Character Discussion If Zoro fans weren’t toxic would he get any hate?

[kumae]

He is still getting hate though
Look at this two comments over here
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This Is the only thing they can say about him
Mid character because muh he only fights he doesn't have deep moments when mofos doesn't know what is deep to begin with
Anyways don't surprise me at the end this is why this comunity is super toxic short minds with low reading comprenhension

There is toxicity in every fan base and the truth is that nowadays people write their manga in order to create those heated arguments with no end, because it works perfectly and they gain more lol.
It's not "that fan base is toxic" it's just argument after argument has created internet "Vendetta's".
The thing i don't understand and i completely disagree is that zoro is a character with no depth and all that shit but i believe that is also part of the hate that this character gets.

Exactly as I said
Read my quote up
Other thing is that Zorofans apparently are guilty of everything when something happens they are the only ones to blame when I've been in conversations from years ago and the only "fiasco" was ZKK and they only haunt them from this And the others acts like victims just like the never start the bittery

 

[RyumaZoro]

I’m a Luffy Fan first and a Sanji fan. Go find one comment of me shitting on zoro. And me saying that ZKK will not happen or Zoro will not fight kizaru on egghead is not me shitting on him. Just me being logical. And of course there are Sanji fans that shit in Zoro and I find it just as annoying.

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I didn’t know that Sanji fans started it. I’ve been here for a few years but ever since I’ve been here the zoro fans(not all of them) couldn’t be reasoned with. For me it was always clear that Zoro>Sanji it’s just the difference I don’t believe to be as big as Zoro fans claim it is. I do honestly believe that lufffy right now is quite a bit stronger but only for the reason that Luffy is close to his EOS strength and zoro will need one or two more fights like against king, where he gets pushed a lot to unlock his full potential. EOS Luffy will be stronger and potentially be at a level that not even Roger, Garp, WB, xebexs have reached and Zoro will be at that level. Which is a level that I put slightly above Yonkou/Admiral.

This has started before WG it was from OJ and things got worse on WI .

the most toxic agenda is the yonko one cuz never made sense since manga has pirates vs marines meaning top pirates = top marines but meh

 

[Manos. AsuraZoro]

Exactly as I said
Read my quote up
Other thing is that Zorofans apparently are guilty of everything when something happens they are the only ones to blame when I've been in conversations from years ago and the only "fiasco" was ZKK and they only haunt them from this And the others acts like victims just like the never start the bittery

I completely agree with everything you said.
It's not like people will change anytime soon but you shouldn't care either 😉.
Zoro is in the middle of the storm for what he is and he is definitely not a character with no depth or personality.
Oda is fixing they so called depth characters for years now.

 

[kumae]

I completely agree with everything you said.
It's not like people will change anytime soon but you shouldn't care either 😉.
Zoro is in the middle of the storm for what he is and he is definitely not a character with no depth or personality.
Oda is fixing they so called depth characters for years now.

I swear to god they don't even know what is depth to begin with 🤣

 

[zorovsanji]

no, zolo fans hate shanks, admirals, yonko, they hate almost everyone except for sword users. no sanji fan believes sanji is main character of OP but a lots zolo fans believe it. their minds've just gone out too far of human morality

Who said he's the main character? The problem with you guys is you equate MC = strongest.

 

[DonWick]

Can confirm. I'm a Sanji fan who knows a lot of great things about his character writing that most people don't, but still well-aware of his actual powerlevel and not wank his strength beyond what it is.



Or be like me, separate Emperor level into several tiers, just like how we split Commander level into 3/4 categories.

For me, the likes of Zoro Yamato Law Kidd are now currently low Emperor.
GB/BM for example is mid Emperor.
And so on.

I believe separting emperor level into tiers saturates the ranking. I’m order to be emporer level you have to be able to take big mom to extreme diff solo. I don’t believe any of those characters can.

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Ehh, I don't think Zoro fans on average go after yonko, admirals etc. There are individuals within the fanbase which do so, which can be found anywhere.
Shanks is a thing, but that's on the whole Mihawk/Shanks fiasco. And again, it's on both sides really. Reality is, no matter who is stronger, it is going to be a 100/99 thing, Oda won't have it any other way, they are the only true rivals on the series aside from Roger/WB.

The average Zoro fan fight is against Luffy and Sanji fans with some Law sprinkled in, which goes both ways really due to the nature of agenda wars.



When will you acknowledge that Sanji fans do the same as well?

Zoro fans find you guys as annoying as you find Zoro fans.

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Yeah, this really.

They just annoy more fanbases cause Zoro is in the sandwitch position for agendas.

Sanji fans fans try to tie Sanji to Zoro and tie all of his opponents to Zoro ignoring feats completely. The difference is Zoro fans try to down play everyone that isn’t a swordsman to overhype Zoro. Zoro fans have no limits Sanji fans stop at Zoro for the most part.

 

[AER15]

Living rent free in people head causes either hate or love

 

[RoronoaZorro]

I believe separting emperor level into tiers saturates the ranking. I’m order to be emporer level you have to be able to take big mom to extreme diff solo. I don’t believe any of those characters can.

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Sanji fans fans try to tie Sanji to Zoro and tie all of his opponents to Zoro ignoring feats completely. The difference is Zoro fans try to down play everyone that isn’t a swordsman to overhype Zoro. Zoro fans have no limits Sanji fans stop at Zoro for the most part.

But at least there are 2 categorization for Emperor level, lower & upper. One is for the majority of top tiers, and the latter should be for a few endgame characters.

 

[JoNdule]

Yes he would.

