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Nah not quite. I'm just pretty cynical. My life philosophy is that "human beings don't operate by what is right and wrong, but by what is convenient. They will do and say anything to reach that convenient outcome, whether it's obtaining materials, avoiding consequences, and/or validating their beliefs and actions. It is important to not let yourself be taken advantage of, so that you can reach your own convenient outcome" This mindset is mainly cause I was military and a cop, and regularly see the worst of humans. Emotional detachment is pretty much the only way to keep pushing with a smile.
As for the Punpun example, no I actually get emotionally attached to the characters and relate lol. Fiction is about escapism for a reason
As for the Punpun example, no I actually get emotionally attached to the characters and relate lol. Fiction is about escapism for a reason
Thanks for the answers.
Based on the definitions above, there are certainly fascist developments all around the world, though I don´t know how real and representative what you see online actually is...
Regarding socialism/communism, essentially, a communist nation was never achieved since every example was stuck in a socialist state and the centralization of power in a one party system? If that´s true, do you think communism on a nation level is actually achievable or is it just a utopian fantasy? I know that on a much smaller basis, it was actually implemented, e.g., a few villages and small towns in Germany, France and Spain but it seems like one a much bigger scale, the centralization of power becomes too great?
And regarding socialism/fascism, while the ideology is seemingly different, are the real world implications not similar in terms of government, control and the erasure of individualism?
Based on the definitions above, there are certainly fascist developments all around the world, though I don´t know how real and representative what you see online actually is...
Regarding socialism/communism, essentially, a communist nation was never achieved since every example was stuck in a socialist state and the centralization of power in a one party system? If that´s true, do you think communism on a nation level is actually achievable or is it just a utopian fantasy? I know that on a much smaller basis, it was actually implemented, e.g., a few villages and small towns in Germany, France and Spain but it seems like one a much bigger scale, the centralization of power becomes too great?
And regarding socialism/fascism, while the ideology is seemingly different, are the real world implications not similar in terms of government, control and the erasure of individualism?
Yeah sorry, it's my fault. I do that... I jump subject and sometimes bypass ideas because it makes sense in my head but I lose my audience
What I forgot to tell you is that it was one of the reason why I thought the good VS evil was a bad debate. I prefer to talk about ethics >> and there is why I said that I'm sure a lot of people are ethically pushing your country toward progress.
While I do agree that there are stupid leftist much more than before now. Like you said, I think there are apolitical morons who do dumb stuff... I still think you are listening too much to what conservative are lying about.
There are exemple in here that triggers an alarm for me. It feel like real thing transformed by reactionnaries to make a point in their stupid newspapers.
Appropriation by the far right has always been a thing. If I laugh about Kirk’s death for ex, the right will inevitably use it to portray me as heartless. Same if a dumb leftist make a dumb action....
AND I think this exactly why we disagree on moderation
I think the same way people made you hang on those fake BS about dumb leftists, legitimate or not, people gaslighted you into thinking stuff like saying "tranny" is just fun game when in reality, if a trans person a little fragile comes here and see that:
- First they will leave
- Second they could have a very bad time. (No joke, I recently saw a testimony of people reporting the suicide of a trans woman because she was missgendered by fascists)
We can’t operate based on their moral panics and reappropriations... or we will eat ourselves
It can be hard. I suggest watching cat video from time to times to destress a little. (or having a cat, it works too
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When I deal with a dilemma I always resort to some kind of ethics: "Is a potential (life) really more important than the rights or the well being of my partner ?"
Or maybe.. it's a wrong question. Maybe I have no place in that dilemma, after all, it's their body.
What I forgot to tell you is that it was one of the reason why I thought the good VS evil was a bad debate. I prefer to talk about ethics >> and there is why I said that I'm sure a lot of people are ethically pushing your country toward progress.
While I do agree that there are stupid leftist much more than before now. Like you said, I think there are apolitical morons who do dumb stuff... I still think you are listening too much to what conservative are lying about.
There are exemple in here that triggers an alarm for me. It feel like real thing transformed by reactionnaries to make a point in their stupid newspapers.
Appropriation by the far right has always been a thing. If I laugh about Kirk’s death for ex, the right will inevitably use it to portray me as heartless. Same if a dumb leftist make a dumb action....
