Is there anything more broken?

[Owl Ki]

I don’t even understand these Bleach characters, lmfao. Like how do fights with them even occur.

In exceedingly nonsensical circumstances. Lol.

How does a character who can see every possible future ever lose at anything? Lol

Not just see every possible future but also manipulate every possible future to his advantage.

And to answer the question...

By all logic, Yhwach should be unbeatable as far as the rest of the Bleach verse is concerned, so the only way for Ichigo to beat him was through chimpanzee levels of writing.

Same with Aizen. The man just literally forgot to use his hax Shikai against Ichigo.

Keep in mind that Ichigo has no hax whatsoever. He just hits things really hard and only has a single attack technique which is just a strong sword slash.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Well he made him his bitch lmao
Franklin is mega OP and could give a good run to most fictional characters.

I mean then there is council of Reeds and just as well could he council of Franklins. Behold infinite Franklins

Especially that version of Franklin lol.

But Marvel power levels aren’t linear like that. Galactus has been overwhelmed by his own Heralds before. “Herald of Thunder” Thor blew his fingers off and destroyed his left leg.

So Franklin making Galactus his herald doesn’t mean he’d beat Odin in a fight, necessarily. Lol

In exceedingly nonsensical circumstances. Lol.

Not just see every possible future but also manipulate every possible future to his advantage.

And to answer the question...

By all logic, Yhwach should be unbeatable as far as the rest of the Bleach verse is concerned, so the only way for Ichigo to beat him was through chimpanzee levels of writing.

Same with Aizen. The man just literally forgot to use his hax Shikai against Ichigo.

Keep in mind that Ichigo has no hax whatsoever. He just hits things really hard and only has a single attack technique which is just a strong sword slash.

.....He forgot to use his Hax?

What even is Bleach. Lmfao.

 

[Adam 🍎]

The man just literally forgot to use his hax Shikai against Ichigo

I may be mistaken here but didnt he lose his Bankai because he was no longer a Shinigami?

 

[MonsterKaido]

While Jojo is one of the weakest verses in terms of physical stats, it undoubtedly contains some of the most hax powers of all time. Ranging from time-skipping with the part 5 villain and...

Spoiler: Spoilers for those who haven't checked out part 6 and part 7

In part 6, the main villain gained the power to accelerate time so far to the point that he could reset the universe. In part 7, the main villain could switch between alternate universes by simply fitting himself into a corner.

The most broken of all being Gold Experience Requiem.

Spoiler

Basically, how its power works is that if you decided to attack the user, Giorno, it will automatically activate and cancel the attack, punch you to death and send you into a death loop when you die over and over again. Giorno himself is not even aware of how this ability works. It happens without his will. Whether you throw the moon at him, kick a couple of rocks, or try to kill him with your mind, if your intention is to harm Giorno, GER will activate.

As per the thread title, is there anything more broken?

Spoiler: Tags

@RayanOO @Akai2 @Seth @Light D Lamperouge @Admiral Lee Hung @Haoshoku @Jiihad @Steven @Bullet etc

Yes. There are

Dies irae - Hajun/Reinhard/Mercurius
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Shinza_Banshou

Tenchi Muyo!
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Tenchi_Muyo!

Umineko - Featherine Augustus
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Umineko_no_Naku_Koro_ni

Marvel/DC - All above the one/Pre Recton Beyonder/The presense/Endless/Lucifer/Michael/Elaine

Saint seiya - Premordial Gods/Titans/Gods
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Saint_Seiya

Demon King Daimao - The Law of Identity
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ichiban_Ushiro_no_Daimaou

Demonbane - Elder god Demonbane
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Demonbane_(Verse)

A certain magical index- Gods
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/To_Aru_Majutsu_No_Index


Digimons - Zeedmillenniummon

There are much more............

These are all at bare minimum high multiversal..........gold experience requiem is universal

 

[Owl Ki]

I may be mistaken here but didnt he lose his Bankai because he was no longer a Shinigami?

Kubo never gave Aizen a Bankai ability to begin with. Just a Shikai ability, an ability which he used consistently against the Gotei 13.

 

[Adam 🍎]

Kubo never gave Aizen a Bankai ability to begin with. Just a Shikai ability, an ability which he used consistently against the Gotei 13.

I mean yeah, Shikai.
Bcs if i am not mistaken Aizen said he is longer a Shinigami or Hollow but something new. So bcs of that he perhaps lost his Shikai. Also didnt Ichigo catch his sword which nulifies his Shikai?

 

[Owl Ki]

I mean yeah, Shikai.
Bcs if i am not mistaken Aizen said he is longer a Shinigami or Hollow but something new. So bcs of that he perhaps lost his Shikai.

It was never stated that he lost his Shikai ability. Besides, Ichigo was also revealed to be a Shinigami/Hollow/Quincy hybrid i.e. something new and he still had his Shikai/Bankai abilities.

