Controversial "Imu using a sword to kill Luffy isn't Hawk Eye upscale"

[Fn Lucci]

Its not a hypothetical, Luffy is weak to cutting not because its a specific weakness of his but its because he has immunity to blunt damage lol.

Thus by default cutting is his weakness.

Anyways you just wont answer my question wont you lol?

If he's less vulnerable to everything else (fire, lasers, blunt force, lightning, poison) then yes, it's a specific weakness. The very best chance you have against Luffy is using a sword/blade by everything we've seen, aside from maybe Blackbeard's powers and obviously dumping him into the sea.

Keep in mind that post time skip, when he was able to one shot a pacifista and keep up with Doflamingo, he specifically mentioned that his Haki wasn't strong enough to protect him from the blades of no names

 

[StocksInMihawk]

If you actually read the post, I did in fact call it a disingenuous comparison, just like how claiming Imu using a sword is Mihawk upscale is also disingenuous.

If you're going to make disingenuous claims then people are rightfully going to hit back with disingenuous slander and Mihawk gives such folks plenty to work if you decide to enter a match of disingenuous mud slinging. Lol.

If Oda wants us to believe Mihawk is indeed the strongest swordsman then there's no reason to give Imu an exception when he's using swords and sword attacks. In that regard, Mihawk should still be supreme. Not sure what's disingenuous about that, no one said Mihawk is stronger than Imu in anything outside of swords.

On the other hand, using Mihawk's feats at Marineford are obviously disingenuous for obvious reasons that have been hashed out for almost 2 decades. Anyone with reading comprehension knows that Mihawk was holding back significantly and the famous postponement has context behind it.

 

[nik87]

OP reaching 29th anniversary and scholars still failing to understand Zoro's and Mihawk's single purpose...

 

[Rootbeer]

Admirals aren't called "World's Strongest Devil Fruit Users" so no

World Strongest Awakening >>> World Strongest Swordsman..

 

[Rootbeer]

Swordsman..

 

[sanjikun]

This doesn't seem like a regular sword. It sucks the life out of everything around it.

 

[Fn Lucci]

OP reaching 29th anniversary and scholars still failing to understand Zoro's and Mihawk's single purpose...

Oda accidentally changed powerscaling forever by having Imu almost score a direct hit on Zoro, but he wasn't careless enough to imply any of that was possible weapon to weapon

This doesn't seem like a regular sword. It sucks the life out of everything around it.

This wouldn't diminish him as a fighter, but it would definitely put him much further down in the swordsman category

 

[StocksInMihawk]

This doesn't seem like a regular sword. It sucks the life out of everything around it.

It isn't the first sword with special abilities, we know that there are plenty of "cursed blades"

Enma sucks the life out of anyone who holds it, anyone too weak will be reduced to a husk

 

[nik87]

This doesn't seem like a regular sword. It sucks the life out of everything around it.

Just a better version of Enma.

 

[Owl Ki]

If Oda wants us to believe Mihawk is indeed the strongest swordsman then there's no reason to give Imu an exception when he's using swords and sword attacks. In that regard, Mihawk should still be supreme. Not sure what's disingenuous about that, no one said Mihawk is stronger than Imu in anything outside of swords.

Funnily enough, this is actually starting to sound similar to when the likes of Erkan talk about "pure sword skill only" and use that to downplay Mihawk while excluding a whole host of other characters from being swordsmen (e.g. like Law and Linlin) because their swordsmanship is tainted by devil fruit usage and thus aren't true swordsmen and don't come under the remit of Mihawk's title.

Look man, there are basically three main paths to interpret Mihawk post-Imu now:

1) Disciple of Erkan: Mihawk's title is World's Greatest Swordsman meaning he is the most skilled wielder of a blade, not the strongest. Anyone that uses a blade in combination with anything else like devil fruits (e.g. Law and Linlin), demonic shenanigans (Imu) or even just advanced Haki (e.g. Shanks, feckin somehow) don't count as swordsmen. Sword wielders and swordsmen aren't the same and Oda made a distinct difference if you autistically micro analyse words while ignoring context. All consistent followers of this train of logic will downplay Mihawk in general and will obviously consider Imu to be superior to him.

