Powers & Abilities Haki is the strongest power in the One Piece verse. The strongest characters are the ones with the stronger Haki

#22
Sad that Zoro will never be on that level, he needed Enma to buff his weak haki. :josad:
Zoro COC was the weakest, it was enhanced by Enma , despite that still on the same level of Luffy's COC at pre marineford,
could only knock fewer men.
It's understandable since WSS doesn't need to have strong will,:goyea:

look at mihawk, couldn't even conquer a mere 5th division commander cause his will is to weak, we can see that.
dude felt the need to be insecure all the time when talkin about OP individuals. :whitepress:
 
#23
I still think awakening is > ACOC but I can see where you're coming from

I completely disagree with the "the one with better haki will always triumph" thing though

I don't think anyone could argue Luffy's haki was better than Katakuri's during WCI but he still won

Some of Luffy's opponents pre TS had haki yet he still embarrassed them

The one with better haki will win most of the time but there are exceptions
 
#25
:josad:
Zoro's CoC can't even KO fodders that long, they got up shortly after in the same chapter

Who could have thought Zoro fans will be hyping CoC after decades of downplaying it
:milaugh:this what happens when you're a toxic fanboy,
You only hype stuff when your fav has them or show them.
One of the biggest hypocrites made this post, that's funny.

Zoro wasn't using knockout CoC. That was a side effect to him just coating his swords. His CoC is that strong.

Similar to when Luffy obtained awakening. His CoC went through the skull but it didn't knock out alot of the fodder.
 
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#26
At this point, it is a given that Advanced Conqueror > Devil Fruit Awakening/other special abilities > Haki > Devil Fruits/other abilities. Between characters of similar levels, the ones with stronger Haki are, most of times, the stronger ones. This really seems the way the author sees things in his own series.

Kaido already knew well about DF Awakening, and then witnessed the Awakening of one of the most powerful DFs, possibly even the most powerful one, the Gomu Gomu... ahem the Nika Nika. And yet he still says that Haki surpasses all the powers.

So yeah, the strongest characters in One Piece are the one with the strongest Haki. In a fight between two characters of similar levels, the one with the strongest Haki will be the winner.
This is so coherent, after all. Will, being it inherited will or willpower, is one of the main themes of the One Piece series. Haki is the power of the will.
Willpower makes you tougher, that's Armament Haki. Willpower makes you feel the surroundings, that's Observation Haki. The strongest kind of willpower is the one that makes you dominate over anything and anyone else; and that's Conqueror Haki, the act of the Kings imposing their superiority to the lesser ones.

That's why Haki the strongest power in the world of One Piece. As Kaido said, in a direct comparison with the other abilities: "HAKI SURPASSES IT ALL".



And the strongest kind of Haki is the Advanced Conqueror Haki, which indeed was portrayed as the power of the Top Tiers, through Kaido's words again "Infusing things with Conqueror Haki? ONLY A HANDFUL OF THE VERY STRONGEST CAN!"
Therefore, you could say that, being Adv CoC the strongest version of Haki which is the strongest power, the actual strongest power in the verse is Adv CoC. So basically it's like this: Adv CoC Haki > Haki > anything else.



Doflamingo, being a Conqueror Haki user and having a DF with Awakening, and also perfectly knowing what Ope Ope (one of the strongest DF around) can do, so having massive knowledge, refers to being a Conqueror as a proof of the greater power of the ones who possess that ability compared to the ones who do not, as something that creates a clear distinction between who has it and who doesn't have.



Kaido's statement then creates an even further distinction between who has it, and who has it in the Advanced version. Because yes, even among the already very few ones who have Conqueror Haki, only the present strongests or the ones with the greatest future potential are able to use Advanced Conqueror Haki. Confirming that (Adv CoC) as the strongest version of the strongest power (Haki), and making it an established landmark in the power levels of the series, with hype and portrayal above 9000.



