Is there anything more broken?

[MonsterKaido]

Aah, I think it's just because of the peculiar nature of Umineko's cosmology. It's incredibly vast.

When one becomes a Witch, they surpass spacetime and step into a domain above the infinite hierarchy.

Spoiler

Voyagers are transcendent beyond mere witches:

Spoiler

The concept a voyager witch represents is above the nested infinite hierarchy. But as beings of a higher realm, they can completely control the entirety of lower dimensions as they please.

Lambdadelta is an existence as infinitely above someone that can destroy infinitely nested multiverses. The entirety of a lower existence is something that can be toyed around by those of a higher existence.

Lambdadelta can also make someone a witch, bringing them from the human domain across the infinite hierarchy into the transcendent domain of witches:

Spoiler

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/foru...nbane-vs-hajun-vs-u-do-vs-featherine-1805249/

This is a good read if you want to.............

 

[Cinera]

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/foru...nbane-vs-hajun-vs-u-do-vs-featherine-1805249/

This is a good read if you want to.............

Thanks, I'll give it a read.

 

[Sentinel]

@Cinera @Cao Cao

Wait, the strongest Demonbane characters are only multiverse level+ in VS Battle now???

 

[Shisui]

Not even close. Emperor Joker, Bat Mite, Mad Jim Jaspers, PR Beyonder, Franklin Richard & God Emperor Doom.
You also have characters like Cosmic Armour Superman who can manipulate the story plot to his advantage and World Funniest Mxy who has some toon force like shit.

There is also Protege from Marvel who is op af. A lot of his abilities doesn't even make that much sense. He has longevity and immortality at the same time.

Here are a list of his abilities:
Adaptive, agility, animal control, animation, astral projection, berserker strength, blast power, blood control, chameleon, chemical absorbtion, controlled bone growth, cosmic awareness, danger sense, darkforce manipulation, darkness manipulation, death touch, density control, dimensional manipulation, divine powers, duplication, earth manipulation, elasticity, electricity control, electronic disruption, electronic interaction, emotion control, empathy, energy absorption, energy based constructs, energy manipulation, energy shield, energy-enhanced strike, enhance mutation, escape artist, fire control, flight, force field, gadgets, genetic manipulation, gravity control, healing, heat generation, heat vision, hellfire control, holographic projection, hypnosis, ice breath, ice control, illusion casting, immortal, implants, insanely rich, intellect, invisibility, invulnerability, levitation, longevity, magic, magnetism, necromancy, omni-lingual, phasing/ghost, plant control, power mimicry, power suit, precognition, psionic, psychic, radar sense, radiation, reality manipulation, shape shifter, siphon abilities, siphon lifeforce, size manipulation, sonic scream, soul absorption, stamina,stealth, sub-mariner, super hearing, super sight, super smell, super speed, super strength,synaesthesia, technopathy, telekinesis, telepathy, teleportation, time manipulation, time travel, tracking, vibration wave, voice-induced manipulation, water control, weapon master, weather control, willpower-based constructs & wind bursts.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Aah, I think it's just because of the peculiar nature of Umineko's cosmology. It's incredibly vast.

When one becomes a Witch, they surpass spacetime and step into a domain above the infinite hierarchy.

Spoiler

Witches can create concepts as they please on the outer order (outside the nested infinite hierarchies) realm of the Sea of Fragments:

Umineko Witches = Outerversal by defeault.


Voyagers are transcendent even to ordinary witches:

Spoiler

The concept a voyager witch represents is above the nested infinite hierarchy. But as beings of a higher realm, they can completely control the entirety of lower dimensions as they please.

Lambdadelta is an existence as infinitely above someone that can destroy infinitely nested multiverses. The entirety of a lower existence is something that can be toyed around by those of a higher existence.

Lambdadelta can also make someone a witch, bringing them from the human domain across the infinite hierarchy into the transcendent domain of witches:

Spoiler

This would apply to any character who exists outside of time right? Several characters I’ve named, this applies to.

Even some of the “weaker” (feels wrong to use that word here lol) characters I’ve mentioned are strong enough to obliterate timelines on a universal scale altogether.

When Odin and Seth battled, Odin was not only weakened, but their battle tore at the fabric of the multiverse. Literally their battle threatened the fundamental pillars of existence in general.

Chuck does a great job compiling some Odin feats here:

And like Chuck says in his video, even when using the Odinforce, Odin is not as powerful as Galactus and the Abstracts, who themselves are weaker than the outerversals of Marvel.

