism, they are gradually reducing their export to US and diversifying options. Leaders are striking deals with each other and even refusing to pick Trump calls or even attend deal negotiation.

Boycott USA is literally the trending sentiment right now across the World


However, Trump regardless of his stupidity is still the president of USA. World has to factor in the future dynamics with USA after Trump term ends.


This isn't 1930's world anymore - Economy takes priority over anything in this deeply linked, multi -polar globalised world.

Even US citizens and media are doing whatever they can......

Things can get so much worse.