Hundreds and hundreds of chapters ago, the idea that the one with the stronger Haki is the one that most of times is the stronger one overall and the winner of a fight, is textually suggested in the manga.
A character textually states that defeating his DF means nothing because he will still win thanks to his high level of Haki; and the answer is that's true, it will depend on who truly has the better Haki for real; the winner will be the one with the strongest Haki.
Now that may not be true for 100 comparisons out of 100; but for the most part, yes. Especially characters with Advanced Conqueror, they are among the strongests for the mere virtue of unlocking and wielding that power. There's a reason for why people like Doflamingo, Chinjao, Kidd or Katakuri are Conquerors and very strong guys, but still could not manage to obtain the usage of Advanced Conqueror Haki.



After all, all of this should not come as a surprise. Not only it is perfectly coherent with will being one of the main themes of the series, and Haki being a reflection of the character's willpower.
Also, please notice that every past, present and future Top Tiers have all different fighting styles: some are DF users, some are swordsmen, some are brawlers and so on. But all of them have exceptionally strong Haki. All of them.
There are so many Top Tiers who do not have a Devil Fruit: Roger, Rayleigh, Mihawk, Shanks, in the future there will be Zoro who is already rising at the highest levels; Oden too can be seen as at that level. Garp as well
.. and he didn't even use swords or other weapons, only his bare hands and Haki! While, on the other side, there is no Top Tier that doesn't have exceptionally strong Haki, and this says all. Even the Admirals use their DFs a lot, but still they are Haki masters, just see how easily they blocked Whitebeard's Gura Gura with their Advanced CoA.



So, yeah, Haki is the strongest power in One Piece: as Kaido said "Abilities are not enough to conquer the world... Roger didn't have that... because only Haki trascends it all!"
And the strongest version of the strongest power is what Kaido called the power of the Top Tiers, the power that "only a handful of the very strongest can", aka the Advanced Conqueror Haki.

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Woro. :steef:
 
#29
Bruh how is this any different from DBZ bullshit power levels. All this does is show how Haki is ruining OP fights
Actually thats changing in Wano, Oda is presenting new standards.

Luffy vs Kaido is an example

Sanji vs Queen, Zoro vs King, Kidd and Law vs Big Mom as well

And it will keep going like that even more post Wano
 
#32
Although I disagree about how fights are determined on who has stronger haki especially when devil fruit abilities come to play, it would be lame asf if that’s what it all comes down to
 
#35
At this point, it is a given that Advanced Conqueror > Devil Fruit Awakening/other special abilities > Haki > Devil Fruits/other abilities. Between characters of similar levels, the ones with stronger Haki are, most of times, the stronger ones. This really seems the way the author sees things in his own series.

Kaido already knew well about DF Awakening, and then witnessed the Awakening of one of the most powerful DFs, possibly even the most powerful one, the Gomu Gomu... ahem the Nika Nika. And yet he still says that Haki surpasses all the powers.

So yeah, the strongest characters in One Piece are the one with the strongest Haki. In a fight between two characters of similar levels, the one with the strongest Haki will be the winner.
This is so coherent, after all. Will, being it inherited will or willpower, is one of the main themes of the One Piece series. Haki is the power of the will.
Willpower makes you tougher, that's Armament Haki. Willpower makes you feel the surroundings, that's Observation Haki. The strongest kind of willpower is the one that makes you dominate over anything and anyone else; and that's Conqueror Haki, the act of the Kings imposing their superiority to the lesser ones.

That's why Haki the strongest power in the world of One Piece. As Kaido said, in a direct comparison with the other abilities: "HAKI SURPASSES IT ALL".



And the strongest kind of Haki is the Advanced Conqueror Haki, which indeed was portrayed as the power of the Top Tiers, through Kaido's words again "Infusing things with Conqueror Haki? ONLY A HANDFUL OF THE VERY STRONGEST CAN!"
Therefore, you could say that, being Adv CoC the strongest version of Haki which is the strongest power, the actual strongest power in the verse is Adv CoC. So basically it's like this: Adv CoC Haki > Haki > anything else.



Doflamingo, being a Conqueror Haki user and having a DF with Awakening, and also perfectly knowing what Ope Ope (one of the strongest DF around) can do, so having massive knowledge, refers to being a Conqueror as a proof of the greater power of the ones who possess that ability compared to the ones who do not, as something that creates a clear distinction between who has it and who doesn't have.