 

[Enma]

There are many series that's more broken. Marvel and DC, Spawn Comics, many Light Novels series (like Umineko) and etc, but JoJo would one of the most broken.

 

[MonsterKaido]

Not even close. Emperor Joker, Bat Mite, Mad Jim Jaspers, PR Beyonder, Franklin Richard & God Emperor Doom.
You also have characters like Cosmic Armour Superman who can manipulate the story plot to his advantage and World Funniest Mxy who has some toon force like shit.

There is also Protege from Marvel who is op af. A lot of his abilities doesn't even make that much sense. He has longevity and immortality at the same time.

Here are a list of his abilities:
Adaptive, agility, animal control, animation, astral projection, berserker strength, blast power, blood control, chameleon, chemical absorbtion, controlled bone growth, cosmic awareness, danger sense, darkforce manipulation, darkness manipulation, death touch, density control, dimensional manipulation, divine powers, duplication, earth manipulation, elasticity, electricity control, electronic disruption, electronic interaction, emotion control, empathy, energy absorption, energy based constructs, energy manipulation, energy shield, energy-enhanced strike, enhance mutation, escape artist, fire control, flight, force field, gadgets, genetic manipulation, gravity control, healing, heat generation, heat vision, hellfire control, holographic projection, hypnosis, ice breath, ice control, illusion casting, immortal, implants, insanely rich, intellect, invisibility, invulnerability, levitation, longevity, magic, magnetism, necromancy, omni-lingual, phasing/ghost, plant control, power mimicry, power suit, precognition, psionic, psychic, radar sense, radiation, reality manipulation, shape shifter, siphon abilities, siphon lifeforce, size manipulation, sonic scream, soul absorption, stamina,stealth, sub-mariner, super hearing, super sight, super smell, super speed, super strength,synaesthesia, technopathy, telekinesis, telepathy, teleportation, time manipulation, time travel, tracking, vibration wave, voice-induced manipulation, water control, weapon master, weather control, willpower-based constructs & wind bursts.

Pre-recton Beyonder vs Lucifer who wins

 

[Shisui]

How...is this...even possible?

So out of sheer curiosity, who's the strongest character in each verse?

Elaine Belloc from DC (Daughter of Archangel Michael, Niece of Lucifer and Granddaughter of God basically) & The One Above All from Marvel.

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Pre-recton Beyonder vs Lucifer who wins

PR Beyonder any day of the week. Lucifer would need Michael to even stand a chance.

 

[Enma]

Also @Dragomir my dude, you should learn a bit more about battle forums, then you will get into a wonderful world of "above infinite multiversal", "Acausal", "Infinite Speed", "Reality Warping", "Higher-Dimensional", "Concept Manipulation", "True Immortal" and "Omni-Powers"
:cheers:

 

[Salah WG]

GER is Hard to Explain but what it apparently does is "Cancel"

The reason that Villain was Stuck in a Loop is because of this "Cancel" Power
The Attack was Cancelled & every Moment of Diavolo's Attack was Cancelled & every Time-Skip he did was Cancelled & then his Life was cancelled, meaning he Died, but the crazy part is that his "Death" too got cancelled !!!! And the fact that every time, he woke up in different place, experienced different Death, endlessly show that GER was completely "Cancelling" Space, Time & Reality itself

GER is Easily Most Broken Ability made, because it shown to be able to "Cancel" anything including Attacks, Time, Death, Reality ... etc

For example, Thanos collected Infinity Stones & each Stone have Certain Power, there is Time, Reality, Power, Soul, Space & Mind & with them he can just Snap & delete half the Universe & the Names of those Stones should tell you the Incredible Abilities they control & yet GER shown to be able to Cancel all of them easily

And the Scariest Part is that this is just it's Main Power, but there are Two Other Things it demonstrated in that Scene:

1. It can remain Active Endlessly without Giovanna being there with Diavolo, that means the Broken Power that i just described can be used both "Infinitely" & "Needless" of User or the Stand

2. It activates Automatically when Giovanna is gonna be harmed, so it's also "Automatic" & "Fail Safe"

So yes, GER is Most Broken Ability shown as of yet

 

[Enma]

GER is Hard to Explain but what it apparently does is "Cancel"

