General & Others How would you make Zoro a better character?

[ImmaIvanoM]

i said we dont get enough and most of the time the man does nothing but look cool

Can't you be cool and engaging? Like I just explained an entire situation where Zoro no being a bumbling dumb ass actually made for a good interaction with a character.

What you are advocating for is some kind internal struggle and not his actual outward actions right?

Because most of Zoro's scenes are similar to this Tashigi scene, Zoro does in fact have very well defined outward interactions and conflicts that make for good scenes, you seemingly just want internal conflict. Like him questioning his strength against Mihawk in East blue right?

Funny thing is, THAT'S THE ONLY TIME THAT'S EVER HAPPENED. Like look through all of pre time skip, there's no other such scene.

I think in post time skip, there's less OUTWARD conflict against Zoro since he's basically way too strong and that's what is making it seem like Zoro's lack of INTERNAL conflict is pronounced and yet this wasn't a thing since East blue. Basically seeing Zoro get fucked up by Kuma made you forget that we again had no internal conflict there too. Zoro was fully outwardly self sacrificial
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Babes cry all you want. My orginal post is that Zoro doesnt make interesting strategies. Not inferior ones.

Ok and....Im not saying he should be intelligent. Im saying intelligence is one of the main traits he lacks. Lmao the way your damage controlling is hilarious !

Are you seriously losing your nut cause I said Zoro doesnt make interesting strategies. Do better sis.

Oh this so dumb. So a person solves every problem he sets out to solve using the method's and tools he trained for in order to solve these problems BUT he doesn't automatically use methods and tools he DID NOT train for so he is NOT INTELLIGENT.

HAHAHAHA... Do you need me to explain how stupid this is? No really I'm asking. I mean I already had to explain to you what "having a personality" means:ROFLMAO: So maybe I actually have to explain what intelligence is as well.

Oh god, I should get paid for this

 

[Celestia]

Less serious, more chatty , siller just like Pre skip in arcs like East Blue or Skypiea

Let him smile more and interact with the crew members more

I really dislike how he is being made to be bland or like bAd AsS shonen character or like Mihawk 2.0

He used to be better at the start of the series
Post time-skip he got some good moments in HP but that's was it

 

[Fujishiro]

I love it, he is doing his own thing and has his own plot line.
Nothing would have changed if he remained with rest of the crew except him not getting his own panel time.
This is Zoro's arc, you will have to endure it.

I don’t think it’s zoros arc but I’m happy you’re happy friendo

 

[uyuu]

What respect towards Luffy's strength in DR? Water 7 clearly tells why Zoro tolerates Luffy as a captain, no ifs and butts. He didnt join Luffy because of his strength, in fact he knew nothing about it.

i just mentioned it in my previous post.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

you seemingly just want internal conflict. Like him questioning his strength against Mihawk in East blue right?

@Fujishiro Am I right in my assessment?
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Less serious, more chatty , siller just like Pre skip in arcs like East Blue or Skypiea

Let him smile more and interact with the crew members more

I really dislike how he is being made to be bland or like bAd AsS shonen character or like Mihawk 2.0

This meme will never end

 

[Fujishiro]

@Fujishiro Am I right in my assessment?
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This meme will never end

I guess so mate, well in part. But the part about you saying its because he's too strong is yet to be proven, thats also a problem. We havent seen him fight adversaries and grow like luffy does, cant say hes too strong when we cant possibly put him at YC lvl yet, he will prove himself hopefully in the coming chapters i hope. The guy only fought pica and drew with kamazou.

 

[Chrono]

Can't you be cool and engaging? Like I just explained an entire situation where Zoro no being a bumbling dumb ass actually made for a good interaction with a character.

What you are advocating for is some kind internal struggle and not his actual outward actions right?

Because most of Zoro's scenes are similar to this Tashigi scene, Zoro does in fact have very well defined outward interactions and conflicts that make for good scenes, you seemingly just want internal conflict. Like him questioning his strength against Mihawk in East blue right?

Funny thing is, THAT'S THE ONLY TIME THAT'S EVER HAPPENED. Like look through all of pre time skip, there's no other such scene.