2) Scholar of Average Interpretations: Mihawk is the World's Strongest Swordsman, stronger than any other known sword wielder on the planet, regardless of other factors (e.g. devil fruit and Haki). Swordsmen and sword wielders are the same since Oda clearly isn't bothered about niggling dross like that. Imu is obviously a completely unknown individual to the world of One Piece, thus Mihawk's title can't be used to put him above Imu anymore than Kaido's now obviously defunct title or Whitebeard's equally defunct title can be used against Imu. Imu is probably stronger than Mihawk.

3) Acolyte of Nik: Any character that wields a sword, past or present, is automatically inferior to Mihawk due to his absolute omnipresent title that is a fundamental rule of reality within the world of One Piece. Imu uses a sword for his best attacks. Sword wielders and swordsmen are the same because Mihawk, Ryuma and Zoro are clearly Oda's favourite characters. Imu is a swordsman. Mihawk >>> Imu. GG Imu.

 

[Sentinel]

Powerscaling aside, what Imu shows in 1188 is that swords are and always were the only way to beat Luffy. He has Zoro for this reason, and Mihawk is the "final" gatekeeper for Zoro

If someone stabs your heart with a claymore, you ain't surviving it either. What kind of stupid logic is even that? 😂 Of course Luffy can be damaged by sharp weapons just like everyone else. It is described as a weakness because this dude has extremely high resistance to blunt force attacks.

Zoro and Kaido would be dead men as well if they took such a lethal injury... knowing it's OP, they'd be in a life-threatening situation at least.

 

[StocksInMihawk]

Funnily enough, this is actually starting to sound similar to when the likes of Erkan talk about "pure sword skill only" and use that to downplay Mihawk while excluding a whole host of other characters from being swordsmen (e.g. like Law and Linlin) because their swordsmanship is tainted by devil fruit usage and thus aren't true swordsmen and don't come under the remit of Mihawk's title.

Look man, there are basically three main paths to interpret Mihawk post-Imu now:

1) Disciple of Erkan: Mihawk's title is World's Greatest Swordsman meaning he is the most skilled wielder of a blade, not the strongest. Anyone that uses a blade in combination with anything else like devil fruits (e.g. Law and Linlin), demonic shenanigans (Imu) or even just advanced Haki (e.g. Shanks, feckin somehow) don't count as swordsmen. Sword wielders and swordsmen aren't the same and Oda made a distinct difference if you autistically micro analyse words while ignoring context. All consistent followers of this train of logic will downplay Mihawk in general and will obviously consider Imu to be superior to him.

2) Scholar of Average Interpretations: Mihawk is the World's Strongest Swordsman, stronger than any other known sword wielder on the planet, regardless of other factors (e.g. devil fruit and Haki). Swordsmen and sword wielders are the same since Oda clearly isn't bothered about niggling dross like that. Imu is obviously a completely unknown individual to the world of One Piece, thus Mihawk's title can't be used to put him above Imu anymore than Kaido's now obviously defunct title or Whitebeard's equally defunct title can be used against Imu. Imu is probably stronger than Mihawk.

3) Acolyte of Nik: Any character that wields a sword, past or present, is automatically inferior to Mihawk due to his absolute omnipresent title that is a fundamental rule of reality within the world of One Piece. Imu uses a sword for his best attacks. Sword wielders and swordsmen are the same because Mihawk, Ryuma and Zoro are clearly Oda's favourite characters. Imu is a swordsman. Mihawk >>> Imu. GG Imu.

It's the fourth path:

Mihawk is the world's strongest swordsman in name and reality, hence secret existences are irrelevant otherwise Oda would be lying to us

In terms of a sword fight, which includes haki, Mihawk beats everyone else

There is no "pure skill", this is just cope. Sword duels include haki

But in terms of an all out battle, something like Big Mom's Devil Fruit powers obviously aren't counted in a sword duel

 

[kekaro]

Funnily enough, this is actually starting to sound similar to when the likes of Erkan talk about "pure sword skill only" and use that to downplay Mihawk while excluding a whole host of other characters from being swordsmen (e.g. like Law and Linlin) because their swordsmanship is tainted by devil fruit usage and thus aren't true swordsmen and don't come under the remit of Mihawk's title.

