Powers & Abilities Its time to accept admirals dont have any advanced abilities
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Yes, Nika will definitely defeat Saturn in my eyes.
Keep in mind that this is my perception of the story and I was the first one to say that Luffy would take down Kizaru very quickly and he may even one shot him with a G5 attack comparable to Bajrang gun. We still got a bit more than a one shot but we got the one shot. It didn't of course take Kizaru down permanently.
I'm not 100% accurate but I knew that the fight would not be long and that a named G5 attack comparable to Bajrang gun could put Kizaru down. I just didn't know it would be temporary because I did not know about Saturn's real strength.
Why do I think that Nika will defeat Saturn?
- Saturn came to Egghead because Kizaru failed his mission, to take over Kizaru's mission
- Saturn has already proven to be stronger than Kizaru
- Saturn is really posing a threat to Luffy's friends, he eye diffed them and he is about to kill them, Kizaru did not even get close as Luffy was in the way
- Luffy/Nika gets really angry when the opponent is really being a threat his friends, Kizaru was only trying
- The flashback where Kuma tells Bonney that Nika will liberate him
- The flashback where Kuma's dad tells Kuma that Nika will come to him one day
- Nika will defeat Saturn and liberate both Bonney and Kuma, it's so blatantly obvious
- That will shock the entire world
- Nika will be displayed in the newspaper, pictures and the name of "warrior of liberation sun god Nika is back"
- Nika liberates Vegapunk and defeats an elder
- The Egghead incident is the fall of the elder Saturn and marines failing in their mission of killing Vegapunk
- Luffy will get a huge bounty increase that will be at least 4.4b (will surpass Shanks')
- Zoro will get also a huge bounty increase for defeating Kizaru (3b bounty or higher)
- Luffy will meet Shanks in Elbaf and give him the SH back (Shanks will come back to Elbaf)
Keep in mind that this is my perception of the story and I was the first one to say that Luffy would take down Kizaru very quickly and he may even one shot him with a G5 attack comparable to Bajrang gun. We still got a bit more than a one shot but we got the one shot. It didn't of course take Kizaru down permanently.
I'm not 100% accurate but I knew that the fight would not be long and that a named G5 attack comparable to Bajrang gun could put Kizaru down. I just didn't know it would be temporary because I did not know about Saturn's real strength.
Why do I think that Nika will defeat Saturn?
- Saturn came to Egghead because Kizaru failed his mission, to take over Kizaru's mission
- Saturn has already proven to be stronger than Kizaru
- Saturn is really posing a threat to Luffy's friends, he eye diffed them and he is about to kill them, Kizaru did not even get close as Luffy was in the way
- Luffy/Nika gets really angry when the opponent is really being a threat his friends, Kizaru was only trying
- The flashback where Kuma tells Bonney that Nika will liberate him
- The flashback where Kuma's dad tells Kuma that Nika will come to him one day
- Nika will defeat Saturn and liberate both Bonney and Kuma, it's so blatantly obvious
- That will shock the entire world
- Nika will be displayed in the newspaper, pictures and the name of "warrior of liberation sun god Nika is back"
- Nika liberates Vegapunk and defeats an elder
- The Egghead incident is the fall of the elder Saturn and marines failing in their mission of killing Vegapunk
- Luffy will get a huge bounty increase that will be at least 4.4b (will surpass Shanks')
- Zoro will get also a huge bounty increase for defeating Kizaru (3b bounty or higher)
- Luffy will meet Shanks in Elbaf and give him the SH back (Shanks will come back to Elbaf)
So no “advanced abilities” yet still can trash Snakeman, and fight Gear5 comfortably while half assing the fight
My point is that Kizaru likely has future sight, which is refuting what the author of this thread is saying. For some reason you decided to jump in and try to argue power levels with me though which is funny because you seem to agree. Perhaps you were just trying to rile me up thinking I was a rabid admiral wanker?
