Current Events Is Oda leaving Sanji behind?

[Ice devil slayer]

Apoo had time to see him and call out his name from mid range and didn't have both arms obstructed by another supernova.

Sanji and Zoro were pracitically identical in strength in Enes Lobby so no, them being on different tiers is your headcanon not supported by the one time we have seen numerical power levels in the manga, or more recently the bounties lining up.

Killer isn't on Luffy's level, neither are Kid/Law/Zoro, but they are on the roof also, they are there as supernovas, Sanji is not a supernova so it makes sense for him to not be on this roof shot at the moment, it would unbalance the portrayal of the supernovas as all being important if it becomes the Luffy show too early, which it would if he had half the members on the roof.

In any case Sanji has already had a more important role than most characters so far by saving Momo's LIFE.

Lol Zoro was still stronger than Sanji in EL..even tho not by much

This is the only arc where they were somewhat equal and even then Zoro was portrayed to be as strong as Luffy post el..so Zoro>Sanji

Killer might be on the roof but he's not hyped to recreate Oden's feat or reopen Kaido's wound like Zoro will..Which will give Luffy the advantage in this fight

Also Killer might have some amazing feats that put him above Sanji

Idk why you guys always bring up Killer to downplay Zoro being on the roof

 

[Jackteo]

Lets be retarded for a second and say they were equal in ennies lobby.
Zoro then got shusui and was trained 2 years by a top tier. How did sanji keep up ?

RS >= switching Yubashiri with Enma + haki training with Enma

Their training during the TS was just completely different.
Zoro had a teacher.
Sanji had to run from and fight the inhabitants of an entire island.
Luffy had a teacher and an island of enemies.

 

[Ice devil slayer]

Some people cant accept the fact that Oda sees Zoro closer to Luffy than Sanji Jinbei etc

 

[WesMidnight]

Lets be retarded for a second and say they were equal in ennies lobby.
Zoro then got shusui and was trained 2 years by a top tier. How did sanji keep up ?

Sanji got food buffs every day from cooking said to be able to make you stronger, he learnt haki the same as the other two which was the main purpose of the training, and self taught himself geppou. Him running away from the okama's strengthened his legs, and mental resolve with hells memories.

Training under Mihawk doesn't make Zoro Mihawk level, if Mihawk was only using an arbitrary percentage of his strength to spar/ train Zoro and Ivankov was using a higher percentage of his strength to spar/train Sanji then they very well could have been fighting opponents a the same strength level.

Luffy didn't even learn basic barrier Ryuo under Rayleigh, just because you have a stronger/ better teacher, you can only learn so fast.
If you can't cap out your teachers max your trainer inherently isn't going to be the cap of your development, besides as Rayleigh alluded to haki and strength blooms on a true battlefield, not training grounds with fake stakes.

How did Zoro+ Sanji keep up with g2 level speed opponents? Plot. Raid suit is a bigger buff than Shusui anyway.

 

[HA001]

RS >= switching Yubashiri with Enma + haki training with Enma

Their training during the TS was just completely different.
Zoro had a teacher.
Sanji had to run from and fight the inhabitants of an entire island.
Luffy had a teacher and an island of enemies.

Lmfao no.
All the raid suit does is make him invisible but still detectable by coo as sanji himself said its just a visual trick.
Whilst it increased his durability it wouldnt mean shit in a fight between the two as zoros ap is easily more than enough to break it.

Zoro was trained for 2 years by a top tier


Sanji was fighting/stealing recipies from fodder

The gap between the two is huge.

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Sanji got food buffs every day from cooking said to be able to make you stronger, he learnt haki the same as the other two which was the main purpose of the training, and self taught himself geppou. Him running away from the okama's strengthened his legs, and mental resolve with hells memories.

Training under Mihawk doesn't make Zoro Mihawk level, if Mihawk was only using an arbitrary percentage of his strength to spar/ train Zoro and Ivankov was using a higher percentage of his strength to spar/train Sanji then they very well could have been fighting opponents a the same strength level.

Luffy didn't even learn basic barrier Ryuo under Rayleigh, just because you have a stronger/ better teacher, you can only learn so fast.
If you can't cap out your teachers max your trainer inherently isn't going to be the cap of your development, besides as Rayleigh alluded to haki and strength blooms on a true battlefield, not training grounds with fake stakes.