The reason that Villain was Stuck in a Loop is because of this "Cancel" Power
The Attack was Cancelled & every Moment of Diavolo's Attack was Cancelled & every Time-Skip he did was Cancelled & then his Life was cancelled, meaning he Died, but the crazy part is that his "Death" too got cancelled !!!! And the fact that every time, he woke up in different place, experienced different Death, endlessly show that GER was completely "Cancelling" Space, Time & Reality itself

GER is Easily Most Broken Ability made, because it shown to be able to "Cancel" anything including Attacks, Time, Death, Reality ... etc

For example, Thanos collected Infinity Stones & each Stone have Certain Power, there is Time, Reality, Power, Soul, Space & Mind & with them he can just Snap & delete half the Universe & the Names of those Stones should tell you the Incredible Abilities they control & yet GER shown to be able to Cancel all of them easily

And the Scariest Part is that this is just it's Main Power, but there are Two Other Things it demonstrated in that Scene:

1. It can remain Active Endlessly without Giovanna being there with Diavolo, that means the Broken Power that i just described can be used both "Infinitely" & "Needless" of User or the Stand

2. It activates Automatically when Giovanna is gonna be harmed, so it's also "Automatic" & "Fail Safe"

So yes, GER is Most Broken Ability shown as of yet

I mean, MCU Thanos would lose to GER definitely, but 616 one? He controls everything inside his universe (literally everything) and by feats, he even above universal (defeated all Abstracts)

 

[Salah WG]

I mean, MCU Thanos would lose to GER definitely, but 616 one? He controls everything inside his universe (literally everything) and by feats, he even above universal (defeated all Abstracts)

GER doesn't Control anything, as i said it "Cancels"
There is no Broken Power more than "Cancelling" anything you do

Doesn't matter whether it's Universal or Multiverse Power, GER shown to be able to Cancel Power, Time, Death, Life, Reality, Space ... etc
And use this Power Infinitely, Automatically & Needless of anything

And i'm just talking about the Power he received after he acquired GER, we didn't talk about how it Boosted his also Powerful Hax & Abilities such as Granting & Creating Life, Redirecting Damage ... etc

Also, it should be noted that Diavolo can Skip Time, he himself was already Cancelling Time & yet GER could Cancel that lol
It could Cancel a Canceling Ability on a Scale of Time

I honestly can't see anyone stopping GER

 

[MonsterKaido]

GER doesn't Control anything, as i said it "Cancels"
There is no Broken Power more than "Cancelling" anything you do

Doesn't matter whether it's Universal or Multiverse Power, GER shown to be able to Cancel Power, Time, Death, Life, Reality, Space ... etc
And use this Power Infinitely, Automatically & Needless of anything

And i'm just talking about the Power he received after he acquired GER, we didn't talk about how it Boosted his also Powerful Hax & Abilities such as Granting & Creating Life, Redirecting Damage ... etc

Also, it should be noted that Diavolo can Skip Time, he himself was already Cancelling Time & yet GER could Cancel that lol
It could Cancel & Canceling Ability on a Scale of Time

I honestly can't see anyone stopping GER

GER is universal..........multiversal characters destroy it.........jojo canon is universal there is absolutely no proof it affects mulitverse

 

[Rej]

While Jojo is one of the weakest verses in terms of physical stats, it undoubtedly contains some of the most hax powers of all time. Ranging from time-skipping with the part 5 villain and...

Spoiler: Spoilers for those who haven't checked out part 6 and part 7

In part 6, the main villain gained the power to accelerate time so far to the point that he could reset the universe. In part 7, the main villain could switch between alternate universes by simply fitting himself into a corner.

The most broken of all being Gold Experience Requiem.

Spoiler

Basically, how its power works is that if you decided to attack the user, Giorno, it will automatically activate and cancel the attack, punch you to death and send you into a death loop when you die over and over again. Giorno himself is not even aware of how this ability works. It happens without his will. Whether you throw the moon at him, kick a couple of rocks, or try to kill him with your mind, if your intention is to harm Giorno, GER will activate.

As per the thread title, is there anything more broken?

Spoiler: Tags

@RayanOO @Akai2 @Seth @Light D Lamperouge @Admiral Lee Hung @Haoshoku @Jiihad @Steven @Bullet etc

Spoiler: KHR spoiler

Go Watch Katekyo Hitman Reborn that antagonist there had the power to travel between parallel universes. He destroyed all other parallel universes where he would have lost and only the perfect timeline literally remained where he built his dystopia.

 

[Cinera]

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/foru...nbane-vs-hajun-vs-u-do-vs-featherine-1805249/

This is a good read if you want to.............

