Gun debate thread
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this again.
Look gun restrictions are a different subject.. diametrically banning them is a whole separate issue.
if you want the massacres to stop banning weapons would do no good.. this would still leave violence some space
whats more sensible is to find the core to the violence and what instigates it fundamentally ie; what's leads a person to commit it...and eradicate it.
Banning weapons doesn't minimize violence.. it just shifts it from a majorly practical medium to a psychological or veiled physically extortive one...which can be rape, knife-oriented, etc
Look gun restrictions are a different subject.. diametrically banning them is a whole separate issue.
if you want the massacres to stop banning weapons would do no good.. this would still leave violence some space
whats more sensible is to find the core to the violence and what instigates it fundamentally ie; what's leads a person to commit it...and eradicate it.
Banning weapons doesn't minimize violence.. it just shifts it from a majorly practical medium to a psychological or veiled physically extortive one...which can be rape, knife-oriented, etc
Guns still leads to the most deaths though. There are way more assault cases with knifes, but the death toll for gun violence eclipses that of other weapons. It's also worth noting that majority of gun violence in the US happens in DC, Chicago, New York City, Los Angelos and Detriot. Gun violence drops by 90% if you remove those 5 cities from the equation so those 5 states and cities need to update their laws.
Mass shootings happen so often cause guns are so easily accessible for any random guy. Teenagers shouldn't be getting be getting their hands on guns. Guns are low risk for crazy people. It's much harder to kill someone with a knife than with a gun.
Mass shootings happen so often cause guns are so easily accessible for any random guy. Teenagers shouldn't be getting be getting their hands on guns. Guns are low risk for crazy people. It's much harder to kill someone with a knife than with a gun.
Ok restrictions sure but straight up banning them? i doubt many states have it banned
if gun violence is preferable to perpetrators.. wouldn't the preference just change if the underlying reason for violence remains ? Just look at Europe, their statistics are flipped where Knife violence is much more prevalent
the point is substituting weapons is not pragmatic.
i mean yea, violence is inevitable but mass violence being this rife is pretty bizarre.
if gun violence is preferable to perpetrators.. wouldn't the preference just change if the underlying reason for violence remains ? Just look at Europe, their statistics are flipped where Knife violence is much more prevalent
the point is substituting weapons is not pragmatic.
i mean yea, violence is inevitable but mass violence being this rife is pretty bizarre.
true less deaths are better than mass deaths but not a solution tot he problem, less efficient weapons would now be the primary resort hence used for more attacks in general and just result is relatively similar deaths to weapons even if more less efficient
restriction on guns and its mass availability is just a way to mitigate the stats.. not a solution to the problem.
and its not easy to find a solution to mass violence
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Any instant solution will have long term consequence.. ban on guns isn't gonna do much when the intention and mentality of criminal individuals remain.
restrictions is more pragmatic but banning isn't a solution at all.
restriction on guns and its mass availability is just a way to mitigate the stats.. not a solution to the problem.
and its not easy to find a solution to mass violence
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Any instant solution will have long term consequence.. ban on guns isn't gonna do much when the intention and mentality of criminal individuals remain.
restrictions is more pragmatic but banning isn't a solution at all.
Dude someones retarded with knife can't kill as much as people with guns
Is that too hard for you to comprehend?!
And you actually have solid chance to resist knife attacks unlike guns
The harder it is to kill, the harder the murderous mentality to commit mass murders and thus it will be easily countered and significantly reduced
It's like saying "there's no use banning people from travelling with cars to XX dangerous areas because people will walk there anyway" well duhh ofc but extremely few will be willing to put effort and walk to there in KMs compared to just to go there by cars.
Is that too hard for you to comprehend?!
And you actually have solid chance to resist knife attacks unlike guns
The harder it is to kill, the harder the murderous mentality to commit mass murders and thus it will be easily countered and significantly reduced
It's like saying "there's no use banning people from travelling with cars to XX dangerous areas because people will walk there anyway" well duhh ofc but extremely few will be willing to put effort and walk to there in KMs compared to just to go there by cars.
You failed to factor in 3 things: Culture, Politics and Captialism.
The 2nd Amendment gives the citizens the right to possess weapons as self defense against other citizens and tyranny. The founding step fathers created the 2nd Amendment as a deterrent against government tyranny and to keep military power under control. Law enforcement is a deterrent against crime but crime still happens. We don't go around saying that we don't need law enforcement anymore becsuse of it. We have North Korea where with a combination of unarmed people, propaganda and military enforcement, citizens have hardly any rights which lead to many defections. People don't have to fight the American Government guns blazing. It simply makes Govenment enforcement more risky. That's where propaganda comes in.
Guns has been completely engraved into amercian culture for 2 and a half centuries. Political propaganda has the people split 50/50 on gun laws, and 40% of the population own guns. Ain't no way guns can be banned without lots of internal conflict and deadly riots, and many politicians and companies want guns violence to continue for their careers and profit.
The biggest issue is that the 2nd Amendment is vague, weapons have become too powerful, and any random person can buy these powerful weapons if they have the cash which is unacceptable. Best case scenario for today's culture is strict regulation.