How did Zoro+ Sanji keep up with g2 level speed opponents? Plot. Raid suit is a bigger buff than Shusui anyway.

Ray said he was just teaching basics. Mihawk didnt.
Rest is nonsense. Sanjis was barely training.

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Sanji got food buffs every day from cooking said to be able to make you stronger, he learnt haki the same as the other two which was the main purpose of the training, and self taught himself geppou. Him running away from the okama's strengthened his legs, and mental resolve with hells memories.

Training under Mihawk doesn't make Zoro Mihawk level, if Mihawk was only using an arbitrary percentage of his strength to spar/ train Zoro and Ivankov was using a higher percentage of his strength to spar/train Sanji then they very well could have been fighting opponents a the same strength level.

Luffy didn't even learn basic barrier Ryuo under Rayleigh, just because you have a stronger/ better teacher, you can only learn so fast.
If you can't cap out your teachers max your trainer inherently isn't going to be the cap of your development, besides as Rayleigh alluded to haki and strength blooms on a true battlefield, not training grounds with fake stakes.

How did Zoro+ Sanji keep up with g2 level speed opponents? Plot. Raid suit is a bigger buff than Shusui anyway.

Ray said he was just teaching basics. Mihawk didnt.
Rest is nonsense. Sanjis was barely training.

 

[Lifeismeh]

Some people cant accept the fact that Oda sees Zoro closer to Luffy than Sanji Jinbei etc

he doesn't

he put parallels between Sanji and Zoro opponents and never does that with Luffy and Zoro

most of Sanji and Zoro opponents are comparable, while Luffy opponent is always in a different league

this arc won't be much different since Sanji and Zoro main opponents are Queen and King, and no Zoro damaging Kaido doesn't mean he's on another level than Sanji, even Killer will damage Kaido

 

[Lunaria]

No he’s not, fans just read too much into whatever Oda does with him and Zoro. This mindset must seriously ruin a good part of your enjoyment when reading chapters.

 

[Ice devil slayer]

he doesn't

he put parallels between Sanji and Zoro opponents and never does that with Luffy and Zoro

most of Sanji and Zoro opponents are comparable, while Luffy opponent is always in a different league

this arc won't be much different since Sanji and Zoro main opponents are Queen and King, and no Zoro damaging Kaido doesn't mean he's on another level than Sanji, even Killer will damage Kaido

Zoro's main opponent is Kaido this arc
No matter if you like it or not
He's going to help Luffy in this fight

He has been hyped as one of the character that will defeat Kaido

Nothing currently says that Zoro will fight King

Stop the cap

 

[ShishioIsBack]

There was always a massive gap.
The only arc where Sanji was some what comparable to Zoro was EL but even then Ashura would no diff DJ just like it no diffed Amane Dache attack from Kaku

 

[Doggo]

Luffy trained two years with the First Mate of the Kings of Pirates and, in the end of the training, he was still not near Rayleighs level. Rayleigh said that Luffy's haki would naturally evolve when he fights strong opponents. Basically that's it. Rayleigh just said "yo luffy, I'm gonna teach you how to use Haki. That's it. Enhance it on your own, nerd."
Why would it be any different from Zoro? Mihawk taught Zoro about "forging a black blade", taught him about Haki. What makes his training so different? He didn't arrive at Sabaody already at Mihawk level, or else he would have fared way better against Fujitora. He is still growing. The only difference is that his growth is now off-battle. Before he used to "learn" during his fights or after them.
Learned to cut steel from Mr1, learned flying slashes against Ohm, unleashed Asura against Kaku, Got Shuusui after Zombie Ryuuma.
After time skip? one shot octopus trash, destroys Monet, obliterates Pika, trades Shuusui for a new magical sword that needs to be tamed...again....That's actually boring. If he truly is at the level some of you say he is already, Then Oda should just sideline him until the final battle. Boring ass "I aM GoNnA uSe X% oF mY pOwEr NoW".
HxH have it's flaws, but one thing that makes its fights great, it's the author constant reminder thar "power level it's NOT everything". Morel even explicitly says that. "If you fight someone thinking you already lost because of amount of aura, you are trash".
Conditions, variables, smarts, all of these can change the course of a fight.
Didn't Vegapunk completed some tech shit that replaced the shichibukais and gave confidence the WG could stand against yonkos? Why can't the raid suit, a tech shit, do the same? If magical haki powers is everything in One Piece now, it's kinda lame.