Seen, this is kinda outdated for Umineko.

Featherine is High 1A, below only the true Tier 0 Characters (Azatoth, Yog Sothoth, The Creator, The Writer, etc.).

Umineko characters are generally ridiculous by virtue of cosmology. Umineko's cosmology is pretty expansive.

The basic setup is:

• There are an infinite hierarchy of dimensions/layers/orders
• Beings of a higher layer can completely control, create, and manipulate lower orders
• They are beyond the causality, concepts and laws of the lower realms
• There are distinct domains that contain their own infinite hierarchy, and between each of these domains is a qualitative jump to a fundamentally greater infinite domain
• The domain of witches transcends the infinite human domain, and witches control the fate and stories of beings of lower worlds
• Normal witches are limited only to their own territory (no matter how vast (nested multiverses) it may be). The embody the laws of their own territory.
• Voyagers are those who evolve and adapt across the infinite hierarchy of the Realm of Witches (and even higher 3rd Domain) ascending towards the realm of the Creator. They traverse the boundless infiniteness of the Sea of Fragments that contains all infinitely nested multiverses that underlie the domain of Witches and the domain even higher than that.
• They are causal, transdual, abstract entities, existing across all possibilities as the embodiment of a concept. They are beyond fate, destiny, life, death, existence and nonexistence.
• The Depths of Oblivion is another infiniteness outside the infinitely nested hierarchy of the Three Domains. Those Voyagers who miss their step in their evolution fall her into the boundless nothingness. Life and Death hold no meaning here.
• However, if they begin to think again, they can return from this nothingness.
• Featherine Augustus Aurora is the greatest of Witches. She transcended the Infinite hierarchy of the Realms of Witches, the infinite hierarchy of the 3rd Domain yet beyond that and reached the Realm of God and The Creator. However, she who reached that realm returned. She watches over the witches from the 3rd Domain, transcending them in the same way Witches transcend humans.

I think the powerscaling is something like:

• Witches:
  • Complex multiversal to high complex multiversal+
    • Most stats are irrelevant or immeasurable for them
  • As transcendent entities they have absolute dominion over lower levels
  • Beyond the concepts of lower levels
  • Tier: 1C - High 1B
• Voyagers
  • Hyperversal to Outerversal to Outerversal+
  • True/abstract form
    • Omnipresent
    • Embodiment of a concept across all infinite possibilities
    • Transdual (beyond life, death, existence and nonexistence, possibility and impossibility)
    • Abstract existence at the core of their being
  • Tier: 1A - 1A+(?)
• Featherine:
  • Outerversal+
  • Omnipresent in true form
  • Transcendent even to Voyagers
  • Tier: High 1A
• The Creator
  • Boundless
  • Free from all restrictions including identity and meaning
  • The end goal of the endless evolution and adaptation of Voyagers
  • Tier: 0

@Sentinel, @MonsterKaido, @Steven, @Admiral Lee Hung

 

[MonsterKaido]

Seen, this is kinda outdated for Umineko.

Featherine is High 1A, below only the true Tier 0 Characters (Azatoth, Yog Sothoth, The Creator, The Writer, etc.).

Umineko characters are generally ridiculous by virtue of cosmology. Umineko's cosmology is pretty expansive.

The basic setup is:

• There are an infinite hierarchy of dimensions/layers/orders
• Beings of a higher layer can completely control, create, and manipulate lower orders
• They are beyond the causality, concepts and laws of the lower realms
• There are distinct domains that contain their own infinite hierarchy, and between each of these domains I'd a qualitative jump
• The domain of witches transcends the infinite human domain, and witches control the fate and stories of beings of lower worlds
• Normal witches are limited only to their own territory (no matter how vast (nested multiverses) it may be). The embody the laws of their own territory.
• Voyagersvare those who evolve and adapt across the infinite hierarchy of the Realm of Witches (and even higher 3rd Domain) ascending towards the realm of the Creator. They traverse the boundless infiniteness of the Sea of Fragments that contains all infinitely nested multiverses that underlie the domain of Witches and the domain even higher than that.
• They are causal, transdual, abstract entities, existing across all possibilities as the embodiment of a concept. They are beyond fate, destiny, life, death, existence and nonexistence.
• The Depths of Oblivion is another infiniteness outside the infinitely nested hierarchy of the Three Domains. Those Voyagers who miss their step in their evolution fall her into the boundless nothingness. Life and Death hold no meaning here.
• However, if they begin to think again, they can return from this nothingness.
• Featherine Augustus Aurora is the greatest of Witches. She transcended the Infinite hierarchy of the Realms of Witches, the infinite hierarchy of the 3rd Domain yet beyond that and reached the Realm of God and The Creator. However, she who reached that realm returned. She watches over the witches from the 3rd Domain, transcending them in the same way Witches transcend humans.

