Speculations Is there any doubt that the “certain pirate” Shanks was telling the Gorosei about was Luffy?
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Even if I would prefer him greatly, I have never liked Imu concept at all, I am skeptical about BB being the final villain. Oda is characterizing him as Xebec 2.0, even his ship's name is Xebec, so I think he'll fall in a GV 2.0 with the Mugi and possibility Koby instead of Garp, and it's not surprising that Koby is already heavy related to BB (both with Rocky Port and the recent events actually).
But he will kill Shanks, for sure.
But he will kill Shanks, for sure.
Shanks will die because he's the "father figure" of the protagonist and because he and BB have a feud. Also, it's the only way to reliably hype BB beyond strongest creature Kaido and maybe any other emperor ever. More so, Shanks is actively searching for him, Teach said "It's not the time" last time, but it will be.
It's not about anything, it's about them and their fated fight.
As for BB, he is a contender for the PK throne, he even fought Law for his RPGs, so obv he will not back from the race and will fight Luffy for it.
However, we know since MF, and now from Oden's FB, that when you arrive in Raftel, you discover something about the D. and the Void century (which is all plot related to the WG) and so you have to do something AFTER Raftel.
So, Imu is the final fight of a PK Luffy, likely.
But again, that is my opinion based on this thing. Anyone can have their own.
It's not about anything, it's about them and their fated fight.
As for BB, he is a contender for the PK throne, he even fought Law for his RPGs, so obv he will not back from the race and will fight Luffy for it.
However, we know since MF, and now from Oden's FB, that when you arrive in Raftel, you discover something about the D. and the Void century (which is all plot related to the WG) and so you have to do something AFTER Raftel.
So, Imu is the final fight of a PK Luffy, likely.
But again, that is my opinion based on this thing. Anyone can have their own.
Respectfully asking - are you just trolling or are you too dumb to read?
@Dragon777 even said multiple times that Blackbeard WILL obviously be a major part of the final saga. Just that he thinks Blackbeard won't be the last enemy standing in the final battle, because Imu is still there.
A take that actually most fans share.
@Dragon777 even said multiple times that Blackbeard WILL obviously be a major part of the final saga. Just that he thinks Blackbeard won't be the last enemy standing in the final battle, because Imu is still there.
A take that actually most fans share.
First of all a general definition from my part: Raftel is part of the endgame, unless you think becoming PK is a side quest.
The final part of the final saga is all connected, we are not talking about Wano and EH, just to say one. All will be in the same timeframe and the same plot.
Now, BB and Luffy fight to become the PK, BB loses and then Luffy fights Imu? Possible, maybe even likely (surely would be easier to manage);
In some way both arrive at Raftel, both learn about the D. and the void century and then fight? Possible too;
Both do that and then fight the Gov.? Possible too, but since Luffy has to be the one to defeat BB (and Imu) and BB himself is a direct parallel of Xebec (and not Roger and Joy Boy), I don't think BB will get to fight Imu anyway.
In all of this, there is Buggy and the CG to consider too.
Regardless, for the reasons I said, what I am sure of is that Imu is the final villain and only PK Luffy will defeat him because of the words of WB, because what we saw in Oden's FB, because PK means freedom and Imu means oppression, etc.
Since BB, on the other hand, is not the man Roger is waiting for but is instead a Xebec 2.0, will fall in a GV 2.0.
Whether this happens before Raftel, in Raftel or after Raftel is all possible and honestly I don't have any idea because there are too many possibilities.
The final part of the final saga is all connected, we are not talking about Wano and EH, just to say one. All will be in the same timeframe and the same plot.
Now, BB and Luffy fight to become the PK, BB loses and then Luffy fights Imu? Possible, maybe even likely (surely would be easier to manage);
In some way both arrive at Raftel, both learn about the D. and the void century and then fight? Possible too;
Both do that and then fight the Gov.? Possible too, but since Luffy has to be the one to defeat BB (and Imu) and BB himself is a direct parallel of Xebec (and not Roger and Joy Boy), I don't think BB will get to fight Imu anyway.
In all of this, there is Buggy and the CG to consider too.
Regardless, for the reasons I said, what I am sure of is that Imu is the final villain and only PK Luffy will defeat him because of the words of WB, because what we saw in Oden's FB, because PK means freedom and Imu means oppression, etc.