 

[Rekien]

At the start of the series if anything, Zoro was portrayed to be at the same level as Luffy.

 

[hedera__helix]

Sanjitards pretending to be Luffy fans always makes me laugh

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

The reason why Sanji is behind Zoro and Luffy is because he's too busy fucking Black Maria in the ass.

Spoiler

And no, Sanji was portrayed to be on the same level as Luffy and Zoro. Anyone who disagrees otherwise needs to have a mental checkup.

 

[Doggo]

Let's remember some moments from Post Time-skip.
- Luffy solo a Pacifista at Sabaody, Zoro and Sanji take down another one as 2.
- Luffy walks towards Hody and Sanji and Zoro are the ones who block Hody's goons.
- Luffy Zoro and Sanji are the ones, right after timeskip that can use Haki.
- Luffy Zoro and Sanji are the ones who fight the Kraken.
- Luffy says Sanji is worth 1000 people power wise, which Zoro replys, for no reason at all, that, in that case, zoro is worth double that. (it's their dynamic bickering at each other, even when the other is not there).
- Zoro and Sanji are the ones who jump to save Otama.
And so on.
They are portrayed as the main force, aside from Luffy himself, in dozens of ocasions. Big battle wise, Zoro is always one step ahead, because his character arc is about getting strong, and I dont say that's because "he wants to be the strongest swordsman", but, because he wants to help Luffy achieve his dream. That's why the BEGGED his greatest enemy, his main goal, to train him. Mihawk initially refuses him, than realizes Zoro has found "another dream" that meant more than his own. (Which I found a GREAT character development moment for all the straw hats. They all decided to get stronger, or better at their respective fields, all for the sake of helping Luffy achieve his goal).
I don't need Sanji to BE Zoro, or get as many 1v1's as Zoro gets. He NEVER did. But dude, the entire post time-skip, dude haven't got a single satisfying 1v1. Vergo? The leg thing. Doflamingo? Hype tool. Oven? Cool moment, but a quick shot at him and then bail doesn't really screams "satisfying 1v1".
Even if Oda makes Zoro solo Kaido and Sanji solo King, he would't change their dynamic at all . They would still argue, and have equal gag "fights".
Even if Zoro is above Sanji, power level wise (which he is), it doesn't mean they can't be "at the same level range". Which was always the case, with these moments Oda portrays them together.

 

[Jackteo]

Lmfao no.
All the raid suit does is make him invisible but still detectable by coo as sanji himself said its just a visual trick.

That is why King could barely scratch him when he tried to kill him in his zoan form and he and Queen couldn't even perceive him when he rescued Momo
He can also float in the air effortlessly, his kicks are stronger (due to the propulsions and the RS hardness) and Oda knows what tricks can he use while wearing that.

But sure, switching a sword with a similar one and training a bit your CoA is better

 

[bennbeckman]

He def isnt leaving them behind, he's just portraying Zoro at this moment in a higher echelon than Sanji, also this is due to be a more Zoro centric arc due to the nature of Wano as well. Sanji had his arc of portrayl WCI so it evens out

Though they have always been rivals with each other through mainly gags and what not.

They've always been the monster trio and the pecking order has always been Luffy, Zoro, Sanji. Can we just say they're both powerful in their own right and that they'll both shine

 

[vikas]

He left sanji behind like how sanji left all blue.

 

[HA001]

That is why King could barely scratch him when he tried to kill him in his zoan form and he and Queen couldn't even perceive him when he rescued Momo
He can also float in the air effortlessly, his kicks are stronger (due to the propulsions and the RS hardness) and Oda knows what tricks can he use while wearing that.

But sure, switching a sword with a similar one and training a bit your CoA is better

They noticed late but he was still instantly caught by king.

So are you saying the rs defence > kaidos scales?

Yeah thats why sanjis on the roof vs 2 yonko right.

 

[vikas]

He can also float in the air effortlessly, his kicks are stronger (due to the propulsions and the RS hardness) and Oda knows what tricks can he use while wearing that

Doesn't this just support the oda left sanji behind and he is judges son only able to survive thanks to dad

 

[T.D.A]

Sanji is essentially the SH's wildcard, someone who's pretty strong and high tier who enemies will underestimate as they'll be more fearful of Luffy and Zoro who will be considered among the world's strongest etc.