AND I think this exactly why we disagree on moderation
I think the same way people made you hang on those fake BS about dumb leftists, legitimate or not, people gaslighted you into thinking stuff like saying "tranny" is just fun game when in reality, if a trans person a little fragile comes here and see that:
- First they will leave
- Second they could have a very bad time. (No joke, I recently saw a testimony of people reporting the suicide of a trans woman because she was missgendered by fascists)
We can’t operate based on their moral panics and reappropriations... or we will eat ourselves
It can be hard. I suggest watching cat video from time to times to destress a little. (or having a cat, it works too
)When I deal with a dilemma I always resort to some kind of ethics: "Is a potential (life) really more important than the rights or the well being of my partner ?"
Or maybe.. it's a wrong question. Maybe I have no place in that dilemma, after all, it's their body.
First, fear of not being enough. Well I know what to do regarding this
Second, Emotional turbulence from external sources around me. Earlier, I used to either escape or deflect and feed on instant gratification such as chatting, trolling or youtube scrolling.
But I realized this isn't serving my vision in any productive way. Furthermore, these things are making me dependent on other things to cope.
I need to learn to self - regulate my emotions, that is detachment to such level that nothing bothers me....no irritation, no anger, no derailment, no attachment and no disturbance
It's not about I want to care less, but care wisely.
But this in itself is challenging. So, yes it's an issue. More so, when I am more emotional type.
Communism can't really be applied locally, the risk of capitalism and other system of exploitations recreating forms of dominations is too risky since their grasp is international.
Anarchism is a little bit different since it works it way up instead of down like communism. So it could theoritically be applied to a nation and spread... maybe??
I think the best is to arrive to a world wide global awareness step by step first. But I'm not yet a communist nor an anarchist, maybe it's not the best strat. But it's definitely possible.
I don't think I'm underestimating the system if I say that the moment we achieve that, our human civilisation will jump the equivalent of 1000 years within one century.
Leftist utopias do not aim to the erase individuality. On the contrary. When we talk about the end of private property, it's only for monopolies. (big owners of means of productions) Not individuals
Fascism on the other hand pushes people to lose themselves in the system to a point of being eaten by it (a little look at the second season of Andor will make you understand) The power is concentrated to those are are considered the "heroes" & "worthy", under the system of white supremacy, it will be basically every person that are:
- Rich
- White
- Men
Fascism is highly capitalistic, so it will always consider the interest of the bourgoisie first. Poor people will be slowly racialized and targeted by the system.
As such, leftism and fascism systems are natural ennemies.
Anarchism is a little bit different since it works it way up instead of down like communism. So it could theoritically be applied to a nation and spread... maybe??
I think the best is to arrive to a world wide global awareness step by step first. But I'm not yet a communist nor an anarchist, maybe it's not the best strat. But it's definitely possible.
I don't think I'm underestimating the system if I say that the moment we achieve that, our human civilisation will jump the equivalent of 1000 years within one century.
Leftist utopias do not aim to the erase individuality. On the contrary. When we talk about the end of private property, it's only for monopolies. (big owners of means of productions) Not individuals
Fascism on the other hand pushes people to lose themselves in the system to a point of being eaten by it (a little look at the second season of Andor will make you understand) The power is concentrated to those are are considered the "heroes" & "worthy", under the system of white supremacy, it will be basically every person that are:
- Rich
- White
- Men
Fascism is highly capitalistic, so it will always consider the interest of the bourgoisie first. Poor people will be slowly racialized and targeted by the system.
As such, leftism and fascism systems are natural ennemies.
You mean from the perspective of a universal class struggle?
Sure, I get that, but at least I think I am looking at it more from the egalitarian perspective, I can see it working on a small scale but on a grand scale, at least the real world examples so far seem to always forget what the goal is.
Are you talking about what fascism actually turns out to be or the characteristics in theory?
I get that in theory leftist utopias might not strive to erase individuality but in reality, they did though, right?
Maybe I might be wrong but I do not see the consistency in judging fascism what it really turned out to be vs what its proponents said it would be, with Italy and Germany being the most extreme examples, but judging socialism what it aspires to in theory but actually never did on a nation level?
Sure, I get that, but at least I think I am looking at it more from the egalitarian perspective, I can see it working on a small scale but on a grand scale, at least the real world examples so far seem to always forget what the goal is.
Are you talking about what fascism actually turns out to be or the characteristics in theory?
I get that in theory leftist utopias might not strive to erase individuality but in reality, they did though, right?
Maybe I might be wrong but I do not see the consistency in judging fascism what it really turned out to be vs what its proponents said it would be, with Italy and Germany being the most extreme examples, but judging socialism what it aspires to in theory but actually never did on a nation level?