Since BB, on the other hand, is not the man Roger is waiting for but is instead a Xebec 2.0, will fall in a GV 2.0.
Whether this happens before Raftel, in Raftel or after Raftel is all possible and honestly I don't have any idea because there are too many possibilities.
You're the dumbass who but into a conversation bro.
See. That's precisely what I mean. It might all be connected. But the war against the WG will obviously last well over 100 chapters. It will be longer than Wano.
So we are talking a stretch of 150-200 chapters realistically that Blackbeard and Shanks aren't part of. At the very end.
So you're just being disingenuous here on what the definition of finale is.
If Blackbeard isn't part of the fight against the WG. He isn't endgame.
I reject this entirely.
My definition of endgame for Blackbeard is he either is part of defeating Imu, or directly overthrows him.
If you've read fairy tail. Then like the last arc of that.
See. That's precisely what I mean. It might all be connected. But the war against the WG will obviously last well over 100 chapters. It will be longer than Wano.
So we are talking a stretch of 150-200 chapters realistically that Blackbeard and Shanks aren't part of. At the very end.
So you're just being disingenuous here on what the definition of finale is.
If Blackbeard isn't part of the fight against the WG. He isn't endgame.
I reject this entirely.
My definition of endgame for Blackbeard is he either is part of defeating Imu, or directly overthrows him.
If you've read fairy tail. Then like the last arc of that.
I think we need to come out of the mentality of "BB is Xebec 2.0 so he won't get to fulfil his dream"
See, BB lineage goes beyond that. He is a D and mirrors Luffy so his lineage goes back to void century. This in line with those 4 characters who were marked by IMU.
BB isn't just about Raffel or to become PK. His dream goes beyond that - The King of the World. He wants the World. He wants IMUs throne.
And, guess what? Vivi, Shirahoshi, Luffy and BB are marked by ImU for a reason. They all will be catalyst to WG downfall.
What makes it interesting is whether BB will fall afterwards as FV or around that time?
And, the way oda is setting BB in ongoing arc, it's 50-50
See, BB lineage goes beyond that. He is a D and mirrors Luffy so his lineage goes back to void century. This in line with those 4 characters who were marked by IMU.
BB isn't just about Raffel or to become PK. His dream goes beyond that - The King of the World. He wants the World. He wants IMUs throne.
And, guess what? Vivi, Shirahoshi, Luffy and BB are marked by ImU for a reason. They all will be catalyst to WG downfall.
What makes it interesting is whether BB will fall afterwards as FV or around that time?
And, the way oda is setting BB in ongoing arc, it's 50-50
And as I said, I reject the idea that becoming the PK, which is the leitmotiv of the manga, and the fulfillment of the dreams of the crew could not be considered the final part of the manga in any way or form.
But anyone can have their opinion.
Honestly this "disingenuous" thing is starting to bother me. Maybe this is some kind of self-guilt, but not only I am not, but if anything it's you that are keeping spinning this.
Let's try again: I literally said BB may be part of the final war, but he won't be the one to fight Imu.
I listed 3 possibilities, one of which was precisely that.
That or he may not, Idk. What I said is that I am sure he is not the final enemy, Imu is.
If that is not endgame to you, good. It's not like mine or your definition of what endgames is matter. This is just what I think will happen.
Tbf, I think that BB too have some legendary ancestor like Joy Boy, and Xebec was his successor as Roger was for Joy Boy.
But WB's words are clear, and the mirror with Xebec too imho: BB will fall before Imu, and Luffy will be the one to overthrow the WG.
But anyone can have their opinion.
Honestly this "disingenuous" thing is starting to bother me. Maybe this is some kind of self-guilt, but not only I am not, but if anything it's you that are keeping spinning this.
Let's try again: I literally said BB may be part of the final war, but he won't be the one to fight Imu.
I listed 3 possibilities, one of which was precisely that.
That or he may not, Idk. What I said is that I am sure he is not the final enemy, Imu is.
If that is not endgame to you, good. It's not like mine or your definition of what endgames is matter. This is just what I think will happen.
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Tbf, I think that BB too have some legendary ancestor like Joy Boy, and Xebec was his successor as Roger was for Joy Boy.
But WB's words are clear, and the mirror with Xebec too imho: BB will fall before Imu, and Luffy will be the one to overthrow the WG.