Speculations Is there a pattern here?
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Correct.
He hasn't said it, he just has shown it directly so you can see.
Which is better considering that people didn't understand it when he said it.
So whether you like it said or you like it shown, Zori got you covered in both cases.
You will say the same when the time comes.
If Magellan begging BB+half his crew didn't convince you...
He hasn't said it, he just has shown it directly so you can see.
Which is better considering that people didn't understand it when he said it.
So whether you like it said or you like it shown, Zori got you covered in both cases.
You will say the same when the time comes.
If Magellan begging BB+half his crew didn't convince you...
Because Luffy or the captain of a gang does not have to be exclusively the one who defeats him, we already saw it against Kaido, Luffy defeated him but it was not a 1v1, it was not a fair fight, as if it should be Zoro's vs Mihawk. Luffy seeks to win no matter what, and if he needs to be given food, to be protected between rounds while other characters wear down his rival, it's fine for him, as long as he comes out victorious and can become the king of the pirates, But to be considered the most powerful swordsman in the world, you must win a 1v1 duel without the intervention of third parties.
Luffy doesnt vouch for world strongest man/creature title, but will inadvertantly get it since he has earned hardcore death - fights between some of the top dogs of different organization.
Powerlevel wise Luffy is not a tier above zoro. So him looking bad with the antagonists that are usually tier above him initiallly shouldnt make him bad. While Kaido had gauntlets going against him, so did luffy (nonsensically running and wasting stamina, fighting with ulti, being KOed by apoo etc). Its the learning process, haki blooms in between and eventually winning at the end that will make Luffy one of the strongest if not the strongest.
We know World strongest swordsman Mihawk waits for zoro at the endgame where zoro would have all his stats already buffed and 1 v 1 mihawk.
but its Luffy who got to fight World strongest creature athe middle of the series that too without even knowing about adCoc.
Still he subdued the stongest creature with some resilience.
EOS like zoro, Nobody will doubt that Luffy can 1v 1 the World strongest creature if they fight again. Do you doubt it???
Furthermore, As we have already seen the how powerful was the CoC from OG joyboy , that is the level of Haki luffy will be surpassing endgame. And with all his haki maxed full he will win 1 vs 1 against the likely strongest (haxed) of all time IMU.
Once again Luffy doesnt vouch for world strongest man/creature title, but will inadvertantly get it.
Powerlevel wise Luffy is not a tier above zoro. So him looking bad with the antagonists that are usually tier above him initiallly shouldnt make him bad. While Kaido had gauntlets going against him, so did luffy (nonsensically running and wasting stamina, fighting with ulti, being KOed by apoo etc). Its the learning process, haki blooms in between and eventually winning at the end that will make Luffy one of the strongest if not the strongest.
We know World strongest swordsman Mihawk waits for zoro at the endgame where zoro would have all his stats already buffed and 1 v 1 mihawk.
but its Luffy who got to fight World strongest creature athe middle of the series that too without even knowing about adCoc.
Still he subdued the stongest creature with some resilience.
EOS like zoro, Nobody will doubt that Luffy can 1v 1 the World strongest creature if they fight again. Do you doubt it???
Furthermore, As we have already seen the how powerful was the CoC from OG joyboy , that is the level of Haki luffy will be surpassing endgame. And with all his haki maxed full he will win 1 vs 1 against the likely strongest (haxed) of all time IMU.
Once again Luffy doesnt vouch for world strongest man/creature title, but will inadvertantly get it.
But that's only because you say so xD
If Luffy defeats all his rivals needing help, food, protection, in several rounds, etc. So, he is simply not the strongest, because he wins with the help of others, with breaks and being protected, while his rival exhausts his resistances, continues accumulating damage and continues being bothered by others.
Against Kaido, Luffy was defeated 3 times, he was protected by Zoro on 3 occasions, he was rescued and fed by Law's crew, while Yamato continued damaging and tiring a Kaido who already had some damage from Zoro and Law, until after that, Luffy obtains the ADVcoc PU, and in the 1v1 against a Kaido already at 60% LOSE AGAIN, this time being saved and cured 100% by the god Nika, for this time yes, defeating a Kaido who was at 30%
Against the gorousei, he receives damage from Saturn, and he cannot do anything, against Jupeter, he is swallowed by the worm, and is saved (again) by the giants, he flees from Topman and needs help to send Mars flying, help from Sanji IF, Franky and Nika Booney lol
When you understand that someone who constantly needs help + being in their most powerful form, and even with all that, continues to run away, needs food and needs to be protected, is not a top tier nor will they be the most powerful, we already know who it is reserved for .
If Luffy defeats all his rivals needing help, food, protection, in several rounds, etc. So, he is simply not the strongest, because he wins with the help of others, with breaks and being protected, while his rival exhausts his resistances, continues accumulating damage and continues being bothered by others.
Against Kaido, Luffy was defeated 3 times, he was protected by Zoro on 3 occasions, he was rescued and fed by Law's crew, while Yamato continued damaging and tiring a Kaido who already had some damage from Zoro and Law, until after that, Luffy obtains the ADVcoc PU, and in the 1v1 against a Kaido already at 60% LOSE AGAIN, this time being saved and cured 100% by the god Nika, for this time yes, defeating a Kaido who was at 30%
Against the gorousei, he receives damage from Saturn, and he cannot do anything, against Jupeter, he is swallowed by the worm, and is saved (again) by the giants, he flees from Topman and needs help to send Mars flying, help from Sanji IF, Franky and Nika Booney lol
When you understand that someone who constantly needs help + being in their most powerful form, and even with all that, continues to run away, needs food and needs to be protected, is not a top tier nor will they be the most powerful, we already know who it is reserved for .
