If your view is actually that Shanks has strongest CoC while Mihawk has strongest CoA, then we literally have no topic to debate about Shanks vs Mihawk, since that's literally my opinion since timeskip. You are setting Mihawk > Shanks by default instead tho? While i don't believe that Luffy's final opponent will not be stronger than Zoro's final opponent (in the same arc), and which fight happens earlier or later is still uncertain.
I also believe in narrative placement (when will this fight happen after this fight or before this fight, whose opponent is this guy and that guy) clearly more strongly than i believe in strongest titles, thats one of the core reasons for my view that Shanks > Mihawk.
I don't think in a clash like that, that their swords would ever touch in all honesty. But I can't see a Black Blade with Maximum CoA applied to it ever breaking.
If your view is actually that Shanks has strongest CoC while Mihawk has strongest CoA, then we literally have no topic to debate about Shanks vs Mihawk, since that's literally my opinion since timeskip. You are setting Mihawk > Shanks by default instead tho? While i don't believe that Luffy's final opponent will not be stronger than Zoro's final opponent (in the same arc), and which fight happens earlier or later is still uncertain.
I also believe in narrative placement (when will this fight happen after this fight or before this fight, whose opponent is this guy and that guy) clearly more strongly than i believe in strongest titles, thats one of the core reasons for my view that Shanks > Mihawk.
I mean it was recently revealed his CoC can disrupt an opponents observation haki. That's unheard-of. Plus what he did to aramaki was crazy tbh. Man was off island and to he managed to paralyze a marine admiral. Crazy when you consider it tbh
I mean it was recently revealed his CoC can disrupt an opponents observation haki. That's unheard-of. Plus what he did to aramaki was crazy tbh. Man was off island and to he managed to paralyze a marine admiral. Crazy when you consider it tbh
It's a movie and again where was shanks ever stated to be the best at any haki for his fans to over rate him to being a god haki user? And he didn't paralyze green bull if shanks could paralyze a admiral they are fodder to him. This is why shanks gets over rated. Green bull stopped because he didn't want to fight the equivalent of 3 yonko crews by himself once shanks arrived not that shanks paralyzed him.
It's a movie and again where was shanks ever stated to be the best at any haki for his fans to over rate him to being a god haki user? And he didn't paralyze green bull if shanks could paralyze a admiral they are fodder to him. This is why shanks gets over rated. Green bull stopped because he didn't want to fight the equivalent of 3 yonko crews by himself once shanks arrived not that shanks paralyzed him.
So Kaidou dismissed Mihawk and remembers Shanks whether you believe it or not? And Vista laughed at Mihawk whether you believe it or not? Mihawk run away from fodder Marines is a fact? Lousy way to argue if you ask me.
Yes, and Shanks as a Yonko who just recently said he is going for the One Piece, has the ambition to become the Pirate King. An achievement which, according to Mihawk himself is harder to achieve than surpassing Mihawk. Which means
becoming PK > surpassing Mihawk > being equal to Mihawk
Mihawk rejected the Yonko title not because it isn't a great title, but because he, according to himself, wants to live peacefully, meaning, he doesn't have the ambition to conquer the world.
Also, don't you always say that power wise, Rayleigh = Roger, even though Rayleigh is a subordinate to Roger, who arguably has the greatest ambition of all?
Okay you know how Zoros attack with CoC destroyed kings sword.
What if Mihawk gets Yoru with his maximum Haki output CoA + CoC and Shanks get his sword with maximum Haki output CoA + CoC and they clash their strongest attacks.
mate ... saying Mihawk > Shanks is fine ... saying Mihawk has better CoC is just ... standing on a grave
anyone ... and I mean anyone who actually read the story knows Shanks is Oda's most impotant CoC guy
once again as we speak
Shanks is top 1 best CoC user ever
Mihawk is not even confirmed CoC user
Shanks is planning to obtain the one piece aka become pirate king
Mihawk allied himself with crocodile. Something that mutually benefit both of them. Them letting buggy keep the credit because they want to be left alone
So Kaidou dismissed Mihawk and remembers Shanks whether you believe it or not? And Vista laughed at Mihawk whether you believe it or not? Mihawk run away from fodder Marines is a fact? Lousy way to argue if you ask me.
