General & Others How would you make Zoro a better character?
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Yes i'm wishing for it to change because i consider it as better for character development. Zoro saying that a weakling like Pica didn't deserve to fight Luffy while Zoro himself facing Pica, didn't show that Zoro's captain's strength as irrelevant factor to Zoro acknowledging Luffy's values as a captain. Zoro while trying to stop Birdcage then calling Luffy to beat Doflamingo, didn't signify that Zoro didn't acknowledge Luffy's superiority strength-wise. It actually implied that superior strength is an important factor for Zoro to consider Luffy s being his captain. So you saying that strength is irrelevant in Zoro's perspective, is subjective to your own wishful thinking.
You equalize my suggestion for Zoro's tiredness in straightening out the crew's slacking or inefficient behavior in important or life-and-death moments, to Nami's tiredness to Luffy's gags. Your view of my suggestion is wrong.
You equalize my suggestion for Zoro's tiredness in straightening out the crew's slacking or inefficient behavior in important or life-and-death moments, to Nami's tiredness to Luffy's gags. Your view of my suggestion is wrong.
And I said Zoro can't get tired because first of all he is too similar to Luffy to disagree with Luffy that much, secondly he respects Luffy way too much to actually get exasperated by his decisions and third he is a work horse BY NATURE. Zoro is not one to get tired of putting in work of any kind, he meditates for hours, trains for hours every single day so there's no way he can actually get tired of doing his job as vice captain to begin with if he's never gotten tired of being the guy who trains EVERY SINGLE DAY.
So again no, what you are suggesting is not a natural extension of Zoro's character at all and it's Nami who gets tired of Luffy. Nami gets tired of Luffy OUTSIDE of Gags as well. She got exasperated when Luffy decided to go to Punk hazard instead of following her navigational advice. That's not a gag, Luffy literally ignored his navigator to go on the most dangerous island he could find and that actually affected the plot and guess what, ZORO WAS ALL FOR IT. That's a whole scene of Luffy actively ignoring Nami outside of a gag and then Nami getting pissed about it and then Zoro siding with Luffy's dumb idea because they are both too alike to disagree even on dumb shit like that
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Zoro is reckless in the sense that he goes into a two V one while lacking one of his swords and starving and then tells one of the guys he's and fighting to wait his turn and then gets surprised that the guy he's fighting doesn't wait his turn and the two guys end up attacking at once.
Luffy is reckless in that hes single minded does whatever he wants without caring for the consequences like attacking caeser head on without considering what Caeser's powers are and not even taking precauting to knock case out first before he just grabs him in a bear hug
The difference may not be very aparent but it's there. They are both reckless but in their own ways.
For example there's the Charlos fiasco. Zoro tries to cut down Charlos for shooting at him for trying to help the guy Charlos had shot at. Luffy punches Charlos for shooting his friend. The two situations are similar and if you exchanged Zoro and Luffy between the situations the result would be similar but there would probably be slight differences. For one Zoro would've killed Charlos and Luffy wouldn't have stopped even if Bonnie tried to stop him
There's even Luffy and Zoro at Jaya. They were both Reckless by letting the Bellamy crew punk them around and if they weren't careful they could've suffered very serious injuries but Zoro was gonna chop Bellamy up from the get go and stopped because Luffy told him to. There's such small differences between them but they are there
So again no, what you are suggesting is not a natural extension of Zoro's character at all and it's Nami who gets tired of Luffy. Nami gets tired of Luffy OUTSIDE of Gags as well. She got exasperated when Luffy decided to go to Punk hazard instead of following her navigational advice. That's not a gag, Luffy literally ignored his navigator to go on the most dangerous island he could find and that actually affected the plot and guess what, ZORO WAS ALL FOR IT. That's a whole scene of Luffy actively ignoring Nami outside of a gag and then Nami getting pissed about it and then Zoro siding with Luffy's dumb idea because they are both too alike to disagree even on dumb shit like that
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Zoro is reckless in the sense that he goes into a two V one while lacking one of his swords and starving and then tells one of the guys he's and fighting to wait his turn and then gets surprised that the guy he's fighting doesn't wait his turn and the two guys end up attacking at once.
Luffy is reckless in that hes single minded does whatever he wants without caring for the consequences like attacking caeser head on without considering what Caeser's powers are and not even taking precauting to knock case out first before he just grabs him in a bear hug
The difference may not be very aparent but it's there. They are both reckless but in their own ways.
For example there's the Charlos fiasco. Zoro tries to cut down Charlos for shooting at him for trying to help the guy Charlos had shot at. Luffy punches Charlos for shooting his friend. The two situations are similar and if you exchanged Zoro and Luffy between the situations the result would be similar but there would probably be slight differences. For one Zoro would've killed Charlos and Luffy wouldn't have stopped even if Bonnie tried to stop him
There's even Luffy and Zoro at Jaya. They were both Reckless by letting the Bellamy crew punk them around and if they weren't careful they could've suffered very serious injuries but Zoro was gonna chop Bellamy up from the get go and stopped because Luffy told him to. There's such small differences between them but they are there
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well from Water 7 i saw that Zoro values the captain as the ones who stands firm on his decision and who sticks the crew together. That didn't oppose my previous point regarding Zoro's respect to Luffy's strength in Dressrosa arc, while you said that Zoro views the captain's strength as irrelevant due to the focus to Water 7 (regarding points other than strength) with less consideration to other arcs or moments.
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Zoro straightens up Luffy in Punk Hazard. While Luffy goes UFO Zoro said that he must take the NW seriously. Zoro also talked in Zou about the impending danger that is Kaidou. If you talk about getting tired everytime from Luffy's antics, no that's not what i mean.