I think the powerscaling is something like:

• Witches:
  • Complex multiversal to high complex multiversal+ (most stats are irrelevant for them)
  • As transcendent entities they have absolute dominion over lower levels
  • Beyond the concepts of lower levels
  • Tier: 1C - High 1B
• Voyagers
  • Outerversal to Outerversal+
  • True/abstract form
    • Omnipresent
    • Transdual (beyond life, death, existence and nonexistence, possibility and impossibility)
    • Embodiment of a concept across all infinite possibilities
  • Tier: 1A - 1A+(?)
• Featherine:
  • Outerversal+
  • Omnipresent in true form
  • Transcendent even to Voyagers
  • Tier: High 1A
• The Creator
  • Boundless
  • Free from all restrictions including identity and meaning
  • Tier: 0

@Sentinel, @MonsterKaido, @Steven, @Admiral Lee Hung

Yeah it just gives you some understanding thats all.............every verse has their own set of rules and meanings a high multiverse in a universe can be omniverse and so on..........its up to you how you interpret them............

 

[Salah WG]

GER is universal..........multiversal characters destroy it.........jojo canon is universal there is absolutely no proof it affects mulitverse

It's funny how you tell me "No Proof it affects Multiverse" but still say "Multiverse Destroy it"
Do you have Proof that it can't work on Multiverse Level?

Because even Hardcore Fans sometimes Fail to understand what GER even does & yet you claim it's not Multiverse Level
It's also a Power we literally only saw Once, we haven't seen GER using more of it's Abilities or showing it's Limits

The Message of the Author is Clear, he didn't want to dive deeper into this Power because it's hard to be explained but the Point is that it's Most Broken, it Cancels anything

 

[Enma]

GER doesn't Control anything, as i said it "Cancels"
There is no Broken Power more than "Cancelling" anything you do

Doesn't matter whether it's Universal or Multiverse Power, GER shown to be able to Cancel Power, Time, Death, Life, Reality, Space ... etc
And use this Power Infinitely, Automatically & Needless of anything

And i'm just talking about the Power he received after he acquired GER, we didn't talk about how it Boosted his also Powerful Hax & Abilities such as Granting & Creating Life, Redirecting Damage ... etc

Also, it should be noted that Diavolo can Skip Time, he himself was already Cancelling Time & yet GER could Cancel that lol
It could Cancel a Canceling Ability on a Scale of Time

I honestly can't see anyone stopping GER

Well, for example, any high-tier magic user (Dr.Strange or Dr.Fate) will do, anyone above these concepts will do, any reality-warper will do, anyone who is Multiversal will do, any Omnilock character will do, anyone with ability canceling will do and Omnipotents will surely do. Many will do, since GER is only universal.

 

[MonsterKaido]

It's funny how you tell me "No Proof it affects Multiverse" but still say "Multiverse Destroy it"
Do you have Proof that it can't work on Multiverse Level?

Because even Hardcore Fans sometimes Fail to understand what GER even does & yet you claim it's not Multiverse Level
It's also a Power we literally only saw Once, we haven't seen GER using more of it's Abilities or showing it's Limits

The Message of the Author is Clear, he didn't want to dive deeper into this Power because it's hard to be explained by the Point is that it's Most Broken, it Cancels anything

Dude GER cancels any event thats is going to happen immediately and throws them on infinite death loop there is nothing else..........no there exist only one GER.........so universal..........it can't exist in other verses..........do you even know about other verses?

 

[Enma]

It's funny how you tell me "No Proof it affects Multiverse" but still say "Multiverse Destroy it"
Do you have Proof that it can't work on Multiverse Level?

Because even Hardcore Fans sometimes Fail to understand what GER even does & yet you claim it's not Multiverse Level
It's also a Power we literally only saw Once, we haven't seen GER using more of it's Abilities or showing it's Limits

The Message of the Author is Clear, he didn't want to dive deeper into this Power because it's hard to be explained but the Point is that it's Most Broken, it Cancels anything

Dude, are you one of those who say that Saitama can beat anyone? GER by feats is only universal. Go with this shit to comicvine or spacebattles and i will watch at this.