mate ... saying Mihawk > Shanks is fine ... saying Mihawk has better CoC is just ... standing on a grave
anyone ... and I mean anyone who actually read the story knows Shanks is Oda's most impotant CoC guy
once again as we speak
Shanks is top 1 best CoC user ever
Mihawk is not even confirmed CoC user
So I like Shanks I really do and this isn't an attempt to downplay Shanks but to calm down his wank just a little bit. I don't mean to have @Red Admiral go crazy once again and start wishing deaths on Zoro fans lol (Jk bro I like you) but I think the wank is getting just a tad bit out of control.
I think Shanks conqueror's Haki is strong, obviously one of the strongest in the World but to suggest he has strongest conqueror's Haki of all time and no one besides Roger and Xebec even comes close doesn't sit well with me.
I have following issues with Shanks having strongest Conqueror's Haki of all time and even same level as Roger's
Just look at what conqueror's Haki actually is
Shanks doesn't have Gol D Roger's Ambition
As Rayleigh describes it, one of the biggest aspects of Conqueror's Haki is changing the world, associating it with the ambition. I always fail to understand what Shanks ambition is. What has he truly done besides becoming an emperor?
And becoming an emperor is great but following long list of people have done that as well
-Whitebeard
-Kaido
-Big Mom
-Blackbeard
-Buggy
-Luffy
It seems to be about as common as Warlord these days and apparently it is not very hard to become an emperor for a top tier either as Mihawk recently just casually rejected the yonko title and to get Yonko title he just had to kill Buggy
Pirate King title how ever has been portrayed as end all be all of all the Pirate ambitions. Everyone wants to be Pirate King, all four Yonko are in the race to be Pirate King, as a matter of fact the latest chapter shows even Shanks himself is trying to get One Piece. Well is he gonna get it? Lets see.
Shanks Swordsmanship is Surpassed by Mihawk's
Well this one Shanks fans really not gonna like because for years they have been struggling to separate Haki from Swordsmanship and create a non existent idea of Hakimanship but reality is Haki and Swordsmanship goes hand in hand.
It can't be denied that Shanks has been confirmed a swordsman by Oda himself unlike King and unlike King Shanks doesn't have a devil fruit
A swordsman has to be a Hakiman and as the manga progresses, we learn more and more important things that are needed to become Strongest Swordsman in the World through Zoro's journey and the biggest development as a Swordsmanship that Zoro has learned is King of Hell
King of Hell is the powerup based entirely on Zoro incorporating Advanced Conqueror's Haki with his blades to make his attack power stronger and his blades more durable. Zoro's Haki was much stronger than King's and that's why when Zoro's Haki clashed with King's Haki coated Sword, King's sword broke into two pieces. If Shanks conqueror's Haki is superior to Mihawk's, when both of them go all out with their Haki and thier blades clash, Mihawk's Yoru would break. And if Shanks can break Yoru then Mihawk's swordsmanship doesn't surpass Shanks and Mihawk is not the strongest Swordsman in the World.
Not to mention Mihawk's ambition is superior, his title is superior and having grand ambition is one of the biggest aspect of Conqueror's Haki
Rayleigh has made bigger name for himself than Shanks
It is another manga fact that Straw Hats had no idea who Yonko and Admirals were, they didn't even know the concept of Yonko title and Luffy knows Shanks only because I mean he's met him as a kid
The point about Rayleigh being more famous than Admirals is irrelevant to the thread but prove is they didn't know who Aokiji was, who Kizaru was or what being an Admiral truly means. I think they learned that shit from Nico Robin but either way this is thread about Shanks
Rayleigh name is known by all Straw hats, his name is known in all the books of history
And it isn't just Rayleigh riding Roger's Coattails, no one knows Oden or Marco, Whitebeard's RHM candidates, no one knows Crocus, Oden not being known by Straw hats is also a double W for Rayleigh because he traveled with Roger as well.
And considering Zoro's bounty is 1/3rd of Luffy's I am not even sure how much clout Ray is getting from Roger' name. Thing is Rayleigh played a huge part in changing the world as Roger's partner as Roger asked him to. Roger would no be pirate king without his right hand man.
