Future Events If ZKK doesn't happen then

[Sugimoto 14]

Failed to Fulfill Ryuuma comparison
Failed to be as big as Ryuma in his own home country (sword god lol)
Failed to avenge Ushimaru who is killed by Kaido
Failed to cut Kaido to pieces as he says
Failed to live to fate when bringing Shusui back (he brought Shusui back so Luffy can win )
Failed to make Kaido fall down as said in chapter 1010
Vivre cards are bullshit (Oni Hunter my ass)
Failed to avenge Yasui when Orochi killed him
Sat out for 10 chapters just to beat King who was losing to Marco 90% of the time

Zoro is compared to Ryuma because Ryuma was once WSS. Zoro will also be WSS End of series.

Why would Zoro be more popular than Luffy, who will lead the re-opening of Wano and be Wano's savior?

Zoro will beat King who is Kaido's right hand. That is a huge accomplishment. He does not need to directly beat Kaido to "avenge" Ushimaru.

He said he would "cut" Kaido to pieces BEFORE the rooftop fight. Turns out he wasn't nearly strong enough for that. That was just trash talk by Zoro.

The Oni Hunter is from Vivre card, not an actual dialogue. It was a red herring by Oda. U can accept a story will have red herrings right?

He is avenging Yasui/his family by CONTRIBUTING HEAVILY to the raid. He beat Apoo, damaged Kaido, and will beat King. These are HUGE feats by Zoro.

Beating Kaido is not necessary. Too high of an expectation...
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ZKK had a chance of happening during the Rooftop fight.

But once Oda split up the Supernova from Luffy, ZKK was over.

 

[HA001]

Zoro is compared to Ryuma because Ryuma was once WSS. Zoro will also be WSS End of series.

Why would Zoro be more popular than Luffy, who will lead the re-opening of Wano and be Wano's savior?

Zoro will beat King who is Kaido's right hand. That is a huge accomplishment. He does not need to directly beat Kaido to "avenge" Ushimaru.

He said he would "cut" Kaido to pieces BEFORE the rooftop fight. Turns out he wasn't nearly strong enough for that. That was just trash talk by Zoro.

The Oni Hunter is from Vivre card, not an actual dialogue. It was a red herring by Oda. U can accept a story will have red herrings right?

He is avenging Yasui/his family by CONTRIBUTING HEAVILY to the raid. He beat Apoo, damaged Kaido, and will beat King. These are HUGE feats by Zoro.

Beating Kaido is not necessary. Too high of an expectation...

The raid isn't to beat kaido its to kill kaido
Wano doesn't want to beat kaido it wants him dead
3 gens of wano yasu scabbards and Oden all said about cutting kaidos head off
No zoro is ryumas direct descendant
Ryuma who we are told slayed a dragon above a capital
Now we got a dragon who will soon be above a capital that all of wano wants to be slain
He needs to kill kaido to avenge his dad who kaido killed

 

[Aknolagon]

There are two scenarios for zkk
Zoro kill a non defeated kaido- can’t happen since this is luffy piece
Or zoro kill a defeated kaido- dishonorable

How and what is dishonorable ? Lmao !

It's not samurai code and it's not a kill steal. You think zoro gonna pop up front of Luffy and kill kaido ? Lol!

Tell me if Kaido is on rampage mode because he got defeated and luffy is on EL or TB state (can't move/sleep), who do you think gonna take charge of Kaido and close his chapter ? Marco ? Yamato ? Momo ? So any of them can stop kaido but that's not dishonorable right ?

You think Zoro will be like "oh damn kaido is killing people, but I shouldn't do anything because that's dishonorable for some readers ?"

 

[Tai long]

How and what is dishonorable ? Lmao !

It's not samurai code and it's not a kill steal. You think zoro gonna pop up front of Luffy and kill kaido ? Lol!

Tell me if Kaido is on rampage mode because he got defeated and luffy is on EL or TB state (can't move/sleep), who do you think gonna take charge of Kaido and close his chapter ? Marco ? Yamato ? Momo ? So any of them can stop kaido but that's not dishonorable right ?

You think Zoro will be like "oh damn kaido is killing people, but I shouldn't do anything because that's dishonorable for some readers ?"

Kaido being on rampage because luffy can’t move means luffy lost you don’t win and your opponent can move while you can’t

 

[Shishi]

Kaido being on rampage because luffy can’t move means luffy lost you don’t win and your opponent can move while you can’t

Luffy even pushing Kaido to that point should be considered a win. He went from getting negged to splitting the sky with kaido just because he got his balls crushed by CoC and he ate some meat.

The world's strongest creature who is thought to be unkillable isn't bowing out of the story just because he got punched hard. Kaido has to die because jail is definitely not an option either

 

[Aknolagon]

Kaido being on rampage because luffy can’t move means luffy lost you don’t win and your opponent can move while you can’t

When in this arc, Oda enlightens how Zoan users are recovering themselves faster ? Anything can happen but the WSC lying on the ground with white eyes because he got knocked out is what we call weird and dishonorable for his status.

Don't forget what Shimizu (from toei) said :

Is Luffy defeating Kaido end of wano that surprising ? Lol!

 

[ConquistadoR]

tbh all of this beast DF is ridiculous lmao, fish but dragon, dragon but dino/ptero, etc etc.

They all make perfect sense in the Japanese context, the main audience for Oda's manga, and the Viz translators have no right to change the contents.

Only one fandom and just that one particular fandom is dumb and scared enough to call a Pteranadon, a dragon.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

When in this arc, Oda enlightens how Zoan users are recovering themselves faster ? Anything can happen but the WSC lying on the ground with white eyes because he got knocked out is what we call weird and dishonorable for his status.