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Zoro straightens up Luffy in Punk Hazard. While Luffy goes UFO Zoro said that he must take the NW seriously. Zoro also talked in Zou about the impending danger that is Kaidou. If you talk about getting tired everytime from Luffy's antics, no that's not what i mean.
As a huge Zoro fan and a dude who thinks pre timeskip One Piece is >>>>>>>> post timeskip One Piece, I’d say there’s literally ONE thing Oda needs to do to make Zoro a better character.
Continue writing him as the character he was pre timeskip, give him the interactions that define him, the Straw Hats barely have character moments that mean much for them as characters. Zoro’s only moment post timeskip is straightening Luffy up at Punk Hazard, and even though it was cool for Zoro, it annoyed me because Luffy shouldn’t need to be straightened up. After being completely outclassed at Marineford and Ace’s death, Luffy should’ve been far more serious as far as taking people seriously. I just wish we got moments where Zoro is far more instrumental in serving his role in the crew. I wish we just got more focus. More interactions, more character building. Zoro doesn’t even need to develop much, he developed enough in the pre timeskip, he just needs to continue being the person he was back then because now he’s just far too stoic and somewhat emotionless.
I’d like to think the reason why Zoro is so quiet and disconnected is because he has become FAR more serious now. After being brutally outclassed by Kuma and Kizaru, he hit rock bottom. He began questioning if he could truly achieve his ambition. He swallowed all of his pride and asked his sworn enemy to train him. All for the sake of becoming stronger and not having to lose or be outclassed again. Zoro is far more serious now because the events of Thriller Bark and Sabaody scarred him, they changed him and his behaviour. If only Oda would write this and show us Zoro saying he can’t afford to be outclassed again. If only Oda would show us pieces of Zoro’s character and delve into his mentality, like he used to in the pre timeskip.
Continue writing him as the character he was pre timeskip, give him the interactions that define him, the Straw Hats barely have character moments that mean much for them as characters. Zoro’s only moment post timeskip is straightening Luffy up at Punk Hazard, and even though it was cool for Zoro, it annoyed me because Luffy shouldn’t need to be straightened up. After being completely outclassed at Marineford and Ace’s death, Luffy should’ve been far more serious as far as taking people seriously. I just wish we got moments where Zoro is far more instrumental in serving his role in the crew. I wish we just got more focus. More interactions, more character building. Zoro doesn’t even need to develop much, he developed enough in the pre timeskip, he just needs to continue being the person he was back then because now he’s just far too stoic and somewhat emotionless.
I’d like to think the reason why Zoro is so quiet and disconnected is because he has become FAR more serious now. After being brutally outclassed by Kuma and Kizaru, he hit rock bottom. He began questioning if he could truly achieve his ambition. He swallowed all of his pride and asked his sworn enemy to train him. All for the sake of becoming stronger and not having to lose or be outclassed again. Zoro is far more serious now because the events of Thriller Bark and Sabaody scarred him, they changed him and his behaviour. If only Oda would write this and show us Zoro saying he can’t afford to be outclassed again. If only Oda would show us pieces of Zoro’s character and delve into his mentality, like he used to in the pre timeskip.
Feels like he's become more distant from the rest of the SH since the timeskip. 
Back then pre timeskip Zoro felt closer with Nami. When Nami constantly abused and annoyed Zoro (giving him loan with interest, forcing him to piggyback her in Alabasta).
Now they feel more distant and instead both bonding / interacting more with side characters. Zoro with Yasuie and Hiyori in Wano, Wicca in Dressrosa. Nami with Shirahoshi in FI, dumbass irrelevant kids in PH, and Shitnobu in Wano.
With Usopp too. When Usopp had problem carrying Dalton's big body and Zoro replaced him effortlessly. When Usopp said he's useless and can't keep up with the crew post Aokiji fight, Zoro calmed him. Now both characters don't interact as often anymore, thanks to side characters again, like the Tontattas.
Imagine playing an RPG with 2 discs
In first disc your party interact a lot and had dynamic. But in second disc, they interact less thanks to random irrelevant villagers they met in new town.
Zoro chastises Luffy all the time since pre time skip and that's all it is. You were saying that you expect Zoro to one day get exhausted of this and that's not within his character.... Zoro works hard at everything without giving up and so he will chastise Luffy to the end of time as well since that's his job
The only way Zoro would stop is if he loses respect for Luffy somehow which at this point Oda would have to through a ridiculous curve ball in the story for a situation like that to arise
The only way Zoro would stop is if he loses respect for Luffy somehow which at this point Oda would have to through a ridiculous curve ball in the story for a situation like that to arise
Zoro after the timeskip is the blandest straw hat imo, the dude has no personality except for muuh i act cool and look stoic. I wish he would act like he did pre skip and actually show emotions and idk interract with people. When he got lost,again, in wano i just facepalmed. The guy is such a bore to be honest and i dont get why people like his post time skip self that much. He hasnt done anything, nor been challenged. Id love to see the guy struggle and have moments of self doubt so he can grow stronger or just character development, but nothing. Nadda. Heck Chopper had more character moments than zoro and thats saying a lot.
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So basically he is a copy of luffy?
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So basically he is a copy of luffy?
Compared to pre skip the dude is basically a cardboard cutout of every badass stoic protagonist ever. He is extremely boring to be honest, I just wanna see more depth to him. I used to like him but now i don’t care about him at all. Have him interact with the others, show some semblance of emotion and actually struggle with himself and others to reach the top. We don’t need mihawk 2.0.