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I can’t believe I haven’t posted this here yet - I was in my supervisor’s office right after Charlie kicked it, and she was telling me how upset she and her husband were about it and how she felt bad for his wife and kids…and then she said, verbatim and unprompted, “As much as I want to kill Fauci (mispronounced as “Faw-see”) and Biden, they probably have grandkids who love them and would be said if they died”
I think this perfectly encapsulates what we’ve all been saying: right-wing assholes suffer from cognitive dissonance so severe, they’ll demand empathy in literally the same exact breath they use to invoke violence against anyone they don’t like. This was a mother of four telling a coworker that she wanted to kill two people immediately after one died, how are you supposed to have a rational conversation with someone that deranged??
I think this perfectly encapsulates what we’ve all been saying: right-wing assholes suffer from cognitive dissonance so severe, they’ll demand empathy in literally the same exact breath they use to invoke violence against anyone they don’t like. This was a mother of four telling a coworker that she wanted to kill two people immediately after one died, how are you supposed to have a rational conversation with someone that deranged??
This just shows that every category of humans is full of nutjobs
I wouldn’t say “Islam is the sword that’s slitting the throat of America” is just being constructively critical of the belief system, man…it’s really hard to justify that as an acceptable thing to say in polite society. If he provided any sort of nuanced argument about why he doesn’t support their ideology instead of just saying the cruelest shit that springs to mind, then maybe I’d give it a pass, but that’s definitely not what happened there.
This is just straight “whataboutism,” and we’re demanding empathy for entire swathes of vulnerable communities, not some dipshit bigot who profited off of violence and fearmongering, pretty different things in my eyes. I do agree that people on both sides can be nutjobs, I just see significantly more of them on the right than the left, clearly others disagree based on their own experiences
This is just straight “whataboutism,” and we’re demanding empathy for entire swathes of vulnerable communities, not some dipshit bigot who profited off of violence and fearmongering, pretty different things in my eyes. I do agree that people on both sides can be nutjobs, I just see significantly more of them on the right than the left, clearly others disagree based on their own experiences
No. It completely sublims my point. This is what you are not getting and why I can't consider you an ally.
I KNOW I have racist biases and sexist bias... you are denying yours. Therefore your rethoric will ALWAYS reflect that denial. And people will be alienated by your word.
Again:
Oda explained it poetically through Fishmen Island.
Hody is not mad at human because of some terrible past, or prejudice, he is the LAST line of hatred before reconstruction.
He is devoided of reason and substance in his fight...
Why ?
Because he is a simple product of his environement.
Hody became hatefull of humans not because of legitimate hate, but because the residual hate of fishmen made him who he was. This hate was clueless, without purpose, so he became a simple warmonger, against both fishmen and human. He is the result of what happens when we share with children a form of hate that is not based on prejudice, but the willingness to hate just to hate.
Technically, it's still very idealistic and therefore bit clanky. But it's a very good basis to understand that we are the product of our systems.
When I tell you that the hatred that Fisher Tiger has was LEGITIMATE
It's the same as when I tell you that it is legitimate for black people to hate white people. You cannot equate their hatred, with our systems of domination.
In the case of One Piece oda clearly showed that they were right to hate, BUT he also explained through Tiger that this hate was not a reason not to seek out and make younger generation learn to love humans.
This is where I put my limit on fishmen Island as a materialist, as Oda is mainly pushing the burden on Fishmen to become more accepted by humans instead of being radicals like I would want them to be, but it's far more than enough to understand the leftist point of view of systemic racism.
I KNOW I have racist biases and sexist bias... you are denying yours. Therefore your rethoric will ALWAYS reflect that denial. And people will be alienated by your word.
Again:
Oda explained it poetically through Fishmen Island.
Hody is not mad at human because of some terrible past, or prejudice, he is the LAST line of hatred before reconstruction.
He is devoided of reason and substance in his fight...
Why ?
Because he is a simple product of his environement.