I think in post time skip, there's less OUTWARD conflict against Zoro since he's basically way too strong and that's what is making it seem like Zoro's lack of INTERNAL conflict is pronounced and yet this wasn't a thing since East blue. Basically seeing Zoro get fucked up by Kuma made you forget that we again had no internal conflict there too. Zoro was fully outwardly self sacrificial
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Oh this so dumb. So a person solves every problem he sets out to solve using the method's and tools he trained for in order to solve these problems BUT he doesn't automatically use methods and tools he DID NOT train for so he is NOT INTELLIGENT.

HAHAHAHA... Do you need me to explain how stupid this is? No really I'm asking. I mean I already had to explain to you what "having a personality" means:ROFLMAO: So maybe I actually have to explain what intelligence is as well.

Oh god, I should get paid for this

You truly arent intelligent either I guess. The fact you are causing a problem like this. Like character like fan.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

I guess so mate, well in part. But the part about you saying its because he's too strong is yet to be proven, thats also a problem. We havent seen him fight adversaries and grow like luffy does, cant say hes too strong when we cant possibly put him at YC lvl yet, he will prove himself hopefully in the coming chapters i hope. The guy only fought pica and drew with kamazou.

As in hes too strong for the people he fights.

And he didn't draw with killer. Draws don't look like that. Killer took advantage of a 2v1 to damage Zoro, then Zoro gripped his scythe in his torn shoulder muscles so hard that Killer's ENTIRE ARM couldn't muster enough strength to pull it out, and then Zoro one shots him and then stands there and worries that he shouldn't have taken damage before the raid (there's some little internal conflict for you) and then Sizes up Gyukimaru until he withdraws from the fight, then his stomach gets up set and then passes out from his stomachache.

Those are the direct sequence of events that happened and that's not what a draw is. A draw is Luffy and Katakuri double K.Oing each other or Kaido and big mom stalemating from days of fighting.

Anyway, have you noticed that Zoro's not had internal conflict SINCE chapter 51? I mean surely you can't say a lack of such a thing is a problem unless you believe that Zoro has had this problem for the last 900 chapters as well. What you actually want is him getting outward conflict that seems seems like his typical "high diff fights".

And I won't say this isn't something worth wanting since it was a thing pre time skip for Zoro to have more of a problem but again I don't believe Oda changing things is the same as them being bad.

Just like how I said Zoro's interactions with Tashigi changing are a good thing, this approach to Zoro's fights changing can be quite interesting as well.

Zoro vs Hyouzo and Monet are the first times Zoro showed restraint against weaklings. That was a new side to Zoro as far as I can tell since I don't remember him pre time skip telling weaklings to just run away just because they weren't stronger than him. Here Zoro being too strong actually creates a new side to his personality and then even leads to one of the best scenes in all of Punk hazard with the cutting Monet thing. The entire tension of that scene was due to how much stronger Zoro was than Monet and Monet misreading his Restraint as him just not having the guts to cut her at all. I mean I know you supposedly dislike every scene regarding "Zoro is cool tough guy" for whatever reason but this is a shonen battle manga and these are the scenes that typically make ALL shonen battle manga amazing.

Next was Zoro vs Pica which was also specifically written to highlight early on that Pica wasn't a match for Zoro in head to head combat and so Pica had to get creative and run and then Zoro had to also get creative to deal with a person who runs. See Now something new is happening. Oda is doing something new instead of the Daz bones fight or the Kaku fugt or the Ryuma fight THAT ALL END THE SAME WAY. All those fights are head on fights that end with Zoro pulling out a New random power at the very end to win. Have you noticed that? That Zoro always made NEW abilities seemingly out of thin air to win those fights? In fact they are so random that Oda blatantly chooses to ignore them now because of how random they are. The Fire ability against Ryuma and Ashura will probably never come back into the story since they were just random abilities like that.

And so with Pica Oda chooses to make the challenge different this time. Zoro doesnt need a random ability. Zoro's definitively stronger than this guy in head to head combat. The problem is travel speed and Area of effect. And so Oda has Zoro have an entire chapter of making a plan to beat this man and he end up doing it with AN EAST BLUE ATTACK. Yes, after 600 chapters of Zoro making up random powers to win his big fights that are too random to be explained or return, Zoro wins a major fight WITH AN ATTACK FROM EAST BLUE HE USED AGAINST MIHAWK. Oda for the first time doesn't need ass pulls specifically because ZORO WAS STRONGER ALREADY.