The 2nd Amendment gives the citizens the right to possess weapons as self defense against other citizens and tyranny. The founding step fathers created the 2nd Amendment as a deterrent against government tyranny and to keep military power under control. Law enforcement is a deterrent against crime but crime still happens. We don't go around saying that we don't need law enforcement anymore becsuse of it. We have North Korea where with a combination of unarmed people, propaganda and military enforcement, citizens have hardly any rights which lead to many defections. People don't have to fight the American Government guns blazing. It simply makes Govenment enforcement more risky. That's where propaganda comes in.
Guns has been completely engraved into amercian culture for 2 and a half centuries. Political propaganda has the people split 50/50 on gun laws, and 40% of the population own guns. Ain't no way guns can be banned without lots of internal conflict and deadly riots, and many politicians and companies want guns violence to continue for their careers and profit.
The biggest issue is that the 2nd Amendment is vague, weapons have become too powerful, and any random person can buy these powerful weapons if they have the cash which is unacceptable. Best case scenario for today's culture is strict regulation.
It was mainly bcs of Militia forming. USA at the time barely won against Brits and there was a fear that other colonial nations might make a move on them. So their answer to that was giving every citizen a gun so in case of an invasion they can call the militia - Minutemen.
You even have riots in USA during Civil War and Army had 0 problems putting it down.
You even have riots in USA during Civil War and Army had 0 problems putting it down.
That is 100% true, but they also feared a monarchy appearing from within. Arm the citizens for attacks outside the nation, and to demoralize any attempts from the inside. Also because since it's in the Amendment, many Americans only think they need guns only for government oppression and propaganda is the primary reason.
Riots can be stopped but damages and outcry is the problem. American culture isn't one that people can be shot down with little consequence in this captialism nation. The George Floyd riots were mostly unarmed citizens but it still caused some deaths, tons of property damage and tons of political agenda taking advantage. It's not military might alone in this age.
Riots can be stopped but damages and outcry is the problem. American culture isn't one that people can be shot down with little consequence in this captialism nation. The George Floyd riots were mostly unarmed citizens but it still caused some deaths, tons of property damage and tons of political agenda taking advantage. It's not military might alone in this age.
I would personally blame fearmongering in USA
Mexican population? Here to cross the border illegally, steal yo jobs and take social care
Black population? Bunch of gangs, hustlers and pimps here to ruin your neighbourhoods
Muslim population? They want to kill you all
Jewish population? They control everything
And then insert any group that isn't anglo-saxon, protestant - white
Yes, even Irish, Italians and other minorities get shit
Mexican population? Here to cross the border illegally, steal yo jobs and take social care
Black population? Bunch of gangs, hustlers and pimps here to ruin your neighbourhoods
Muslim population? They want to kill you all
Jewish population? They control everything
And then insert any group that isn't anglo-saxon, protestant - white
Yes, even Irish, Italians and other minorities get shit
But Militias weren't just viewed as a wartime necessity - it was a model for how founders envisioned the population to self conduct. The point was to avoid civilians outsourcing protection and management of their own community to their government, aka Police. We ended up eventually doing so anyway, and well, you can see the consequences of that.
In a similar vein I think the "guns weren't as effective at the time" argument is pointless because it has nothing to do with the fundamental point of the amendment. The founding fathers probably wouldn't care. I mean, cannons and ships and so on counted as arms at the time as well.
The real cultural shift can be seen in the last 100 years or so - guns haven't changed *much* in that period, but we used to be way more lax about them regardless. We used to be able to order tommy guns from a catalogue. Children brought rifles to school and had shooting classes. Something has fundamentally changed since then but it isn't guns or access to them. People have gotten more domesticated.
In a similar vein I think the "guns weren't as effective at the time" argument is pointless because it has nothing to do with the fundamental point of the amendment. The founding fathers probably wouldn't care. I mean, cannons and ships and so on counted as arms at the time as well.
The real cultural shift can be seen in the last 100 years or so - guns haven't changed *much* in that period, but we used to be way more lax about them regardless. We used to be able to order tommy guns from a catalogue. Children brought rifles to school and had shooting classes. Something has fundamentally changed since then but it isn't guns or access to them. People have gotten more domesticated.
Dictactorships and criminals killing with no consequence is a bigger issue than some lunatic shooting mobs from time to time.I live in one of or the most dangerous city to live.If a criminal kills he usually gets 6 months in jail and he is back to killing once outside,most criminals don't even get arrested.We have radical left wingers and oligarchs that want to turn the country into a "human farm".Don't give up any of your individual rights and your firearms.Don't be stupid.The safest countries in the world are also the most armed.Psychopaths don't respect you,but they sure fear your ar15 and your glock that you carry on your hip.Don't be naive.Gun grabbers are Wolf's in sheep's clothing.
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Venezuela turned into a full blown dictatorship.Cuba has been one for decades.Colombia and Argentina are going the same route.All these places have an unarmed civillian population.Don't be stupid people.
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Venezuela turned into a full blown dictatorship.Cuba has been one for decades.Colombia and Argentina are going the same route.All these places have an unarmed civillian population.Don't be stupid people.
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