You should notice Luffy has setbacks early on only when his antagonists are a tier above the strawhats powerlevel wise like Kaido or had hax regeneration power like Saturn. Still luffy overcomed those with sheer willpower. Kaido had a multiple fights before the final showdown with luffy but he himself being have stated those to be shallow hits not affecting him without adCOC and even told us that only joyboy would be able to defeat him.
We have also seen how luffy has to endlessly run and go through multiple gauntlets just like when fightingwith ulti, apoo etc. before going to kaido.
Nevertheless just like Zoro at Endgame will 1 vs 1 Mihawk, EOS luffy if needed is more than capable to 1 v 1 WSC without any intereference. there is no doubt here? Is it?
We have also seen how luffy has to endlessly run and go through multiple gauntlets just like when fightingwith ulti, apoo etc. before going to kaido.
Nevertheless just like Zoro at Endgame will 1 vs 1 Mihawk, EOS luffy if needed is more than capable to 1 v 1 WSC without any intereference. there is no doubt here? Is it?
Comparing Luffy's new power and new peak to Zoro's old power and old peak?
Luffy's old peak power and old technique.
Zoro's old peak power and old technique while severely injured and weakened with 20 or 30 broken bones.
Luffy's attack and power didn't even slow down Kaido. While Zoro's attack weakened and scarred Kaido.
Luffy's new power, new peak mode and new technique.
Zoro's new power, new peak style, and new technique.
The crazy thing about Zoro is that is not even the strongest attack he can create. DD is really just a KoH dragon style version of tiger hunt, a mid level attack. A KoH Dragon style version of 3 billion worlds or flying dragon blaze, both high end techniques, would be much stronger than DD.
Just like Luffy, Zoro has grown much stronger thanks to his new power and style/mode he created. It's foolish child to try to determine Zoro's current strength and power based off his former strength and power.
Luffy's old peak power and old technique.
Zoro's old peak power and old technique while severely injured and weakened with 20 or 30 broken bones.
Luffy's attack and power didn't even slow down Kaido. While Zoro's attack weakened and scarred Kaido.
Luffy's new power, new peak mode and new technique.
Zoro's new power, new peak style, and new technique.
The crazy thing about Zoro is that is not even the strongest attack he can create. DD is really just a KoH dragon style version of tiger hunt, a mid level attack. A KoH Dragon style version of 3 billion worlds or flying dragon blaze, both high end techniques, would be much stronger than DD.
Just like Luffy, Zoro has grown much stronger thanks to his new power and style/mode he created. It's foolish child to try to determine Zoro's current strength and power based off his former strength and power.
, reread the post I was quoting slowly.
The point I was making was that endurance feats doesnt always mean you have more willpower then others.
WB could use Haki in that he stabbed Aokiji using it, but Aokiji dodged it. It was just subpar.
Another example, Blackbeard has shown insane endurance feats everytime we see him as his body literally takes in more damage then others and yet you cant tell me he had more haki then his peers.
Wano if you mean Hakai I mean Oda wanted him out of the way to go fight King and thus had him block Hakai and leave. Luffy couldve done the same thing except you know he needed to stay on the rooftop to fight Kaido.
What about Egghead though I dont remember anything there?
WB could use Haki in that he stabbed Aokiji using it, but Aokiji dodged it. It was just subpar.
Another example, Blackbeard has shown insane endurance feats everytime we see him as his body literally takes in more damage then others and yet you cant tell me he had more haki then his peers.
Wano if you mean Hakai I mean Oda wanted him out of the way to go fight King and thus had him block Hakai and leave. Luffy couldve done the same thing except you know he needed to stay on the rooftop to fight Kaido.
What about Egghead though I dont remember anything there?
Comparing Luffy's new power and new peak to Zoro's old power and old peak?
Luffy's old peak power and old technique.
Zoro's old peak power and old technique while severely injured and weakened with 20 or 30 broken bones.
Luffy's attack and power didn't even slow down Kaido. While Zoro's attack weakened and scarred Kaido.
Luffy's new power, new peak mode and new technique.
Zoro's new power, new peak style, and new technique.
The crazy thing about Zoro is that is not even the strongest attack he can create. DD is really just a KoH dragon style version of tiger hunt, a mid level attack. A KoH Dragon style version of 3 billion worlds or flying dragon blaze, both high end techniques, would be much stronger than DD.
Just like Luffy, Zoro has grown much stronger thanks to his new power and style/mode he created. It's foolish child to try to determine Zoro's current strength and power based off his former strength and power.
Luffy's old peak power and old technique.
Zoro's old peak power and old technique while severely injured and weakened with 20 or 30 broken bones.
Luffy's attack and power didn't even slow down Kaido. While Zoro's attack weakened and scarred Kaido.
Luffy's new power, new peak mode and new technique.
Zoro's new power, new peak style, and new technique.
The crazy thing about Zoro is that is not even the strongest attack he can create. DD is really just a KoH dragon style version of tiger hunt, a mid level attack. A KoH Dragon style version of 3 billion worlds or flying dragon blaze, both high end techniques, would be much stronger than DD.
Just like Luffy, Zoro has grown much stronger thanks to his new power and style/mode he created. It's foolish child to try to determine Zoro's current strength and power based off his former strength and power.
ZORO ALMOST DIED AFTER BEATING KING...
Drunk Monster Kaido would demolish ""new peak Zoro"",
Flames Kaido would melt the shit of "New peak Zoro"
LISTEN, YOU F**CKIN ZORO GLAZER, Zoro just barely surpass Sanji