Anyway the point I'm getting at is Oda isn't doing these things without thinking about them. He chose that Pica was that weak so that he can do something new with how Zoro has to win. In Alabasta we have the chapter of Zoro's flashback and him tapping into haki and mystical sword techniques. In Dressrosa we have a chapter of a well laid out plan with pros and cons and even a twist regarding how Zoro utilises other people's abilities showing his leadership abilities too. It's different but is that a bad thing?

This is the central thing in all these arguments, is a different thing a bad thing? Like I too have pointed out that Zoro is different but what I don't get is how that means it's bad. His interactions with certain characters are much better because of it and there's new sides to Zoro shown and since the screen time is much less, Oda is making sure to utilise this screen time to do some interesting things. Things like this Zoro Yasu Hiyori business work much better when there's good enough screen time given to them. Zoro's lack of panel time with Yasu was felt by everyone to the point that the Anime actually created entire filler scenes for it and then Zoro's on panel interactions with Hiyori created pretty good moments like waking up with her on top of him or her crying into his chest when Yasu died or even that gag with Sanji and the Bounty poster. Actual screen time does do wonders and even post time skip Zoro who has changed has such good moments because Oda chose to have Zoro change for a reason so he could do new things with him.
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You truly arent intelligent either I guess. The fact you are causing a problem like this. Like character like fan.

I asked whether you want me to explain to you what intelligence means in these situations. But I'll ask for money this time

 

[HA001]

People make no sense.

Hes more serious cause of the reality shock of being too weak in sabaody where they almost died.
This isnt the fun adventure of the the start of the series. Its war now.

 

[Fujishiro]

As in hes too strong for the people he fights.

And he didn't draw with killer. Draws don't look like that. Killer took advantage of a 2v1 to damage Zoro, then Zoro gripped his scythe in his torn shoulder muscles so hard that Killer's ENTIRE ARM couldn't muster enough strength to pull it out, and then Zoro one shots him and then stands there and worries that he shouldn't have taken damage before the raid (there's some little internal conflict for you) and then Sizes up Gyukimaru until he withdraws from the fight, then his stomach gets up set and then passes out from his stomachache.

Those are the direct sequence of events that happened and that's not what a draw is. A draw is Luffy and Katakuri double K.Oing each other or Kaido and big mom stalemating from days of fighting.

Anyway, have you noticed that Zoro's not had internal conflict SINCE chapter 51? I mean surely you can't say a lack of such a thing is a problem unless you believe that Zoro has had this problem for the last 900 chapters as well. What you actually want is him getting outward conflict that seems seems like his typical "high diff fights".

And I won't say this isn't something worth wanting since it was a thing pre time skip for Zoro to have more of a problem but again I don't believe Oda changing things is the same as them being bad.

Just like how I said Zoro's interactions with Tashigi changing are a good thing, this approach to Zoro's fights changing can be quite interesting as well.

Zoro vs Hyouzo and Monet are the first times Zoro showed restraint against weaklings. That was a new side to Zoro as far as I can tell since I don't remember him pre time skip telling weaklings to just run away just because they weren't stronger than him. Here Zoro being too strong actually creates a new side to his personality and then even leads to one of the best scenes in all of Punk hazard with the cutting Monet thing. The entire tension of that scene was due to how much stronger Zoro was than Monet and Monet misreading his Restraint as him just not having the guts to cut her at all. I mean I know you supposedly dislike every scene regarding "Zoro is cool tough guy" for whatever reason but this is a shonen battle manga and these are the scenes that typically make ALL shonen battle manga amazing.

Next was Zoro vs Pica which was also specifically written to highlight early on that Pica wasn't a match for Zoro in head to head combat and so Pica had to get creative and run and then Zoro had to also get creative to deal with a person who runs. See Now something new is happening. Oda is doing something new instead of the Daz bones fight or the Kaku fugt or the Ryuma fight THAT ALL END THE SAME WAY. All those fights are head on fights that end with Zoro pulling out a New random power at the very end to win. Have you noticed that? That Zoro always made NEW abilities seemingly out of thin air to win those fights? In fact they are so random that Oda blatantly chooses to ignore them now because of how random they are. The Fire ability against Ryuma and Ashura will probably never come back into the story since they were just random abilities like that.

