Controversial General Political Discussion

[NAMELESS]

Good.



Minorities ?

We have TWO political party that are ok with those guy. We have a minister of interior (security) that literally says the exact same shit. Just 2 month ago, the guy raided a train station just to put many many many people without citizenship permits in something worse than prison. Nothing different from what is happening in the US right now OR under the Petain governement during the Vichy era and the occupation of Nazi in France (against jews)

This is not just random or just partial, this is something BIG that is everywhere in the west. Because people like Kirk have worked for more than 20 years to riled up lonely men and confused women to fight everything that is slightly progressive.

What do you guy thought I meant when I said that fascism is rising in occident and that we should be very careful here not to let it spread?



Do you know what are the concretes effects of the invisibilization of the genocide and the lack of social outrage against the genocide for the people of Gaza at the moment.

Little hint:

Ok, if real, a prime minister saying shit like that is very concerning. Can you link stuff here with english subtitles?

 

[HerreraIsBack]

"He wasn't a left wing lunatic. There are no terrorism attacks made by the left. Hitler wasn't initially alligned with Soviet Union"

 

[Etzel Andergast]

@NAMELESS @Mathias @HerreraIsBack @Bisoromi Bear @Toby D. Dog @Logiko
my father opinion about brazil democracy and politics:

Brazilian democracy doesn’t really works. Most political parties use public funds to buy votes from poor communities, keeping them stuck in a system of dependency. Last year, it’s estimated that at least a quarter of the national vote was bought this way.
Organized crime has deep ties across all branches of government, managing to place allies inside Congress, the courts, law enforcement. No major party has any real interest in dismantling the slums or tackling organized crime.
The country is really really poor, plagued by violence, hostile to entrepreneurs, stagnant economically, and its education system is a disaster.
In 2027, there won’t be enough money in the federal budget to pay for the social welfare program that supports low-income families, retirees, and public employees

Lula’s party was behind the two biggest corruption scandals in Brazil’s history, and it looks like a third one is on the way. Bolsonaro pretended to be a political outsider, but he’s nothing more than a lapdog of Brazil’s political elite and even tried to pull off a laughable coup attempt (yes Bolsonaro is a coup-monger).
All administrations are really really bad, doesnt matter if the administration is from the left or from the right.
And the judiciary is taking advantage of the situation to govern the country, undermining the balance of the 3 powers

 

[AL sama]

So if someone’s dead we have to pretend they weren’t groomers?

It’s not mocking. It’s a warning. The far right is trying to use the fact he’s dead to pretend he was not a virulent racist or sexist, just a kind debater.

He hosted tpusa “women’s leadership summits” where he told teen girls who wanted to be leaders that the only thing that will bring them fulfillment is skipping education and marrying (and submitting to) a man for immediate summary childmaking; and a Christian one in particular. You’re allowed to be Christian, but it doesn’t make you NOT a groomer for trying to get kids ready to fuck a Christian man once they’re legal. What is the world coming to where we can’t call this shit out because someone’s dead? I didnt kill him, as much as I’m sure people like @NAMELESS would argue the evil left all banded together for it.

It’s not mocking to say it. It’s sober analysis of a man who’s dead. Should we instead lionize everyone who dies and pretend they’re not what they were?

He was in the midst of deflecting from defending the propaganda he was spreading about the trans menace, and it’s not mocking to say that. It’s the fact of the matter.

I m not gonna impose my moral beliefs onto anyone so nope you don't need to pretend anything

I was showing morals vary

 

[HerreraIsBack]

Brazilian democracy doesn’t really works. Most political parties use public funds to buy votes from poor communities, keeping them stuck in a system of dependency. Last year, it’s estimated that at least a quarter of the national vote was bought this way.
Organized crime has deep ties across all branches of government, managing to place allies inside Congress, the courts, law enforcement. No major party has any real interest in dismantling the slums or tackling organized crime.
The country is really really poor, plagued by violence, hostile to entrepreneurs, stagnant economically, and its education system is a disaster.
In 2027, there won’t be enough money in the federal budget to pay for the social welfare program that supports low-income families, retirees, and public employees

Yup. One big thing about Brazil "democracy" is that you can't go to elections without a party. So everyone must bow down to parties leaders in order to have a seat at politics. And those leaders are pretty much the ones who control everything.

