Controversial General Political Discussion

[Uncle Van]

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> If this post meant "everyone who disagrees with Logiko is believed to be a toxic conservative by him" then you don't really read what I say on this forum.

> If this post meant "Actually he just consider that everyone who disagrees with him doesn't understand".. then yeah. You are right.

So what?




No, just people who understand what leftism is, at least in the big shapes.

Ask anyone of them their opinion on me and you will see that they disagree with me a lot. And you should know that in a leftist space, I would not hold back. But here, they are my allies. (not even sure it's mutual lol)

Dial back the narcissism and pay attention to what people say please. Its very ironic and hypocritical of you. Please try to follow without twisting anything:

You took the stance that Carrot would be SH, straight up telling anyone who said otherwise that they were wrong and needed to read the story. You claimed Carrot joining wasn't your opinion, but an analysis based on what the story is clearly presenting to us. To you, it was so obvious that Carrot was being built for a grand payoff that those who disagree must have an unreasonable level of bias. For anyone who disagreed or shit talked Carrot, you claimed it stems from toxicity rooted in their inner sexism and misogyny, typically perpetuated by the right wingers. It didn't matter if they loved other females or shit talked males, they were sexist or right wing if it came to Carrot.

You even told @Jew D. Boy (sorry if the tags annoy you Jew. Just making a point), a feminist and ideologically similar to you, to stop being so awfully sexist. You even told him "if you are progressive, I'm Queen Elizabeth", all because of Carrot.

Hell, you even said Tama was gonna join the SHs and told those who disagreed that they need to read the story(funnily enough, you said it to @Roo )

You were laughably wrong about Carrot(and Tama) joining, and initially blamed Oda for messing up. Replace Carrot with leftism or other topics, and the situation remains the same. You admitting you were wrong is irrelvant, since you use the exact same stances and tactics in other topics. Your issue is that you always try and mask your opinions as sole natural conclusions based on the facts. You love using facts to tell lies, push falsehoods, and parade subjective ideas, and pretend that anyone who disagrees must not understand the facts. For example, it is a fact that the police are tools for oppression. It is a fact that the police are tools to uphold the status quo. Those facts dont make your subjective opinion of the police being unnecessary today the only viable or factual option.

by agree I mean are basically on the left

Idk how you can say a guy like Van doesn't understand politics, even if I find his takes too conspiracy pilled for my taste at times he clearly understands politics

Lol conspiracy pilled like what? Genuinely curious. 9/11? Charlie Kirk? Trump economic plans? There's a few options lol

 

[Midnight Delight]

. 9/11?

Tbh it's one of those things where I don't believe it was an inside job, but if the CIA did come out and say they did it once it becomes politically possible for them to do so in like decades from now, I would be laughing about how obvious it was

 

[Jew D. Boy]

You even told @Jew D. Boy (sorry if the tags annoy you Jew. Just making a point), a feminist and ideologically similar to you, to stop being so awfully sexist. You even told him "if you are progressive, I'm Queen Elizabeth", all because of Carrot.

How the hell do you remember that?? I know I engaged with him many times back then, but all I ever think about when that thread comes up is how that little bitch Dizzy ran off crying and never came back…more than anyone here (outside of Ravager), I hope he’s having a miserable life

 

[Roo]

Dial back the narcissism and pay attention to what people say please. Its very ironic and hypocritical of you. Please try to follow without twisting anything:

You took the stance that Carrot would be SH, straight up telling anyone who said otherwise that they were wrong and needed to read the story. You claimed Carrot joining wasn't your opinion, but an analysis based on what the story is clearly presenting to us. To you, it was so obvious that Carrot was being built for a grand payoff that those who disagree must have an unreasonable level of bias. For anyone who disagreed or shit talked Carrot, you claimed it stems from toxicity rooted in their inner sexism and misogyny, typically perpetuated by the right wingers. It didn't matter if they loved other females or shit talked males, they were sexist or right wing if it came to Carrot.

You even told @Jew D. Boy (sorry if the tags annoy you Jew. Just making a point), a feminist and ideologically similar to you, to stop being so awfully sexist. You even told him "if you are progressive, I'm Queen Elizabeth", all because of Carrot.

Hell, you even said Tama was gonna join the SHs and told those who disagreed that they need to read the story(funnily enough, you said it to @Roo )

You were laughably wrong about Carrot(and Tama) joining, and initially blamed Oda for messing up. Replace Carrot with leftism or other topics, and the situation remains the same. You admitting you were wrong is irrelvant, since you use the exact same stances and tactics in other topics. Your issue is that you always try and mask your opinions as sole natural conclusions based on the facts. You love using facts to tell lies, push falsehoods, and parade subjective ideas, and pretend that anyone who disagrees must not understand the facts. For example, it is a fact that the police are tools for oppression. It is a fact that the police are tools to uphold the status quo. Those facts dont make your subjective opinion of the police being unnecessary today the only viable or factual option.



