Character Discussion Is it possible for Shanks to become a greater pirate than Roger?

[nik87]

Note - This is NOT about individual strength or who is stronger between the two.
What I am asking is this - despite Pirate King being praised as the greatest pirate in this show, is it possible for a guy who won't become Pirate King to end up even greater than Roger?

If you wonder where this is coming from, wonder no more.
Oda has made Shanks into his golden boy, the personification of the coolest pirate in the world.
He even became the main character's goal and idol. His ideals became Luffy's ideals.

He got good looks, badass entrances, cool one-liners, special lineage and powers of the handful of strongest. The best crew as well.
Is it possible for Shanks to end up a greater pirate than the Pirate King despite failing to become one himself?
Greatness can come from many things. Finding someone else's treasure might not necessarily be the greatest thing a pirate can do.

What do yall think?

 

[MonsterKaido]

I don't think so. Only SHs will surpass roger pirates in sense of greatness. Luffy is meant to be PK and beyond not shanks.

BBPs are also there.

 

[Crow]

He can't become a symbol like Roger has been.
If he's indeed 'evil' and goes down, he will do so as a yonko.
If he's the benevolent upholder of balance and goes down, he will do so as a yonko.

Will his heritage be revealed publicly? Definitely no.
Will his failure/sacrifice/fight be public? No.

I'll say no. He will never reach that fame. Especially since he prefers to mainly live under the radar (as much as possible)

I suppose the only two figures capable of reaching Roger's fame are luffy and buggy.

 

[moreha9685]

Yes.
We've seen how definitions of what a pirate is change from person to person.
Luffy, for example, and likely Oda, thinks that being a pirate means to be free and follow your heart.
If Roger is great for having pushed so many people towards piracy, and therefore to be free, Shanks can be revealed as greater yet by having sacrificed his freedom for someone else's.
If Shanks is indeed revealed as working with the WG to keep the balance, an absence of which would lead to chaos and widespread terror, the likes of which BB wants to perpetrate, having cast aside his own personal dream to ensure the safety of thousands if not millions would make Shanks the greatest pirate of the modern times.

 

[NexusLord]

Roger had flaws and I would argue this is why Luffy exists. Roger has the same will that Luffy does, but in Roger's version of it he didn't succeed. I would say this is because he was a vicious pirate at times and not simply because he was too early. That will Luffy carries has failed tons of times before finally reaching him. Shanks, however, can't overshadow anyone who had that will before. Shanks' will is different, but very similar. If he is anything then he's some kind of herald for the correct version of that will to succeed. For Luffy.

What can be said is that he was a Great Pirate, but not like Roger or Luffy. They're unparalleled for their impacts. In this way, he is Oda's self-insert in the sense that he guided Luffy in the same way that Oda is guiding the readers. The self-sacrifice he performed is simply Oda saying he believes in the next generation since Luffy is supposed to be all of us.

 

[Djordje]

How is he Oda golden boy when Oda :

- made him lose an arm against fodder beast
- got scared by fucking fruitless Blackbeard
- made him inferior to Mihawk
- didnt even reach laugh tale together with Roger crew
- no voice of all things

He has nothing comparable to Roger , just another mere yonko who happens to be Luffys idol thats all.

 

[Blazing Lion]

No, PK is the greatest pirating achievement. WB was the greatest pirate or strongest in terms of pirating achievements as per Ace Novel. If Shanks becomes PK or does something even beyond then there is a chance, otherwise no.

 

[Moegara]

Only Luffy will become a greater pirate than Roger in that sense.

There's no inbetween for Shanks to achieve.

 

[Just a member]

Impossible, like you said he could get some feats that are comparable to becoming pirate king (aka finding the One piece), maybe beating Loki could be one (if that is confirmed and if Oda plays the cards in a certain way - Loki is an absolute menace) yet this is a show about Luffy, not Shanks.

Also the pirate king has been hyped since the first second of the manga (the cool Roger intros of the old anime to make an example) so Oda will not invent something above it... If it isn't Joy Boy stuff that only Luffy has the right to and nobody else (no Shanks and no Roger as well). But even if Shanks did something monumental it will probably just be put under the rug by the WG (and this could be, again, Loki), I don't think Shanks will get a bounty increase for Greenbull of Kidd (because Oda, rightly, doesn't care to do this stuff, it would be pointless).