Don't forget what Shimizu (from toei) said :

Is Luffy defeating Kaido end of wano that surprising ? Lol!

Would Zoro killing Kaido, which thousands of fans have been arguing for years now using all these "Foreshadows and hints" that Oda has been "blatantly" and "obviously" riddling the manga with.... Be that surprising?

Seriously. Tons of fans, not even just ZKK believers, think that Kaido is going to die by Wanos end by some means or another. So how exactly would his death be surprising?

 

[The White Crane]

1. Killing a person who is already defeated is generally a dishonorable thing to do and Oda wants to keep the straw hats the good guys.

Can I see proof of this?

There is literally no problem at all with Zoro executing a defeated Kaido, so I don't know why ZKK detractors keep bringing up the "Zoro will not kill a defeated opponent because that's dishonorable" argument. :zorothink:

And good guys don't mean saints, despite Luffy being the Pirate Jesus. Shanks established that in literally the first chapter, and Luffy reiterated this in his fight against Katakuri that he does not expect fairness in a fight between pirates. As far as Luffy is concerned, if Kaido got his head cut clean off by Zoro after Luffy is done pummeling Kaido, that's Kaido's own fault.
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Among a myriad of other more apparent reasons, Zoro will not kill a sympathetic character https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...acter-zkk-will-not-happen.17699/#post-1928083

Good thing Kaido is not sympathetic. :cheers:

 

[mugiwalaw]

They all make perfect sense in the Japanese context, the main audience for Oda's manga, and the Viz translators have no right to change the contents.

Only one fandom and that one particular fandom is dumb and scared enough to call a Pteranadon, a dragon.

so Zoro killing King is enough to fulfill Ryuma killed dragon since pteranadon is also a dragon?

 

[Blahmigooo]

When in this arc, Oda enlightens how Zoan users are recovering themselves faster ? Anything can happen but the WSC lying on the ground with white eyes because he got knocked out is what we call weird and dishonorable for his status.

Don't forget what Shimizu (from toei) said :

Is Luffy defeating Kaido end of wano that surprising ? Lol!

If ZKK happens will that be surprising? As most Z-tards say it's inevitable
Or if Momo kills Kaido, which is more surprising?

 

[Human D Luffy]

If Kaido needs to be killed, then zoro will be the one to do it. Plain and simple.

 

[ConquistadoR]

so Zoro killing King is enough to fulfill Ryuma killed dragon since pteranadon is also a dragon?

What? Pteranadon is not a dragon lol. Only Sanji fans love to use that argument and pretend that it makes sense.

 

[mugiwalaw]

What? Pteranadon is not a dragon lol. Only Sanji fans love to use that argument and pretend that it makes sense.

but you said it makes perfect sense in japanese context? im confuse right now

 

[Halyup]

If ZKK happens will that be surprising? As most Z-tards say it's inevitable
Or if Momo kills Kaido, which is more surprising?

Yes coz thats never happen before

 

[ConquistadoR]

tbh all of this beast DF is ridiculous lmao, fish but dragon, dragon but dino/ptero, etc etc.

Dinosaur devil fruits are called Ryu Ryu no mi because Kyoryu , the term for dinosaurs in Japanese contains the Kanji for Dragon (Ryu). In literal translation, Kyoryu means scary dragons.

Kaido's devil fruit is Uo Uo no Mi, model: Seiryu. That's exactly like Kaku's devil fruit, Ushi Ushi no Mi, model: Giraffe and Ushi means Ox. If Kaido's a fish, then Kaku's an Ox and we know damn well both are not true. It is the model that counts, Kaido is a Seiryu, Kaku is a Giraffe and King is a Pteranadon, not a dragon.

 

[mugiwalaw]

Dinosaur devil fruits are called Ryu Ryu no mi because Kyoryu , the term for dinosaurs in Japanese contains the Kanji for Dragon (Ryu). In literal translation, Kyoryu means scary dragons.

Kaido's devil fruit is Uo Uo no Mi, model: Seiryu. That's exactly like Kaku's devil fruit, Ushi Ushi no Mi, model: Giraffe and Ushi means Ox. If Kaido's a fish, then Kaku's an Ox and we know damn well both are not true. It is the model that counts, Kaido is a Seiryu and Kaku is a Giraffe.

oh i see, that was the kind of explanation that i wait, since i lack of vivre card kind of stuff information lmao, thanks btw.

 

[Shepherd]

Failed to Fulfill Ryuuma comparison
Failed to be as big as Ryuma in his own home country (sword god lol)
Failed to avenge Ushimaru who is killed by Kaido
Failed to cut Kaido to pieces as he says
Failed to live to fate when bringing Shusui back (he brought Shusui back so Luffy can win )
Failed to make Kaido fall down as said in chapter 1010
Vivre cards are bullshit (Oni Hunter my ass)
Failed to avenge Yasui when Orochi killed him

Not one of these require Zolo to actually kill Kaido, all of these can be achieved by Zolo landing some legendary scar on Kaido and becoming infamous for it.

Sat out for 10 chapters just to beat King who was losing to Marco 90% of the time

Yeah, reality hurts doesn't it? Zolo was always a YC level fighter, you Zotards just didn't want to accept it.

 

[Halyup]

Not one of these require Zolo to actually kill Kaido, all of these can be achieved by Zolo landing some legendary scar on Kaido and becoming infamous for it.





Yeah, reality hurts doesn't it? Zolo was always a YC level fighter, you Zotards just didn't want to accept it.

Let see how reality will hits ya at the end of Wano

 

[Shepherd]

Let see how reality will hits ya at the end of Wano