Controversial General Political Discussion

[eamonpro]

My point is exactly that. People are trying to say it is imoral to cheer for someone's else dead when they cheer themselves too.

The real problem is not exactly cheering someone dead but putting the person at the same level as Hitler.

Let's imagine no one in the world would say is a bad thing to cheer about Hitler being killed. And that's the moral of cheering about someone's death, the person needs to be as bad as Hitler. The problem here is putting someone who did nothing but having different ideas at the same level as Hitler.

That without saying the amount of hipocrisy of those people who claims to defend diversity and different opinions, religions etc.

Why does someone need to be as bad as hitler for me to not le cry over their death

 

[Reborn]

Government of Nepal blocks social media.
People burn Parliament.

Government of Türkiye jails everyone that isn't them and gives hellish inflation of money to the whole country.
People worship Erdogan more.

Social media ban was just the trigger.

Real problems were corruption and nepotism.

And, this is becoming more of a trend in South Asia and S-E Asia...youth taking charge against the government.

Recently, we have seen this in Bangladesh. In S-E Asia, you have seen people waving Straw hat jolly roger

I do agree with @LANJI CUCKSMOKE . Gen Z generation is built different. Their upbringing is getting influenced by social media platforms and a sense of independence and freedom.

 

[NAMELESS]

Can we all subjectively agree that Hitler was an asshole and move on?

 

[HerreraIsBack]

Why does someone need to be as bad as hitler for me to not le cry over their death

Not cry is different from cheering.

And I just said that to give an example.

There are bunch of people not bad as Hitler that I WILL cheer WHEN they die and will cheer even MORE if they die from non-natural causes. I'm just pointing out the hipocrisy of the people complaning about it.

Again the real problem is thinking Charlie Kirk is someone "worth" cheering for his death because of his ideas only. The real problem is this notion that words "hurts" and in sometimes "hurts" even more than actions.

 

[NAMELESS]

Yup. One big thing about Brazil "democracy" is that you can't go to elections without a party. So everyone must bow down to parties leaders in order to have a seat at politics. And those leaders are pretty much the ones who control everything.


The said coup is right there to anyone observe. There was no coup. Bolsonaro did absolutely nothing like that. He admitted his lost at elections. Did the transiction. Left the power. He wasn't even in Brazil during the said "coup" day. This notion of your dad is pretty much corrupted by what the foreign media receives and reproduces about Brazil.

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Even Hitler? And a better question, is there only morally right and morally wrong or there is a morally neutral?

He is wrong about Bolsonaro, but right about the rest. Don't blame old timers, the media is a master of deception. They made an entire plot fictional coup to justify this crime against democracy that was this trial. They are good novelists after all. Creating narratives is their bread and butter.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

-Pro Life

It's pro birth and anti abortion
Calling it pro life is majorly misleading

I have been scolded by priests for saying that Hitler should be in hell. Their argument: "What if he repented?".They are right. God's mercy and lvoe is supposedly so great that it is scandalous. I wonder how many "monsters" are actually in Paradise. mind you, God forgive's but he doesn't let's you get away with sin, there are consequences for everything

Holy hell
What a crazy bunch

 

[AL sama]

I have been scolded by priests for saying that Hitler should be in hell. Their argument: "What if he repented?".They are right. God's mercy and lvoe is supposedly so great that it is scandalous. I wonder how many "monsters" are actually in Paradise. mind you, God forgive's but he doesn't let's you get away with sin, there are consequences for everything

no offense to anyone but every religion is full of hypocrisy when it comes to this aspect

 

[NAMELESS]

no offense to anyone but every religion is full of hypocrisy when it comes to this aspect

I agree.

 

[Reborn]

Sadly, This is not possible as this would depoliticize the problem. Fandoms, by their nature, are massive reactionnary factories. There needs to be a counter power inside of the fandom and outside of the content itself.



Sadly my condition enters in conflict with that point. But it's indeed a real good solution. Although it doesn't negate the need for this forum to have a strong anti-fascist counter power.



Interesting and you are right. This is mostly why I use my experience as a way to convey message. It's much more telling than if I talk about some random person people don't know.

But the result is the fact that people believe I'm egotistical, which is true in a sense, as it is a protection mechanism to survive my situation and to keep myself afloat, but it's not as strong as people make it to be here.