Also didnt Ichigo catch his sword which nulifies his Shikai?

I do not recall that ever happening. Lol.

 

[Adam 🍎]

It was never stated that he lost his Shikai ability. Besides, Ichigo was also revealed to be a Shinigami/Hollow/Quincy hybrid i.e. something new and he still had his Shikai/Bankai abilities.

Yea but he was still part Shinigami. Aizen said he isnt a Shinigami at all

I do not recall that ever happening. Lol

 

[Owl Ki]

Yea but he was still part Shinigami. Aizen said he isnt a Shinigami at all

Aizen is also a narcissistic, arrogant megalomaniac that despises the Shinigami. His words are not that trustworthy to begin with. As you said...

Bcs if i am not mistaken Aizen said he is longer a Shinigami or Hollow but something new. So bcs of that he perhaps lost his Shikai.

Or perhaps not. We are dealing with a completely hypothetical interpretation here.

So Ichigo caught it once? So Aizen could then just apply his ability again. Besides, if Ichigo caught it to begin with then Aizen was not using his Shikai ability to mess with Ichigo. If he was, Ichigo should never have been able to catch it.

Also, since he still has his Zanpakuto after his transformation then he is still a Shinigami. Otherwise he would have no Zanpakuto.

 

[Cinera]

Yes. There are

Dies irae - Hajun/Reinhard/Mercurius
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Shinza_Banshou

Tenchi Muyo!
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Tenchi_Muyo!

Umineko - Featherine Augustus
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Umineko_no_Naku_Koro_ni

Marvel/DC - All above the one/Pre Recton Beyonder/The presense/Endless/Lucifer/Michael/Elaine

Saint seiya - Premordial Gods/Titans/Gods
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Saint_Seiya

Demon King Daimao - The Law of Identity
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ichiban_Ushiro_no_Daimaou

Demonbane - Elder god Demonbane
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Demonbane_(Verse)

A certain magical index- Gods
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/To_Aru_Majutsu_No_Index


Digimons - Zeedmillenniummon

There are much more............

These are all at bare minimum high multiversal..........gold experience requiem is universal

From Umineko excluding the Law of Identity, can anyone else compare to the Voyagers?

 

[MonsterKaido]

From Umineko excluding the Law of Identity, can anyone else compare to the Voyagers?

Yes imo. Most of the characters mentioned are around featherine's level......

 

[Adam 🍎]

Aizen is also a narcissistic, arrogant megalomaniac that despises the Shinigami. His words are not that trustworthy to begin with. As you said...

Or perhaps not. We are dealing with a completely hypothetical interpretation here.

So Ichigo caught it once? So Aizen could then just apply his ability again. Besides, if Ichigo caught it to begin with then Aizen was not using his Shikai ability to mess with Ichigo. If he was, Ichigo should never have been able to catch it.

Also, since he still has his Zanpakuto after his transformation then he is still a Shinigami. Otherwise he would have no Zanpakuto.

In a nutshell simplest explanation would be that aizen was too pround and arrogant to use Shikai

 

[MonsterKaido]

From Umineko excluding the Law of Identity, can anyone else compare to the Voyagers?

How powerful do you think Tower of God verse is ?

 

[Cinera]

How powerful do you think Tower of God verse is ?

Excluding Phantaminium, the Irregulars are multi continent level with some hax.

Yes imo. Most of the characters mentioned are around featherine's level......

I doubt it. Witches in general are outerversal:

Spoiler

The Realm of Witches is at the end of an infinite cosmological hierarchy. The Realm of Witches is its own infinite hierarchy.

Voyagers exist beyond time, space, and coordinates:

Spoiler

They are beyond the dualities of existence and nonexistence, possibility and impossibilty, they are conceptual beings:

Spoiler

She can grant others the power to become Witches as well and transcend the infinite hierarchy of the Human domain:

Spoiler

They embody literal concepts:

Spoiler

Lambdadelta's magic guarantees that something happens with certainty. In the infinitely nested universes, she can guarantee that there's no world in which something happens:

Spoiler

 

[Haoshoku]

You mean all of fiction? Then there’s tons of characters that are more broken and can manipulate casuality as much or more than GER. Others have already listed more than enough. I mean I can mention one name I haven’t seen people mentioning even though he’s one of the strongest in Shonen, though honestly people forgot about this series lol.

I’m talking Sinbad from Magi. Towards the end he became stupidly broken and he started to manipulate dimensions/reality/fate on a Multiversal Scale, I didn’t read the manga but just take a look at this:

Spoiler

Dude literally crushes a universe and then starts to rewrite a new universe into existence. He’s also acasual and has a higher dimensional existence, meaning he claps GER pretty easily since he’s immune to casualty manipulation. He has other stupid hax such as mind control and what not as well.