Look man, there are basically three main paths to interpret Mihawk post-Imu now:

1) Disciple of Erkan: Mihawk's title is World's Greatest Swordsman meaning he is the most skilled wielder of a blade, not the strongest. Anyone that uses a blade in combination with anything else like devil fruits (e.g. Law and Linlin), demonic shenanigans (Imu) or even just advanced Haki (e.g. Shanks, feckin somehow) don't count as swordsmen. Sword wielders and swordsmen aren't the same and Oda made a distinct difference if you autistically micro analyse words while ignoring context. All consistent followers of this train of logic will downplay Mihawk in general and will obviously consider Imu to be superior to him.

2) Scholar of Average Interpretations: Mihawk is the World's Strongest Swordsman, stronger than any other known sword wielder on the planet, regardless of other factors (e.g. devil fruit and Haki). Swordsmen and sword wielders are the same since Oda clearly isn't bothered about niggling dross like that. Imu is obviously a completely unknown individual to the world of One Piece, thus Mihawk's title can't be used to put him above Imu anymore than Kaido's now obviously defunct title or Whitebeard's equally defunct title can be used against Imu. Imu is probably stronger than Mihawk.

3) Acolyte of Nik: Any character that wields a sword, past or present, is automatically inferior to Mihawk due to his absolute omnipresent title that is a fundamental rule of reality within the world of One Piece. Imu uses a sword for his best attacks. Sword wielders and swordsmen are the same because Mihawk, Ryuma and Zoro are clearly Oda's favourite characters. Imu is a swordsman. Mihawk >>> Imu. GG Imu.

Trtvh nuke

 

[Fn Lucci]

If someone stabs your heart with a claymore, you ain't surviving it either. What kind of stupid logic is even that? 😂 Of course Luffy can be damaged by sharp weapons just like everyone else. It is described as a weakness because this dude has extremely high resistance to blunt force attacks.

Zoro and Kaido would be dead men as well if they took such a lethal injury... knowing it's OP, they'd be in a life-threatening situation at least.

... Luffy is going to survive it. The point that you missed is that he survives everything else much easier. You wanted to argue, but you could have easily just found another post or waited until another one came along lol

 

[Sentinel]

Luffy is going to survive it. The point that you missed is that he survives everything else much easier.

Everything blunt force related? Yes, I explained why.

Luffy doesn't have special resistance or protection from sharp weapons/attacks aside of barrier haki. If it gets broken, he's as vulnerable to these kind of attacks like everyone else.

 

[comrade]

Kaido stabbing Kinemon and cutting off Orochi's head with a sword obviously means Mihawk upscale.

Or maybe we stop leeching on other characters and have this failure for once get past a commander without postponing.

 

[StocksInMihawk]

Or maybe we stop leeching

Where there's a leech, there's a way

 

[Konstantis]

This doesn't seem like a regular sword. It sucks the life out of everything around it.

Seems like the real Strongest Sword in the World, unlike Yoru

 

[Salah WG]

If Oda didn't give any Top Tiers a Sword, what would Mihawk Haters say? His Title means shit
If Oda gave most Top Tiers a Sword (Which is what He ended up doing), what would Mihawk Haters say? His Title means shit lol
Their answer is clear, They don't care about what Manga shows, They already made up their mind thousand chapters ago.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Everything blunt force related? Yes, I explained why.

Luffy doesn't have special resistance or protection from sharp weapons/attacks aside of barrier haki. If it gets broken, he's as vulnerable to these kind of attacks like everyone else.

Fire, lightning, poison, and whatever it is that allows Domi Reversi. He doesn't know how to counter freezing yet but Doflamingo already showed us that it's possible.

Telling me he doesn't have special resistance to sharp weapons is just agreeing with what I've said and no, not everyone has the same vulnerability to cutting. Even if it is the ultimate offense, as you agree.