Lula’s party was behind the two biggest corruption scandals in Brazil’s history, and it looks like a third one is on the way. Bolsonaro pretended to be a political outsider, but he’s nothing more than a lapdog of Brazil’s political elite and even tried to pull off a laughable coup attempt (yes Bolsonaro is a coup-monger).
All administrations are really really bad, doesnt matter if the administration is from the left or from the right.
The judiciary is taking advantage of the situation to govern the country, undermining the balance of the 3 powers

The said coup is right there to anyone observe. There was no coup. Bolsonaro did absolutely nothing like that. He admitted his lost at elections. Did the transiction. Left the power. He wasn't even in Brazil during the said "coup" day. This notion of your dad is pretty much corrupted by what the foreign media receives and reproduces about Brazil.

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for example I don't think it's morally right to mock the dead but you seem to be fine with it

Even Hitler? And a better question, is there only morally right and morally wrong or there is a morally neutral?

 

[Ravagerblade]

 

[AL sama]

Even Hitler? And a better question, is there only morally right and morally wrong or there is a morally neutral?

to me it's more like everyone has their own version of morality

however society hoes by majority rules

 

[eamonpro]

Wha happened to my epic roast

 

[HerreraIsBack]

to me it's more like everyone has their own version morality

however society hoes by majority rules

I'm questioning yours

 

[AL sama]

I'm questioning yours

would I mock Hitler or not?? yes I would but that's an exception

in general I don't mock the dead

 

[HerreraIsBack]

would I mock Hitler or not?? yes I would but that's an exception

in general I don't mock the dead

And why Hitler makes the exception?

 

[AL sama]

And why Hitler makes the exception?

I consider him bad

where are you going with this??

 

[Ravagerblade]

And why Hitler makes the exception?

Hitler is Objectively bad.

 

[Logiko]

 

[AL sama]

I consider him bad

where are you going with this??

bad as in worst of the worst

 

[AL sama]

Hitler is Objectively bad.

it's subjective as morality itself isn't objective

 

[Uncle Van]

A little reset(also for me to copy paste when needed)

Leftism, are ideologies advocating for social equality, cooperation, and egalitarianism, often by reducing or abolishing perceived unjustified inequalities in wealth, status, and power.

●Tackling inequality is the #1 goal of leftism.
● Leftism isn't really dependent on the type of nation; as long as inequality exists, or is believed to exist, trying to change that is leftism.

Right-wing, are ideologies that advocate for preserving or supports existing traditions and institutions, and individualism and free markets.

● Upholding or returning to traditional core values is the #1 goal of the right wing aka keeping the status quo
● Right wingers are very dependent on traditions and core values of the nation they live in. What is the status quo of that nation?

In America, the traditional values are heavily rooted in:

-Anti-racial equality
-Anti-gender equality
-Anti-LGBTQ
-Anti-immigration
-Pro Christianity
-Pro Capitalism
-Pro Guns
-Pro Life
-Patriotism
-Nationalism
-Militarism
-Anti-socialism

This is the reason the far right is heavily associated with being racist, sexist, homophobic, and xenophobic. This is the reason fighting for equality of anything mentioned above was leftism. Barely 60 years ago was blatant racial, sexual, and religious discrimination completely legal.

However, does this mean the right wingers/conservatives are inherently evil? Not really. Many of them believe that all the inequality was at the very least, mostly corrected. They believe that America has already achieved at the very least, very passable levels of equality, and that the left are actually trying to make things unequal with their narcissism. They believe that the frantic victimhood shown by certain portions of the left and liberal movement would in fact make things go backwards. Some genuinely believe that they are conserving the equal rights we all currently have.

 

[NAMELESS]

I consider him bad

where are you going with this??

I have been scolded by priests for saying that Hitler should be in hell. Their argument: "What if he repented?" They are right. God's mercy and love is supposedly so great that it is scandalous. I wonder how many "monsters" are actually in Paradise. Mind you, God forgives but he doesn't let's you get away with sin, there are consequences for everything

 

[Ravagerblade]

it's subjective as morality itself isn't objective

Subjective implies it's opinion. Objectively, is that it's fact.
That's how I was learned.
Morals are Subjective, yes. But as a Person and what he had lead, is Objectively Bad. You can debate on whether initially he meant well for Germany, but what came after...

 

[HerreraIsBack]

I consider him bad

where are you going with this??

My point is exactly that. People are trying to say it is imoral to cheer for someone's else dead when they cheer themselves too.

The real problem is not exactly cheering someone dead but putting the person at the same level as Hitler.

Let's imagine no one in the world would say is a bad thing to cheer about Hitler being killed. And that's the moral of cheering about someone's death, the person needs to be as bad as Hitler. The problem here is putting someone who did nothing but having different ideas at the same level as Hitler.

That without saying the amount of hipocrisy of those people who claims to defend diversity and different opinions, religions etc.