They have gone around the World, they have attained knowledge of void century and Rayleigh has accumulated such a name value that an Emperor shivers and sweats in his pre
sence when he is 80 years old, completely retired and no where near his Prime.
He can order a Yonko around and Marines around to leave the Island and they obey him.
Such is the name The Dark King has made for himself
It doesn't help that to put a cap on this all, Oda himself thinks Old and Rusty Rayleigh's Conqueror's Haki compares to Shanks. Again his Haki at that age must be no where near his Prime
Shanks doesn't command the kinda people that Rocks D Xebec does
I mean same thing applies to Roger as well, Rayleigh's worth alone is more than worth of Benn Beckman and rest of Red Hair pirates combined but one crew that is head and shoulders above Shanks is Rocks Pirates.
Rocks has who's who of One Piece Pirate History in his crew
And one of the aspects of Conqueror's Haki is to make strong people follow you. No one in history done it the way Rocks has. Well Buggy is exception to that rule of course
Kaido uses Roger as an Example of Peak CoC
So Shanks has fought Kaido and we know that as he has Shanks among 5 people who can fight him
But he never separated Shanks Conqueror's Haki from Oden's, he never suggested Shanks can do any more damage to him than Oden can.
He how ever went out of his way to highlight Gol D Roger's Conqueror's Haki
SOME RED HAIR FAN ARGUMENTS
"Shanks is always associated with his Conqueror's Haki and he's shown it in chapter 1"
Umm yeah sure but don't look at things from tunnel vision, yes Shanks was showing Haki in chapter 1 but he was literally introduced in chapter 1. Of course he is associate with Haki but he's not the only one.
First piece of action Silver's Rayleigh did and it was literally in his introduction chapter was Flex his conqueror's Haki while he was in chains
First thing Gol D Roger did was show people use of Advanced Conqueror's Haki
"Oda used Shanks to show Conqueror's Haki to users"
Yes and he used Silver's Rayleigh to teach Conqueror's Haki not just to Luffy but to readers as well. We understand what Conqueror's Haki is now through Silvers Rayleigh
"Shanks has the best feats of CoC"
Well I say that is debatable at best. I don't know how useful Shanks going all out with his CoC and giving an Admiral a vibration at best is in combat, but we literally haven't seen Mihawk go all out with his Haki, Rayleigh go all out with his Haki, Bajrang Gun, Roger vs Whitebeard etc was showing more CoC Potency.
There are many different aspects of CoC and just one feat doesn't shown anything.
How do you know Rayleigh can't do that?
Roger can't do that?
Conclusion
I think all and all Shanks has a very strong Haki, probably top 5 of all time but I don't think he has the strongest Haki
I think at least following people have stronger CoC than him
-Roger
-Xebec
-Rayleigh
-Mihawk
Few other people who potentially surpass him are Dragon, Garp, Ryuma and Joy Boy
Bro, Mihawk's ambition isn't higher than Shanks. Shanks is going for the One Piece.
Mihawk himself admitted that becoming Pirate King (finding One Piece) is harder than surpassing himself.
Shanks is stronger than Mihawk, the hints are all there. (Just look at heights. Both Zoro and King are 1cm higher than their rivals Sanji and Queen.
Shanks is 1cm higher than Mihawk, and we know Oda doesn't play around with numbers. If you disagree, you are just hard coping and there is no meaning to discuss this any further.
You are literally showing why shanks is overrated. So now he has CoC that paralyzes admirals? Why the hell hasn't shanks taken over the world if he can do this to some of the strongest in the world casually. And you want to talk about a movie on top of that? So Luffy was stronger than the old gen pre time skip because he beat shiki without gears in a movie right? Don't be a hypocrite either.
So Kaidou dismissed Mihawk and remembers Shanks whether you believe it or not? And Vista laughed at Mihawk whether you believe it or not? Mihawk run away from fodder Marines is a fact? Lousy way to argue if you ask me.
I don't care what Kaido says. BB said he was the strongest while fighting Ace. What that got to do with facts. Oda already confirmed Mihawk title in real
I don't care what Kaido says. BB said he was the strongest while fighting Ace. What that got to do with facts. Oda already confirmed Mihawk title in real
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