And so with Pica Oda chooses to make the challenge different this time. Zoro doesnt need a random ability. Zoro's definitively stronger than this guy in head to head combat. The problem is travel speed and Area of effect. And so Oda has Zoro have an entire chapter of making a plan to beat this man and he end up doing it with AN EAST BLUE ATTACK. Yes, after 600 chapters of Zoro making up random powers to win his big fights that are too random to be explained or return, Zoro wins a major fight WITH AN ATTACK FROM EAST BLUE HE USED AGAINST MIHAWK. Oda for the first time doesn't need ass pulls specifically because ZORO WAS STRONGER ALREADY.

Anyway the point I'm getting at is Oda isn't doing these things without thinking about them. He chose that Pica was that weak so that he can do something new with how Zoro has to win. In Alabasta we have the chapter of Zoro's flashback and him tapping into haki and mystical sword techniques. In Dressrosa we have a chapter of a well laid out plan with pros and cons and even a twist regarding how Zoro utilises other people's abilities showing his leadership abilities too. It's different but is that a bad thing?

This is the central thing in all these arguments, is a different thing a bad thing? Like I too have pointed out that Zoro is different but what I don't get is how that means it's bad. His interactions with certain characters are much better because of it and there's new sides to Zoro shown and since the screen time is much less, Oda is making sure to utilise this screen time to do some interesting things. Things like this Zoro Yasu Hiyori business work much better when there's good enough screen time given to them. Zoro's lack of panel time with Yasu was felt by everyone to the point that the Anime actually created entire filler scenes for it and then Zoro's on panel interactions with Hiyori created pretty good moments like waking up with her on top of him or her crying into his chest when Yasu died or even that gag with Sanji and the Bounty poster. Actual screen time does do wonders and even post time skip Zoro who has changed has such good moments because Oda chose to have Zoro change for a reason so he could do new things with him.
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I asked whether you want me to explain to you what intelligence means in these situations. But I'll ask for money this time

He drew with nerfed killer, the upset stomach is pure headcanon, he fainted because of the hit he took from killer. So in essence all it took was one hit from each to take the other out. No need to cope like that, I do agree that him worrying about taking damage before the raid was nice but it’s still not enough. His pics fight was interesting tho. You made some strong points my friend. To me a draw is when each person takes the other out, that’s it. Or a stalemate. And hmm, I’ll have to remember the times zoro had internal conflict of just personal growth, if I have to say off the top of my head. I liked it when he swallowed his pride and bowed to mihawk while asking him to train him for his captains sake. I liked it when he Revealed that beneath his goofyness with he’ll and how they would treat luffy. That there is a limit to things for him in how one should disrespect his captain. I’ll think about more things but those are off the top of my head. And yes, I do want him to struggle and grow organically but in strenght like luffy did. Not magically be there with no rhyme nor reason and I don’t understand why anyone would want it to be that way ( some people around here acting as if him actually beating king and then going to fight kaido is a normal thing to do when luffy needed help against cracker and struggled to high heaven to beat katakuri and ended up half dead). Surely that would be boring no? The thing I enjoy about sword fights is the intensity, heck look at kingdom and shin for example. That dude is miles better than zoro imo. We actually got to see him struggle and fight and rise all the way to the top.
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People make no sense.

Hes more serious cause of the reality shock of being too weak in sabaody where they almost died.
This isnt the fun adventure of the the start of the series. Its war now.

Everyone experienced sabaody, heck luffy experienced even worse with impel down then ace. But guess wha? They all have retained their personalities and allow themselves to be vulnerable and open with their family(crew). We get none of that with zoro and it’s boring. Granted, when I was a kid I used to like badass stoic characters that basically only delivered one liners and never smiled. But it’s getting on my nerves that it’s the only thing zoro has been doing for the past 10 years now. Surely you would want him to have actual character depth no?

 

[HA001]

He drew with nerfed killer, the upset stomach is pure headcanon, he fainted because of the hit he took from killer. So in essence all it took was one hit from each to take the other out. No need to cope like that, I do agree that him worrying about taking damage before the raid was nice but it’s still not enough. His pics fight was interesting tho. You made some strong points my friend.
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Everyone experienced sabaody, heck luffy experienced even worse with impel down then ace. But guess wha? They all have retained their personalities and allow themselves to be vulnerable and open with their family(crew). We get none of that with zoro and it’s boring. Granted, when I was a kid I used to like badass stoic characters that basically only delivered one liners and never smiled. But it’s getting on my nerves that it’s the only thing zoro has been doing for the past 10 years now. Surely you would want him to have actual character depth no?