 

[MonsterKaido]

Excluding Phantaminium, the Irregulars are multi continent level with some hax.


I doubt it. Witches in general are outerversal:

The Realm of Witches is at the end of an infinite cosmological hierarchy. The Realm of Witches is its own infinite hierarchy.

Voyagers exist beyond time, space, the dualities of existence and nonexistence, possibility and impossibilty, they are conceptual beings:

They embody literal concepts:

Ok....


Well similar can be said by most of the characters they have their own laws for example Hadou God's from dies irae create their own rule....

The Hadou Gods exist infinitely beyond all other Gods, with Hajun sitting at the top of them. Hadou Gods are walking multiverses.....

• Dai Ichi/Ni/San Ten era: This period of time wasn’t aware of multiverse concept at all*. Universe and time were singular, and special techniques/devices had to be used to identify past, present and future.
  While having only a single universe, creation of Dai Ni Ten had numerous higher dimensions beyond material world (called Kingdom). 9 of them belonging to Hell, and 9 to Heaven, with the last dimension of Hell being divided into 3 parts.
  * This statement was subject of many discussions, because it was said that Mercurius arrived to Satanel’s universe from Outer Universe of “another universe, and another time”. It could mean that 1) multiverse already existed as a possibility and Mercurius created it and proceeded to incorporate it into Throne, 2) this “another universe” is actually Mercurius himself, 3) fuck this, NEET is a time paradox (ironically, probably the most logical explanation).
• Dai Yon-Go Ten’s era: After Cosmic Pervert from Outer Universe arrived in Satanel’s universe, he brought the biggest change to Throne in the history of Gods: destroying and rewriting Throne’s system, encompassing past, present and future, simultaneously controlling multidimensional parallel universe he created infinite amount of universes, with his grasp extending to multiverse and multitime.
  Twillight Beach: it’s a realm created by Mercurius for Marie, existing somewhere between Singularity and Throne, its appearance is that of a beach (duh) with sun casting perpetual twilling over it, it’s of infinite size and time can’t move forward here. It's a world outside of creation's providence, that's why normal people can't live here (since concepts of life and death don't apply here), only beings (in other words, Gods) that are immutable and eternal. Domain of universal unconsciousness, exceeding area of selflessness, at the bottommost layer of consciousness, but still far from the Throne. Moreover, in IkaBey after-credits scene it’s suggested that Mercurius dreams universes into existence from here (or at least mistakes each time loop for new universe). Azathoth intensifies.
• Dai Roku Ten’s era: this era has variable amount of universes, due to Hajun’s destruction and Yato’s cockblock. Near the end of game, only one universe remains having expanded to infinity.
  Infinite possibilities: unlike other fictions, possibilities here don’t exist concurrently, but are stored in another dimension, and variable time axes: Kujo Shiori’s Taikyoku dwells in the infinite possibilities of present, Mikado Ryusui’s Distortion/Taikyoku dwells in the infinite possibilities of the future, hence we can conclude that each time axis has its own possible universes. These possibilities most likely existed in Dai Yon Ten’s era, but due to Mercurius specific Atziluth, they were worthless.
• Dai Nana Ten’s era: this reign brings and combines all previous laws (bar Dai Roku Ten – Dai Yokukai Tengu Dou) and combines them together, each one of them is a form of afterlife.

Taikyoku / Taiji (Atziluth) - the beginning of all things great (initial) margin, higher principle, the beginning of all beginnings (the principle of covering all potential entities, including space and time, to release the forces of yin and yang. All who have reached Atziluth have Taikyoku. Atziluth is the emanation of the spirit which goes beyond the logical framework, representing a cosmic law, which repaints the reality for themselves, in accordance with the desire of the essence, bypassing any obstacles because Atziluth is primary in relation to any form of existence, revealing a primary light " The Creator Himself accomplishes everything, and everything that happens in it - it's just his actions. "