If we have to look at it from a honest perspective, we need to look at the (unfortunate) position Zoro is at and also accept that it takes two to tango.

There are two primary portrayals/dynamics that Zoro has:
- Luffy/Zoro portrayal and dynamics. Zoro is introduced to us as a character who has will power built similar to Luffy. So much so that until Dresrossa arc, it was a common theme for Zoro to be confused as the captain. They often share panels together. Share parallels (old gen parallels, mid gen parallels, legend parallels)
- Zoro/Sanji portrayal and dynamics. They are constantly bickering with each other and competing. Got opponents in two arcs who have some rivalry between then (Kaku/Jyabura, King/Queen). They share panels together

The thing is, where Zoro stands between Luffy and Sanji is made ambiguous by design.
Obviously, logically there should be ways to get by the ambiguity, but Oda doesn't work based on this consistency. He wants Zoro to be someone who can stand along with Luffy when the situation calls for it, and he wants Sanji to be someone who can stand along with Zoro when the situation calls for it.
Blame Oda for this.

Now we come to the agendas.
It should be common knowledge and anyone intellectually honest here would accept that Luffy fans and Sanji fans share the same agenda - Zoro is closer to Sanji than to Luffy.

Then there are two more characters, who like Zoro, also share some portrayal/dynamics with Luffy: Law and Kid. The fans of these characters want their favs to be the ones with 'true' portrayal with Luffy, and want Zoro to be "just an underling".
You can see this argument very often coming from Law and Kid fans, who want to pair up Zoro with Sanji.

Now you see what is going on here. Even if there are no Zoro fans at all, there are four fanbases that would push agenda on Zoro regardless, due to the position Zoro occupies within the series:
- Luffy fans
- Sanji fans
- Law fans
- Kid fans (if they exist lol)


Now you add in the crazies of all fanbases, and we get what we have now. The only reason Zoro fans appear "overly toxic" is because they are fighting against FOUR OTHER fanbases, of which 3 are massive fanbases in the top 5 (Luffy/Sanji/Law).

But if we look objectively, the crazies in Zoro fans are no bigger crazies than those in Luffy or Sanji fanbase (Law fanbase tends to have less crazies relatively).
Just that, Luffy and Sanji crazies don't see each other, because they fight on the same side.

There you go, I gave you an explanation on this scenario as objective as I can here.

Nobody cared about zoro until you guys started claiming nonsense during DR
Everyone knew zoro is below Luffy and was content with that

Zoro fans are the biggest craziest fans
Sanji and luffy fans don't go making threats, insulting many, they don't pull up users pictures from their social networks them mock them

 

[Tapioca]

... pretty sure people who argue over stuff like this are just popular culture turds who don't actually care about the character

They don't even know Zoro or how he develops really they just want to hype a new popular culture thing

Honestly those people suck but they will always exist and it's called ADHD

The rest of us don't make issues like that

They will move on from Zoro to another popular culture character whoever happens to be popular and find some way to polarize the character

It's literally ONLY ADHD people who get affected by this stuff.

 

[Cruxroux]

Nobody cared about zoro

Try looking at the popularity polls and you will know.

 

[DonWick]

I can

But at least there are 2 categorization for Emperor level, lower & upper. One is for the majority of top tiers, and the latter should be for a few endgame characters.

agree that they aren’t all equal. I just don’t put those characters on that tier.

 

[Welkin]

@grey matter Perfectly summed it up

Zoro is caught in the middle of almost every agenda there is in the OP community. If anything he actually missed one

The whole Mihawk vs Shanks debate is one of the worst things that has plagued our community for at least a decade

Guess who's also caught in the middle of that? Zoro due to his connection to Mihawk

 

[Cruxroux]

I can

agree that they aren’t all equal. I just don’t put those characters on that tier.

All youkous are relative in strength.
There's like a minute gap between all of them.
Their isn't a fuckin tier gap between them.

Kaido and WB and Roger Falls in the same category.

 

[BattalGazi]

Zoro fan bad, San fan good.

 

[GrandmasterChef Zonji]

EOS Zoro > Roger
Rooftop Zoro > Luffy
ZKK
Mihawk vShanks
Luffy trash for not one shotting Lucci the Zoro doesn’t one shot Lucci
Zoro has better CoA than Luffy
Zoro has better ACoC than Luffy

Should i Post the thing about Luffy from Luffy's fans?

 

[DonWick]

All youkous are relative in strength.
There's like a minute gap between all of them.
Their isn't a fuckin tier gap between them.

Kaido and WB and Roger Falls in the same category.

I said they aren’t equal. You said gap. Then you proceed to say they aren’t equal. Boy you need help.

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Should i Post the thing about Luffy from Luffy's fans?

Sure idc what you post

 

[Cruxroux]

I said they aren’t equal. You said gap. Then you proceed to say they aren’t equal. Boy you need help.

Do you understand the meaning of relative in strength means? 🤡🤡🤡. I said there's "Minute" gap between them.

This fandom is seriously brain dead.

 

[DonWick]

Do you understand the meaning of relative in strength means? 🤡🤡🤡. I said there's "Minute" gap between them.

This fandom is seriously brain dead.

Did you read the post I’m the one debating that there aren’t tiers in Yonko level. They are all relative with some being weaker than the others but still relative. Read dumb ass.

 

[Cruxroux]

Did you read the post I’m the one debating that there aren’t tiers in Yonko level. They are all relative with some being weaker than the others but still relative. Read dumb ass.

You literally agreed to two categorisation of Yonkou tier 🤡🤡.