You are right. This is also why I came back with a much less conflictual mindset than before.

I consider that it's useless to force knowledge and instead I'm trying to find common grounds. Even tho, it still requieres a lot of explaination a lot of times.

There are things I know that simply can't be shared without acting like a teacher; it's sad, but it's inevitable. (I tried giving ressources first if you recall, there is an entire thread without explanation, just a bunch a ressources with bullet points)... but it's ignored completely even tho it could be massively helpfull for people to understand a lot of stuff.

It's either I try to explain and reach out.... or I let people do harm without reacting. Now, you are right on communication, this is something I struggle with and I need to improve. Sadly I was never trained to speak to an audience, or to explain stuff, so I lack the basics. (also I deeply believe I'm kind of on the very lower end of the spectre of autism if I'm being honest, which doesn't help me at all, I've noticed a few problems with social interactions overall)

And so.. I'm asking respectfully ask to you all.

@HerreraIsBack @NAMELESS @Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier @Mathias @Blax Blah @Z-Saber @Ravagerblade @Monkey D Theories @Jew D. Boy @Gaimon The Pirate @Uncle Van @AL sama and others i forgot...

Please.. just for the next few posts, consider that I don't wish you any harm or irrespect. If I appear a bit condescending, instead of trying to tell me that I have a big ego, point the sentence that makes you tick. If there is indeed better ways to talk and express myself, I want to understand them and it's obviously something I'm not able to understand by myself.

If I can show you what I mean by "change" , maybe you will see what I'm trying to convey here.

Good to hear this and I hope you will work on it.

Also, "talk less, speak more".. I hope you are getting what I am trying to say here.

 

[Logiko]

Hitler is Objectively bad.

And yet, he made beautiful paintings...

A little reset(also for me to copy paste when needed)

Leftism, are ideologies advocating for social equality, cooperation, and egalitarianism, often by reducing or abolishing perceived unjustified inequalities in wealth, status, and power.

●Tackling inequality is the #1 goal of leftism.
● Leftism isn't really dependent on the type of nation; as long as inequality exists, or is believed to exist, trying to change that is leftism.

Right-wing, are ideologies that advocate for preserving or supports existing traditions and institutions, and individualism and free markets.

● Upholding or returning to traditional core values is the #1 goal of the right wing aka keeping the status quo
● Right wingers are very dependent on traditions and core values of the nation they live in. What is the status quo of that nation?

In America, the traditional values are heavily rooted in:

-Anti-racial equality
-Anti-gender equality
-Anti-LGBTQ
-Anti-immigration
-Pro Christianity
-Pro Capitalism
-Pro Guns
-Pro Life
-Patriotism
-Nationalism
-Militarism
-Anti-socialism

This is the reason the far right is heavily associated with being racist, sexist, homophobic, and xenophobic. This is the reason fighting for equality of anything mentioned above was leftism. Barely 60 years ago was blatant racial, sexual, and religious discrimination completely legal.

However, does this mean the right wingers/conservatives are inherently evil? Not really. Many of them believe that all the inequality was at the very least, mostly corrected. They believe that America has already achieved at the very least, very passable levels of equality, and that the left are actually trying to make things unequal with their narcissism. They believe that the frantic victimhood shown by certain portions of the left and liberal movement would in fact make things go backwards. Some genuinely believe that they are conserving the equal rights we all currently have.

-----

Do you believe them tho?

 

[AL sama]

My point is exactly that. People are trying to say it is imoral to cheer for someone's else dead when they cheer themselves too.

The real problem is not exactly cheering someone dead but putting the person at the same level as Hitler.

Let's imagine no one in the world would say is a bad thing to cheer about Hitler being killed. And that's the moral of cheering about someone's death, the person needs to be as bad as Hitler. The problem here is putting someone who did nothing but having different ideas at the same level as Hitler.

That without saying the amount of hipocrisy of those people who claims to defend diversity and different opinions, religions etc.

I see your point

 

[Logiko]

Also, "talk less, speak more".. I hope you are getting what I am trying to say here.

I got it

 

[HerreraIsBack]

I have been scolded by priests for saying that Hitler should be in hell. Their argument: "What if he repented?".They are right. God's mercy and lvoe is supposedly so great that it is scandalous. I wonder how many "monsters" are actually in Paradise. mind you, God forgive's but he doesn't let's you get away with sin, there are consequences for everything

Did Hitler did any kill himself or just ordered others to do it?