Luffy is trash for being the exact same after what he went through.
Losing his brother should have changed something no matter how minor.
You say you want him to be the exact same then say you want him have depth.
How is him never changing mean him having depth.
The rest of the crew dont have his responsibility. When luffys not able its him who has to step up. He has to be strong for everyone else.
I dont buy this he needs to laugh and joke more like before cause the situations not like before. They are heading to war after war.



Fwiw youre wrong about the killer fight too. As im sure @ImmaIvanoM is gonna respond ill leave it to him.

 

[Fujishiro]

Luffy is trash for being the exact same after what he went through.
Losing his brother should have changed something no matter how minor.
You say you want him to be the exact same then say you want him have depth.
How is him never changing mean him having depth.
The rest of the crew dont have his responsibility. When luffys not able its him who has to step up. He has to be strong for everyone else.
I dont buy this he needs to laugh and joke more like before cause the situations not like before. They are heading to war after war.



Fwiw youre wrong about the killer fight too. As im sure @ImmaIvanoM is gonna respond ill leave it to him.

I get your point about luffy but you’re wrong, sure he still acts carefree but he does take things seriously now. When tama asked about ace he straight up told her he was dead, no sugarcoating. Every instance he was in postkip he never was that particularly reckless, against kaido is the only one and that was because he legit thought his entire crew died. It would be completely out of character for him to remain cool after that. When I say that I want zoro like before and more depth I mean it how it is. He can still be serious when needed but actually have other emotions when they aren’t in a life or death situation. The guys face never changes.

 

[HA001]

I get your point about luffy but you’re wrong, sure he still acts carefree but he does take things seriously now. When tama asked about ace he straight up told her he was dead, no sugarcoating. Every instance he was in postkip he never was that particularly reckless, against kaido is the only one and that was because he legit thought his entire crew died. It would be completely out of character for him to remain cool after that. When I say that I want zoro like before and more depth I mean it how it is. He can still be serious when needed but actually have other emotions when they aren’t in a life or death situation. The guys face never changes.

Thats just not true.
You only have to go to him at ebisu town to see him smile or with yasu or when he saw luffy again. And thats just this arc.

Luffy has constantly been reckless again. He almost died in fi for one.
The adventures on hold until this 4 yonko arc is done. Its not the time for jokes.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

On the topic of humor and how Zoro is different from everyone else, I'd like to analyze the effectiveness of the same Joke. @Fujishiro @Sadistic Senpai

First I'll preface this by saying humor is greatly subjective and I for one have very little expertise in this. What I'm going to present for this argument is mostly anecdotal evidence.

This Otoko joke isn't that funny right? That's sort of the concensus I got from people when this chapter first came out. I watched a few reactions on YouTube even at the time and they I remember about three guys who specifically say this isn't funny while others just ignored it and very few actually chuckled a bit. There were also those few who are jaded as fuck and flat out said that Oda was forcing the humor in this scene by making everyone else laugh so hard. In fact just last week this was added into the anime for the first time and again even the Anime didn't make it better and there were youtubers who again said it seems a bit forced. This joke isn't that funny and it's weird how funny the straw hats find it Even falling and rolling over and everything

What is humurous though is the Zoro scene. That's deadpan humor and it gets delivered perfectly here with Zoro shutting down this little girl so abruptly that its almost even cruel. See things can be funny when they aren't goofy specifically because of contrasting with serious things. And what I find interesting is that toko's joke is still not funny in Zoro's scene but we were sort of led to believe that people just like it for some reason because of the previous scene with the rest of the crew. We expect A similar reaction to some extent from Zoro since its the same unfunny joke yet it made people laugh before and when it's shut down for being called unfunny the entire scene gets actually funny itself.

I think Oda literally made this exaggerated reaction from the strawhats to this unfunny joke specifically so that Zoro calls it out later on. Or he could've genuinely have found the joke funny at first and thought it appropriate for everyone to react so wildly to it and then later decided to get extra mileage from this joke by having Zoro not react to it. Who knows. But the point is the contrast is what makes it humorous. Zoro contrasting against the previous scene by being so cold makes the it funny and that's good writing as well.

Out of context you would say Zoro is being needlessly cold and spout "Zoro is just a brick wall" or whatever and yet there's an actual framework Oda is working in to write these things. And given how Zoro is with her later on, you would also have to willingly ignore the times Zoro does care for Toko in serious situations to still maintain that he has no regard for her just because of an out of context line.