Kaido's statement then creates an even further distinction between who has it, and who has it in the Advanced version. Because yes, even among the already very few ones who have Conqueror Haki, only the present strongests or the ones with the greatest future potential are able to use Advanced Conqueror Haki. Confirming that (Adv CoC) as the strongest version of the strongest power (Haki), and making it an established landmark in the power levels of the series, with hype and portrayal above 9000.



Hundreds and hundreds of chapters ago, the idea that the one with the stronger Haki is the one that most of times is the stronger one overall and the winner of a fight, is textually suggested in the manga.
A character textually states that defeating his DF means nothing because he will still win thanks to his high level of Haki; and the answer is that's true, it will depend on who truly has the better Haki for real; the winner will be the one with the strongest Haki.
Now that may not be true for 100 comparisons out of 100; but for the most part, yes. Especially characters with Advanced Conqueror, they are among the strongests for the mere virtue of unlocking and wielding that power. There's a reason for why people like Doflamingo, Chinjao, Kidd or Katakuri are Conquerors and very strong guys, but still could not manage to obtain the usage of Advanced Conqueror Haki.



After all, all of this should not come as a surprise. Not only it is perfectly coherent with will being one of the main themes of the series, and Haki being a reflection of the character's willpower.
Also, please notice that every past, present and future Top Tiers have all different fighting styles: some are DF users, some are swordsmen, some are brawlers and so on. But all of them have exceptionally strong Haki. All of them.
There are so many Top Tiers who do not have a Devil Fruit: Roger, Rayleigh, Mihawk, Shanks, in the future there will be Zoro who is already rising at the highest levels; Oden too can be seen as at that level. Garp as well
.. and he didn't even use swords or other weapons, only his bare hands and Haki! While, on the other side, there is no Top Tier that doesn't have exceptionally strong Haki, and this says all. Even the Admirals use their DFs a lot, but still they are Haki masters, just see how easily they blocked Whitebeard's Gura Gura with their Advanced CoA.



So, yeah, Haki is the strongest power in One Piece: as Kaido said "Abilities are not enough to conquer the world... Roger didn't have that... because only Haki trascends it all!"
And the strongest version of the strongest power is what Kaido called the power of the Top Tiers, the power that "only a handful of the very strongest can", aka the Advanced Conqueror Haki.

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Advanced CoC > 1 awakening.

2 awakenings > advanced CoC.

3 awakenings >>> advanced CoC.

There's strength in courage, but a bigger one in numbers.
 
#38
Which fits very well with the theme of the Story "Ambition" Will/Spirit. Those who aspires to be something and have the Will to do it will be on top.
Exactly.
Haki = Willpower.

The will to be tougher, creates Color of Armament Haki (and at the highest level Advanced Armament, that makes you emit that power on your objective).
The will to understand what surrounds you, creates Color of Observation Haki (and at the highest level Advanced Observation, that makes you understand the surroundings so well that you foresee what will happen or feel perfect knowledge about everything around you).
The will to be a King who impose his superiority on the other ones, creates Color of Conqueror Haki (and at the highest level Advanced Conqueror, thar makes you infuse yourself, your attacks and your weapons with your will to become even stronger).

The strongest ones = the ones with strongest Haki = the ones with the greatest willpower are the Kings with Advanced Conqueror = the ones with the greatest willpower = the strongest ones

Everything fits perfectly, both as the reasoning and the references from the manga supporting it (actually it's not even a reasoning, but a mere reflection of what the manga showed and told)

:steef:
 
#39
Take a DF less top tier with maxed out Hakis, no matter swordsman or brawler, and put him against whoever there is with Haki restricted. The one with Haki will demolish every hakiless guy.

But of course, different fighting styles get amped differently. e.g. Haki being essential for swordsmanship to cut through everything and become one with the blade. Haki itself isn't a fighting style, it amps whatever fighting style you have. Hence Haki has a higher ceiling.
 
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