Lol conspiracy pilled like what? Genuinely curious. 9/11? Charlie Kirk? Trump economic plans? There's a few options lol

Trump economic plan for sure. I think he's just too ideologically tied to tariffs. He's been championing them since 2016 and it doesn't really help billionaires

 

[Logiko]

by agree I mean are basically on the left

Idk how you can say a guy like Van doesn't understand politics, even if I find his takes too conspiracy pilled for my taste at times he clearly understands politics

Van understands most things in politics, but has a blindspot that makes him oblivious to a bigger understanding and most of all, doesn't want to question fully the double position of reactionary power he has against leftist both in real life and this forum, making him my main political enemy by structure.

You took the stance that Carrot would be SH, straight up telling anyone who said otherwise that they were wrong and needed to read the story.

Yes I did that. But when I did, I made it very clear that it was a troll.

But what I seriously expressed is this: Carrot was prepared like a strawhat. This, is still my stance. I still believe that Carrot was modeled around the strawhat pattern. I already explained why in detail, no need.

You claimed Carrot joining wasn't your opinion, but an analysis based on what the story is clearly presenting to us.

Yup and I was wrong. I expressed that many times. There are absolutely no point in bringing it up again and again, you won't get a new result lol.

This was indeed not an opinion, this was a conclusion of an analysis as I didn't really understand why Oda would create a character like this for no other reason than a strawhat. > What I didn't know then, was his plan to make her Queen.

My conclusion, hypothesis and thus theory was false, my analysis, still stands.

To you, it was so obvious that Carrot was being built for a grand payoff that those who disagree must have an unreasonable level of bias.

It is still obvious lol. Nothing changed lmao.

And if I'm wrong on the only option is that Oda created her story with a form of unconscious motive (not really inconscious, but without really paying attention to the impact, probably because of his daughter). Which is also probable, all writers have pattern that they don't necessarily recognize.

For anyone who disagreed or shit talked Carrot, you claimed it stems from toxicity rooted in their inner sexism and misogyny

Only when there was shittalk* Yup. The shit talking that you could see with Carrot was completely different from the regular type of shittalking that you can usually see with other characters.

The remarks thrown at the character AND Yamato were full of sexism and male gaze. I was right to call that out.

You even told @Jew D. Boy (sorry if the tags annoy you Jew. Just making a point), a feminist and ideologically similar to you, to stop being so awfully sexist. You even told him "if you are progressive, I'm Queen Elizabeth", all because of Carrot.

Can someone give me a crown then ?



lmao I found it

@Jew D. Boy

Explain yourself

Hell, you even said Tama was gonna join the SHs and told those who disagreed that they need to read the story(funnily enough, you said it to @Roo )

Wait wuaaaaat ?
When did I say this? That was probably during my med period. I wasn't very bright then. I never believed that Tama would join. It was just a probability on which I theorized. lmao

and initially blamed Oda for messing up.

Nah... I said "wait, there might be something I'm not seeing". And even if he doesn't do anything, I won't blame Oda for it or the story. At best it would be a clear yet simple narrative mistakes but every writer does that and this would really not be a big deal.

It's crazy how you twist everything lmao.

Replace Carrot with leftism or other topics, and the situation remains the same.

Yup. I see things that you can't lol.

Your issue is that you always try and mask your opinions as sole natural conclusions based on the facts.

When I'm telling you something I'm not sure, I tell you "I don't know" or "I don't know enough about the subject", for the rest, I base everything on data or analysis.

Yea, sometimes I'm wrong and I go a little bit overboard when I say "you don't understand". It can happen, I'm not perfect. But most of the time, I would say 90 to 95% of the time, there are no reasons for me to be wavy. I'm sure and proud of what I know so I'm sharing it.

You don't have to listen to me, you all can ignore me if you want. I never forced anyone to answer to me. Dismissing the knowledge of someone on a subject when I always see bad takes is fair game.

But you prefer looking at me trying to defend the Manga and values this place were built around rather than actually acknowledge the real problem

For example, it is a fact that the police are tools for oppression. It is a fact that the police are tools to uphold the status quo. Those facts dont make your subjective opinion of the police being unnecessary today the only viable or factual option.

You missed a spot: "the police will always defend the material interest of the ruling class*".

Meaning:

The police will never really be on the side of the population and thus, will always eventually end up oppressing it.