I don't believe bible says anything about that

 

[Reborn]

A little reset(also for me to copy paste when needed)

Leftism, are ideologies advocating for social equality, cooperation, and egalitarianism, often by reducing or abolishing perceived unjustified inequalities in wealth, status, and power.

●Tackling inequality is the #1 goal of leftism.
● Leftism isn't really dependent on the type of nation; as long as inequality exists, or is believed to exist, trying to change that is leftism.

Right-wing, are ideologies that advocate for preserving or supports existing traditions and institutions, and individualism and free markets.

● Upholding or returning to traditional core values is the #1 goal of the right wing aka keeping the status quo
● Right wingers are very dependent on traditions and core values of the nation they live in. What is the status quo of that nation?

In America, the traditional values are heavily rooted in:

-Anti-racial equality
-Anti-gender equality
-Anti-LGBTQ
-Anti-immigration
-Pro Christianity
-Pro Capitalism
-Pro Guns
-Pro Life
-Patriotism
-Nationalism
-Militarism
-Anti-socialism

This is the reason the far right is heavily associated with being racist, sexist, homophobic, and xenophobic. This is the reason fighting for equality of anything mentioned above was leftism. Barely 60 years ago was blatant racial, sexual, and religious discrimination completely legal.

However, does this mean the right wingers/conservatives are inherently evil? Not really. Many of them believe that all the inequality was at the very least, mostly corrected. They believe that America has already achieved at the very least, very passable levels of equality, and that the left are actually trying to make things unequal with their narcissism. They believe that the frantic victimhood shown by certain portions of the left and liberal movement would in fact make things go backwards. Some genuinely believe that they are conserving the equal rights we all currently have.

Tldr

 

[NAMELESS]

Not cry is different from cheering.

And I just said that to give an example.

There are bunch of people not bad as Hitler that I WILL cheer WHEN they die and will cheer even MORE if they die from non-natural causes. I'm just pointing out the hipocrisy of the people complaning about it.

Again the real problem is thinking Charlie Kirk is someone "worth" cheering for his death because of his ideas only. The real problem is this notion that words "hurts" and in sometimes "hurts" even more than actions.

Let's get real. Words do have power for good and bad. It's easy to say words don't hurt when you are harassed 24/7 by people you are forced to tolerate for whatever reason. The left has the bad habit of exaggerating stuff, and the right does the opposite. I don't think Americans should tolerate speeches that say "blacks and people of color" are dumber and more violent.

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Did Hitler did any kill himself or just ordered others to do it?

I don't believe bible says anything about that

Nobody knows actually. Supposedly he shot himself with a .380 walther pistol.

 

[eamonpro]

Not cry is different from cheering.

And I just said that to give an example.

There are bunch of people not bad as Hitler that I WILL cheer WHEN they die and will cheer even MORE if they die from non-natural causes. I'm just pointing out the hipocrisy of the people complaning about it.

Again the real problem is thinking Charlie Kirk is someone "worth" cheering for his death because of his ideas only. The real problem is this notion that words "hurts" and in sometimes "hurts" even more than actions.

If the problem is the notion that words hurt why is everyone crying about the left being so mean

 

[NAMELESS]

If the problem is the notion that words hurt why is everyone crying about the left being so mean

More like pointing out the hipocrisy that the left is all about love.

 

[Logiko]

The left has the bad habit of exaggerating stuff

I thought so too for a long time.... Not anymore. In fact, most of the left is underestimating the problem. So much that it's starting to scare me.

Again the real problem is thinking Charlie Kirk is someone "worth" cheering for his death because of his ideas only. The real problem is this notion that words "hurts" and in sometimes "hurts" even more than actions.

It's not about his ideas. It was never about that. That's what I'm killing myself trying to make you understand

It's about the impact of his words.

 

[AL sama]

Subjective implies it's opinion. Objectively, is that it's fact.
That's how I was learned.
Morals are Subjective, yes. But as a Person and what he had lead, is Objectively Bad. You can debate on whether initially he meant well for Germany, but what came after...

many people still view him as a hero

 

[eamonpro]

More like pointing out the hipocrisy that the left is all about love.

so much for le tolerant left :DDDDD