Humor works within contexts and saying Zoro isn't funny just because he isn't goofing off like before is ignoring the context Oda is trying to put Zoro's "cool tough guy"-ness in to create actual humor. Things like Zoro and Law dismissing the exaggerated memorial of Ryuunosuke creates a contrast to make the entire scene funnier. Just pulling Zoro out of context in that scene and ignoring things like him also supporting Ryuunosuke as they climbed the elephant is being very disingenuous. Things like Zoro not finding Tontatta cute like everyone else supposedly because he's so cold while ignoring the fact that his introduction to them was Wicca stealing his swords which we know naturally is supposed to piss Zoro off.

These types of very shallow disingenuous arguments against Zoro's characer in things as basic as Humor are the ones that lead me to believe this is all just a meme. Like people sort of don't care in general and then find some cheap slogan to latch on to and repeat it and then it all just becomes a meme, repeated semblances of ideas with no actual thought put into them

 

[Shura]

stop it.....Zoro is as reckless as Luffy....just because he is keeping dumb serious face doesn't mean that he is mature and careful in new world all the time....

Luffy is reckless in destroying ship to which he "almost" died because of his blood loss.....being reckless and gambling life are two different things.....he himself said he likes to take his chances....

now don't sugarcoat....Zoro is as reckless as Luffy....few instances....

1) In the same FI arc, he got caught by Hody and Co....
2) Yeti cool brothers case just like Luffy Caesars case
3) He lost his sword in DR.....
4) He wants to fight Fujitora
5) He lost his sword again in Wano and became wanted man in no time even before the arrival of Luffy
6) He was severely wounded because he let his guard down.....
7) He attacked Orochi in public....lucky for him Kaido didn't come all the way to the capital city

 

[Garp the Fist]

A quick look through the first two volumes of Wano reveals that claims that "Zoro doesn't smile anymore" are, in fact, bullshit

http://imgur.com/a/DNQC17y

Now, after this he runs into Hiyori and Yasu dies, so I'm not expecting much chuckles from there, but the man is not some emotionless robot

 

[Beerbottle]

This thread is titled "Zoro as a character (BY OP STANDARDS)" right? Isn't that in the title?

So when Oda decides to write his main cast as people who literally never ask anything about each other's personal lives unless the plot demands it, ISN'T THAT A STANDARD OF ONE PIECE CHARACTERS?

Geez what's lame is that the person who made the thread is the one who immediately lost the point of the thread he made.

Well if all we could do is say "oh well, its by OP Standards, and Oda writes his characters worse than he used to. So we can't say anything" That would make for one boring unnecessary thread now wouldn't it?

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

the upset stomach is pure headcanon

I mean Oda puts this upset stomach sfx bubble in the actual panel of Zoro passing out. So Do you think Oda put two things in the same panel that's supposed to be telling the same story for no reason OR do you think that's bubble doesn't actually represent an upset stomach, because I can find more of the same with Luffy if you want?

I’ll have to remember the times zoro had internal conflict of just personal growth, if I have to say off the top of my head. I liked it when he swallowed his pride and bowed to mihawk while asking him to train him for his captains sake

Oh but this is just implied isn't it? Like we don't hear any internal dialogue from Zoro about him actually mulling over his decision to bow down to Mihawk. That only happens in East blue. In that scene Zoro reads the newspapers about 3D2Y and then bows down to Mihawk. In fact you couldn't actually read any Pride was being lost here until mihawk himself just implies that Zoro went through some internal conflict. This scene without Mihawk having to imply anything plays out like the Kuma scene where Zoro is readily willing to do a thing and there's no hesitation or internal conflict as you want. The difference is that someone implies that Zoro's internal conflict happened. They are great scenes of course btw but they arent exactly what you said they were.