Hody became hatefull of humans not because of legitimate hate, but because the residual hate of fishmen made him who he was. This hate was clueless, without purpose, so he became a simple warmonger, against both fishmen and human. He is the result of what happens when we share with children a form of hate that is not based on prejudice, but the willingness to hate just to hate.
Technically, it's still very idealistic and therefore bit clanky. But it's a very good basis to understand that we are the product of our systems.
When I tell you that the hatred that Fisher Tiger has was LEGITIMATE
It's the same as when I tell you that it is legitimate for black people to hate white people. You cannot equate their hatred, with our systems of domination.
In the case of One Piece oda clearly showed that they were right to hate, BUT he also explained through Tiger that this hate was not a reason not to seek out and make younger generation learn to love humans.
This is where I put my limit on fishmen Island as a materialist, as Oda is mainly pushing the burden on Fishmen to become more accepted by humans instead of being radicals like I would want them to be, but it's far more than enough to understand the leftist point of view of systemic racism.
We all do it everyday. The human mind doesn’t jump to nuance first, it jumps to snap sweeping judgements. That’s how an animal survives in the wild. But it is very harmful in human society.
Many people embrace it and say they’re better than every group. Others say it doesn’t exist and act better than those on either end. And many try to actively recognize on a day to day basis when we are doing it.
Many people embrace it and say they’re better than every group. Others say it doesn’t exist and act better than those on either end. And many try to actively recognize on a day to day basis when we are doing it.
I wouldn’t say “Islam is the sword that’s slitting the throat of America” is just being constructively critical of the belief system, man…it’s really hard to justify that as an acceptable thing to say in polite society. If he provided any sort of nuanced argument about why he doesn’t support their ideology instead of just saying the cruelest shit that springs to mind, then maybe I’d give it a pass, but that’s definitely not what happened there.
This is just straight “whataboutism,” and we’re demanding empathy for entire swathes of vulnerable communities, not some dipshit bigot who profited off of violence and fearmongering, pretty different things in my eyes. I do agree that people on both sides can be nutjobs, I just see significantly more of them on the right than the left, clearly others disagree based on their own experiences
This is just straight “whataboutism,” and we’re demanding empathy for entire swathes of vulnerable communities, not some dipshit bigot who profited off of violence and fearmongering, pretty different things in my eyes. I do agree that people on both sides can be nutjobs, I just see significantly more of them on the right than the left, clearly others disagree based on their own experiences
Im fine with mocking the guy and his views generally, or even joking about the irony of him dying to gun violence. But actually celebrating his death? Yeah no.
I dont keep count on the amount of nutjobs on the left and/or right, not that i think these two terms are sufficient for political categorization of people anyway
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Him being racist and sexist doesnt make celebrating his death any less nutty
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Not caring about it =/= celebrating it
Would you mind elaborating? Because where I’m from, vilifying an entire religion in such a nasty way is pretty dangerous rhetoric…
That’s fair, but I see all the handwringing and pearl clutching as highly performative considering that both right-wing voters and their elected officials have historically AND recently belittled deceased Democrats and leftists in extremely disrespectful and shameful ways, and the fact that they suddenly they wanna be handled with care when the same shit happens to them is hypocrisy of the strongest order. Again, I agree that “left” and “right” are just umbrella terms that don’t account for individualism, but I’d wager most people in this country willingly identify themselves because it’s simpler than explaining every single one of their views at any given time.
That’s fair, but I see all the handwringing and pearl clutching as highly performative considering that both right-wing voters and their elected officials have historically AND recently belittled deceased Democrats and leftists in extremely disrespectful and shameful ways, and the fact that they suddenly they wanna be handled with care when the same shit happens to them is hypocrisy of the strongest order. Again, I agree that “left” and “right” are just umbrella terms that don’t account for individualism, but I’d wager most people in this country willingly identify themselves because it’s simpler than explaining every single one of their views at any given time.