 

[Rej]

I agree with first few posts in this thread.

I think the answer is No. Roger's purpose has always been starting the new era of pirates and create some sort of gold rush with the One Piece.
Shanks may have ended a war, but I don't think he has been written to end the whole era. Something befitting for the next pirate king, the MC or his Foil.

I just assume the next greater pirate will have to atleast accomplish that. Whitebeard has almost been there, but he pivoted alot on Roger's glory and doubled down on Roger's words.

But who knows what may happen in future...Oda can go crazy as much as he wants if it comes to greatness in the endgame. It will be left to us readers to interpret it however we want. That would be more of Oda's way.

 

[Hako Sama]

I feel that Shanks could be bigger than Roger, but for some unknown reason he chooses not to be.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

If Shanks allied with Buggy, he would surpass Roger

 

[Warine]

That's just a question of perspective

 

[JoNdule]

No he can't and would never bd greater than Roger

 

[NAMELESS]

Note - This is NOT about individual strength or who is stronger between the two.
What I am asking is this - despite Pirate King being praised as the greatest pirate in this show, is it possible for a guy who won't become Pirate King to end up even greater than Roger?

If you wonder where this is coming from, wonder no more.
Oda has made Shanks into his golden boy, the personification of the coolest pirate in the world.
He even became the main character's goal and idol. His ideals became Luffy's ideals.

He got good looks, badass entrances, cool one-liners, special lineage and powers of the handful of strongest. The best crew as well.
Is it possible for Shanks to end up a greater pirate than the Pirate King despite failing to become one himself?
Greatness can come from many things. Finding someone else's treasure might not necessarily be the greatest thing a pirate can do.

What do yall think?

Nope. Shanks is aiming for the OP. He will fail. He is not the man that put down Kaido. He won't get the OP. I don't see much glory left in store for him. Dragon could achieve what you are talking about if he manages to make enough nations rebel against the WG. Shanks doesn't have such impact on the world. He is just a big shot pirate in the new world and that is it.

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If Shanks allied with MIHAWK, he would surpass Roger

*Mihawk.

 

[nik87]

If Shanks allied with Buggy, he would surpass Roger

What do you mean?

No he can't and would never bd greater than Roger

The thing is, Roger didn't do that much when you think about it.
He found someone else's treasure but that's it. He did nothing with it.
What Luffy will achieve will make Roger look like a toddler in comparison.

And there is a lot for Shanks to do because Roger never even scratched the surface which is the World Government.
Roger never faced the Ancient Weapons, Shanks can.
Roger never went against Imu and Elders, Shanks likely will.

Whether it will be praised more than finding the treasure is another thing...

 

[Rej]

Paradox question I have is:

If Roger kicked off this era and becomes the reason even greater people, as in example Luffy, Shanks, Teach, Buggy, Law, Kid have appeared by the end of that era. Wouldn't that double down on Roger's greatness? Just the impact in the history books?

It's also a symbolic "crossmetaphorization", as in Roger kicked off the story of One Piece like he kicked off the era, and at the end of the era we have the endgame of the story of One Piece with said great characters I mentioned above.

 

[SkySanji]

No, only Luffy can do that, and in fact, Luffy will surpass what even Roger failed to reach, Joyboy.

 

[Cozy Sofa]

No. Do you watch football? Then you’ll probably know Prime Neymar is one of the best players of all time. Unfortunately for him he happened to play in a era with two other GOAT level players (Messi & Ronaldo). So he never won any World Cups or best player in the world (Ballon d’Or).

Objectively it’s a crime because he is better than 90 % of those that have won the Ballon d’Or throughout history but his prime was unfortunately in the wrong era.

So if Shanks can’t do what Roger did he can never become greater. Stronger is a whole other matter all though I doubt that too.

 

[comrade]

It's Oda's self insert after all, so if Oda decides to make him greater, he can do so authentically. Oda made him stay with Buggy instead of going to Raftel. Oda made Shanks postpone his aim to become PK. He prevents Shanks from asking Ray about the story of the world.

Shanks is the freest man, he can whatever he wants. he can attack WG ships, steal the literal Nika fruit and feed it to the protagonist and the Gorosei still respect him. Meanwhile Imu wasted Saturn for being indirectly responsible for Luffy escaping from Egghead through the robot he preserved.