 

[Uncle Van]

How the hell do you remember that?? I know I engaged with him many times back then, but all I ever think about when that thread comes up is how that little bitch Dizzy ran off crying and never came back…more than anyone here (outside of Ravager), I hope he’s having a miserable life

1. I knew for a fact that you were one the people he called sexist.

2. Typed your name and sexism in the search engine in the naka thread lol

Trump economic plan for sure. I think he's just too ideologically tied to tariffs. He's been championing them since 2016 and it doesn't really help billionaires

I was saying it helped billionaires in that it would drop asset prices and force the lower and middle classes to sell their own. Billionaire have the cash to ride the wave back up while the rest gets left in the dust. Trump and his goons got really rich of the manipulation too. I claimed Trump was gambling with the tariffs hoping things would go his way.

 

[Logiko]

1. I knew for a fact that you were one the people he called sexist.

2. Typed your name and sexism in the search engine in the naka thread lol

To be honest, if I encountered the me from 4 years ago, I would probably call myself out for being too liberal, indealist and too individualistic. That's why I do understand why it must have pissed you off to see me calling out every one in the thread.

I was not necessarily wrong, I just had the wrong approach.

 

[Zenos7]

wish for this forum to become a leftist and revolutionary safe place

Ye fuck diversity of opinions

 

[AL sama]

Bra

this is bra

 

[AL sama]

Ye fuck diversity of opinions

all hail echo chamber

 

[Zenos7]

That's because you don't think systematically and thus, you do not understand what the police is, systematically. You can tell me "but I do".. the reality is that if you consider that it's a problem to generalize the police, you are not doing it. Because there are enough evidences now to believe that the police is systematically a problem. A problem that needs systemic solutions : Defund, disband.

But then you arent just generalizing cops, you are equivocating cops with the police force itself

 

[Logiko]

Ye fuck diversity of opinions

You are blind to a war of opinions in leftism

this is bra

bruh

But then you arent just generalizing cops, you are equivocating cops with the police force itself

well .. yeah?



wdym?

 

[Zenos7]

To the point some of you think as yourself as leftist when you are not.

Exactly lmao

Cant make this shit up

 

[Logiko]

all hail echo chamber

 

[Logiko]

Exactly lmao

Cant make this shit up

Exactly what ?

 

[Uncle Van]

Ye fuck diversity of opinions

all hail echo chamber

I recall him declaring or heavily insinuating only leftist can be real One Piece fans when he left the first time. Would really explain why he so heavily correlates toxicity and grievance with One Piece with right wing.

Left wing political safe haven = only positive talk of OP it seems

 

[Zenos7]

Logiko does have a point about the police, while it is a systemic issue not all police officers are like this.

Thats exactly what everyones opinion here seems to be, but logiko will still twist it to make you look like a boot licker now as well
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I'll humor you here. Let's say everything works out and the police are defunded and disbanded. What then?
What happens if tragedies like 9/11 happen again? What do we do without the police to help there?
What about a shooter holding a school hostage?

That shit wont happen in logikos ideal fantasy world
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You know what's fascinating? You have this ability to find really insightful articles but refuse to actually read them and horribly misquoted them. You're like those Wikipedia authors who provide sources but when I read the source link it says something completely different.
Are you doing this on purpose or do you really have no reading comprehension?

Confirmation bias + selective reading
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can't be reformed from the inside.

Not from the inside alone, but dont you think it helps if people from within and from outside try to reform the police?

 

[Jew D. Boy]

@Jew D. Boy

Explain yourself

I’m reclaiming the term as a pejorative against women and using it the way God intended - to describe angry, sexually frustrated weebs who would burst into tears if a real female human looked their way

 

[Zenos7]

"If you dont cry at the funeral, you obviously never cared about that person nor have sympathy". There it is.

Once judging how people should feel and act. Them not acting the way you want doesnt mean they dont understand. Always trying to remove individuality and the human condition.

And i have told him numerous times that people disagreeing with him doesnt mean they dont understand his arguments (as if what he is saying is profound)

 

[Logiko]

Left wing political safe haven = only positive talk of OP it seems

Thats exactly what everyones opinion here seems to be, but logiko will still twist it to make you look like a boot licker now as well

"People think there is a systemic issue in the police" > Reality > People want to reform the police / "There are good people"

> In others words, they don't understand what "systemic" means.

Vaguely knowing that there is a systemic issue and knowing that the system of the police is the problem are two very different things.

Left wing political safe haven = only positive talk of OP it seems

Nah. Just more*

And i have told him numerous times that people disagreeing with him doesnt mean they dont understand his arguments (as if what he is saying is profound)

lmao you are still not understand the issue (see what I did there? )