• Atman - Atman is eternal, unchanging spiritual essence, which determines the strength of the spiritual power of the spirit, and thus force him Taikyoku. Only from this indicator it depends on the power of the essence, as the scale of their presentation abilities no matter what no effect. Atman, in principle, can not be adequately captured by the verbal knowledge and logic, it does not work the principle that more complex and powerful in terms of logic might be stronger in reality.
• Transcendence - beings who reached Taikyoku are transcendent in relation to any form of existence, Manipulation of information, Transdualnost, Manipulating time as a in itself, regardless of its complexity , all of their limits, it is even more powerful Taikyoku users, as well as the full-unlimited .
• Paramount - Taikyoku is the origin of all things and phenomena, so, regardless of the impact created in, tangible, intangible, spiritual, mental, logical, verbal form, nothing can affect them, and how you can not resist their influence, to oppose the law, required to possess an equivalent concept that allows one to enter the playing field with the user Atziluth.
• Universe - everyone who has reached Atziluth is walking the universe; atoms, spirits, planets, stars, the concept of existence, non-existence of all this is the all-encompassing divine reality, each of which is Hadou / Gudou god / Legionnaire. a drop of their blood weighs as much as the heavenly bodies. The very size thus does not depend on the physical dimensions , a little to the physical point of view the universe there is a more powerful Atman, will actually be much "deeper and longer" than the creatures, the universe is physically larger to an arbitrary (any) number of times.
• Kamunagra - Atziluth Projection. Something like Stand. It embodies the nature of the God, but inside is a different universe.
• Hadou God - the state of the Royal Path, the spirit that tends to a constant, unlimited expansion, no matter how great or small was not the world Hadou flood the whole thing. Because of this, before the fifth heaven two Hadou deity could not co-exist, as they would devour one another until only one them is left alive.
• Dai Roku Ten (Brahman / 6th Heaven) - A Hado deity that came to the throne, is the "soul of the world", a fundamental principle of all things and phenomena, all the space, all beings, all souls, all that exists / does not exist in the world, the whole the world is his body. Dai Yon Ten was the one who rewrote the Throne of the Third Heaven system. Hajun is the present God of the Throne, beyond time and space, for all sectors of the world. Needless to say, that ordinary beings can not perceive it. Inside his world, he is available as a sensory or avatar.

Dai Yokukai Tengu-Dou - Metaverse of Hajun, his infinite territory in which Hadou and Gudou gods coexist , as well as everything else. The world in which the story of Kajiri Kamui Kagura takes place. "Everyone loves only himself" - this is the law of this world. The ideology of Hajun, that he distributed throughout nature. In a world where all suffer from narcissistic personality disorder, one person thimks he is God himself. This is the law of all values and theories, be it good or bad. "I enjoy myself in any form."

Kami tenchi is creator similar to featherine........

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Zenoh from Dragon Ball can probably beat GER.

From the Wiki

Zenoh has the power to destroy anything in an instant and it applies to evil-doers, planets, galaxies, even universes. He also has the power to wipe out existence if he wanted it to happen.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Excluding Phantaminium, the Irregulars are multi continent level with some hax.


I doubt it. Witches in general are outerversal:

The Realm of Witches is at the end of an infinite cosmological hierarchy. The Realm of Witches is its own infinite hierarchy.

Voyagers exist beyond time, space, the dualities of existence and nonexistence, possibility and impossibilty, they are conceptual beings:

They embody literal concepts:

This would be the equivalent to characters like Eternity, Chaos, Order, Death from Marvel. So really any Celestial or Mad Celestial level character would exist on this plain.

OAA, OBA, the Living Tribunal, the Beyonders, the Marquis of death, Gorr, Galactus (Fully Fed) etc. would be above this level as they have power above conceptual level beings in every universe.

And others approaching this level would be Dormamu, Surtur, Odin, All-Father Thor, Knull, Jim Jaspers, etc..

 

[MonsterKaido]

Excluding Phantaminium, the Irregulars are multi continent level with some hax.


I doubt it. Witches in general are outerversal:

The Realm of Witches is at the end of an infinite cosmological hierarchy. The Realm of Witches is its own infinite hierarchy.

Voyagers exist beyond time, space, the dualities of existence and nonexistence, possibility and impossibilty, they are conceptual beings:

They embody literal concepts:

You can watch it if you have time....

 

[Cinera]

This would be the equivalent to characters like Eternity, Chaos, Order, Death from Marvel. So really any Celestial or Mad Celestial level character would exist on this plain.

OAA, OBA, the Living Tribunal, the Beyonders, the Marquis of death, Gorr, Galactus (Fully Fed) etc. would be above this level as they have power above conceptual level beings in every universe.

And others approaching this level would be Dormamu, Surtur, Odin, All-Father Thor, Knull, Jim Jaspers, etc..

Aah, I think it's just because of the peculiar nature of Umineko's cosmology. It's incredibly vast.

When one becomes a Witch, they surpass spacetime and step into a domain above the infinite hierarchy.

Spoiler

Witches can create concepts as they please on the outer order (outside the nested infinite hierarchies) realm of the Sea of Fragments:

Umineko Witches = Outerversal by defeault.


Voyagers are transcendent even to ordinary witches:

Spoiler

The concept a voyager witch represents is above the nested infinite hierarchy. But as beings of a higher realm, they can completely control the entirety of lower dimensions as they please.

Lambdadelta is an existence as infinitely above someone that can destroy infinitely nested multiverses. The entirety of a lower existence is something that can be toyed around by those of a higher existence.

Lambdadelta can also make someone a witch, bringing them from the human domain across the infinite hierarchy into the transcendent domain of witches:

Spoiler