Therefore it's if its just IMPLIED internal conflict as long the scene is great then Zoro has alot of these all over the time skip. He does in fact hesitate to cut down Monet and his mental state itself becomes the driving factor behind the entire encounter with everyone guessing what he's thinking and he's restraining himself. It turns out that Zoro's IMPLIED internal conflict is resolved and we get a cool scene but on the tension of an IMPLIED internal conflict. Of course the conflict of should "I cut a weakling up or not" isn't as weighty as supposedly losing your pride or your life for another but its still the IMPLIED internal conflict you were talking about. In fact there's even a recent example of this with Zoro cutting up the Magistrate which is the inciting incident in the fall of the Strawhats' plan and the beginning of Wano. It's IMPLIED that Zoro has an internal conflict about whether to ruin the plan or let this magistrate fool get off free and unfortunately Zoro can't take the disrespect and BAM another classic scene. This is even more pronounced than that mihawk scene as I see it since Oda even gives us a one panel flashback of Kin'emon telling Zoro telling lay low and then Zoro even shows regret for his actions afterwards. That's much more concrete internal conflict than the IMPLIED stuff from before right? It's just that zoro the stakes aren't that high right? But then again the stakes aren't always supposed to be that high or else you risk making the entire thing melodramatic hence why there's so few of such scenes even pre time skip.

Again this comes back to people wanting high diff, high stakes stuff with Zoro and not him being stronger than everyone he faces and that's alright to want that but it has nothing to do with whether Zoro is a good character or not
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Oda writes his characters worse than he used t

This isn't true since Oda has NEVER EVER written them like that... at this very juncture LUFFY DOESN'T EVEN KNOW WHO BELLEMERE IS... Do you get that? 1000 chapters in and Luffy has no idea whatsoever about one of the biggest emotional highs of the entire East blue saga. He chose not to care about Nami's past and that's how he's been written since East blue. Not a single person knows who Kuina is besides Zoro, Sanji doesn't know who Kaya is, Chopper doesn't know who Tom is, Robin doesn't know who Makino is. That's how the main cast has always been written and if you are just releasing this now after 1000 chapters then I'm damn sure youre one of those guys who read all of one piece either half asleep or blitzed it in five days or something

 

[Beerbottle]

This isn't true since Oda has NEVER EVER written them like that... at this very juncture LUFFY DOESN'T EVEN KNOW WHO BELLEMERE IS... Do you get that? 1000 chapters in and Luffy has no idea whatsoever about one of the biggest emotional highs of the entire East blue saga. He chose not to care about Nami's past and that's how he's been written since East blue. Not a single person knows who Kuina is besides Zoro, Sanji doesn't know who Kaya is, Chopper doesn't know who Tom is, Robin doesn't know who Makino is. That's how the main cast has always been written and if you are just releasing this now after 1000 chapters then I'm damn sure youre one of those guys who read all of one piece either half asleep or blitzed it in five days or something

Well then he's always been writing them weird then
But I'm damn sure they used to talk about stuff going on with them far more pre ts than they do after ts.

I'm damn sure youre one of those guys who read all of one piece either half asleep or blitzed it in five days or something

Fuck off ^^

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

the man is not some emotionless robot

I'm telling you this entire thing is a meme. Someone made this a meme sometime back and it has spread like all meme do to whoever doesn't actually take the time to give it any thought.

And also, smiling isn't even the same as having emotions. Like getting angry is an emotion too, getting scared or embarassed or excited are all emotions... people for stick to the smiling thing because it's a meme and they don't that Zoro is no longer as goofy as he was and has actual complex emotions now that don't get expressed with goofy smiles all the time now
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Well then he's always been writing them weird then
But I'm damn sure they used to talk about stuff going on with them far more pre ts than they do after ts.

What do you mean by "stuff going on with them"? Because I've told you that they don't ever talk about their pasts or even general emotional states at any single time.

Most of the times their emotional states were conveyed to each other was actions. Stuff like Luffy and Zoro not fighting Bellamy or Luffy stopping Johnny and Yosaku from interfering with the fight with mihawk or Luffy just outright attacking Zoro after misunderstanding the whiskey peak situation. See that entire encounter was due to the fact that THEY DON'T TALK TO EACH OTHER ABOUT SUCH THINGS. They just do an action and they intuit what the other person is meaning from the action itself.

That's why the Ussop leaving the crew scene is especially effective. Because this time they actually did talk about everything and even then Sanji had to beat the shit out of Luffy and Ussop had to fight Luffy to convey their feelings with actions than words.

It seems you are forgetting a lot of shit dawg. Most of the actual interactions they had were them talking about the plot or goofing off or making plans or commenting about something they've witnessed.

They never talk about their backgrounds and emotions and now a whole thread has been made to criticise Zoro's character writing specifically for something that's written into the story for 1000 chapters already