My point is that Kizaru likely has future sight, which is refuting what the author of this thread is saying. For some reason you decided to jump in and try to argue power levels with me though which is funny because you seem to agree. Perhaps you were just trying to rile me up thinking I was a rabid admiral wanker?
What if he got advCoC through the fight with Kuzan? Haki blooms in the heat of battle and this was probably the furthest Akainu has been pushed in his life.
If Oda thought this would be an issue he wouldn't have decided to include CoC on Sengoku's Vivre Card. Every Fleet Admiral will have conquerors haki.
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If Oda thought this would be an issue he wouldn't have decided to include CoC on Sengoku's Vivre Card. Every Fleet Admiral will have conquerors haki.
but unfortunately , we never got that
and we have also seen kizaru go all out
oda will never show a toptier getting defeated without even showing his true form
and we have also seen kizaru go all out
oda will never show a toptier getting defeated without even showing his true form
Actually this arc makes it even more obvious that Kizaru has future sight as he used the exact same move as katakuri.
i have alrdy talked abt this
u dont need future sight to do stuff like this
so he did use some new stuff
??
his kicks are never named
but he still uses a strong one which was highlighted enough
welp i guess people including me overestimated admirals
i used to think these guys have future sight and awakening but that simply isnt the case anymore
so kizaru will rather fail his mission , get fucked up so much that he is unable to move , fail to protect gorosei ( a high ranking celestial dragon)
than just going all out ? seems like copium to me
monet doesnt have coo ? idk abt that
but she is just an example used to debunk that u only need future sight to dodge attacks like that
we have smoker as another example who def has observation haki
seems like defeat to me
So no “advanced abilities” yet still can trash Snakeman, and fight Gear5 comfortably while half assing the fight
So no “advanced abilities” yet still can trash Snakeman, and fight Gear5 comfortably while half assing the fight
Well you do need it to keep up with Snakeman. Luffy literally invented it to counter Katakuri and Luffy was blitzing Kaido with it until he used future sight to evade it. Kizaru blocking it casually says a lot. Would be weird for him to just "be fast" with no substance.
Also the admirals and Katakuri's way of morphing is evidently different from logias like Monet and Smoker. It's almost as if they know exactly where the attack is going to land and perfectly morph around it. That's the entire reason why Luffy couldn't understand why his haki was doing nothing to Kat. He couldn't tell he was dodging.
In comparison we see Monet, Smoker, and even Sabo turning all or most of their body into their elemental form and crudely dodging an attack. That seems to be a more basic application as they can sense the attack but not actually see its exact trajectory.
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Also the admirals and Katakuri's way of morphing is evidently different from logias like Monet and Smoker. It's almost as if they know exactly where the attack is going to land and perfectly morph around it. That's the entire reason why Luffy couldn't understand why his haki was doing nothing to Kat. He couldn't tell he was dodging.
In comparison we see Monet, Smoker, and even Sabo turning all or most of their body into their elemental form and crudely dodging an attack. That seems to be a more basic application as they can sense the attack but not actually see its exact trajectory.
That would be Super Disrespectful, cuz it means Yamato learned it without ever leaving her Home & barely Fought anyone, while Akainu could only learn it in his 50s, even though his Seniors (Garp & Sengoku had it), so He clearly knows about it. It also doesn't fit his Fighting Style at all
His Main Goal in a Fight is to Melt you or put a Hole in you, Haki isn't needed here
It's similar to Magellan's Fighting Style, any Opponent needs to avoid his Poison, whether you add Haki or not to it, won't change the Outcome
Sengoku is not just any Fleet Admiral, that's like saying throughout History, WG only accepts CoC Users as Fleet Admirals & We know They are Promoted from Admiral Position, so that means for WG to ensure FA has CoC, then They only put CoC Users as Admirals, which clearly isn't the case
Sengoku is like Roger of Marines (With Garp as his Whitebeard), He has "Reigning Justice", He is Buddha, literally a Religious Figure, He & Garp & Tsuru are considered Legends regardless of their Rank (Garp is a Vice Admiral for example), and when Roger was Introduced in Oden's Flashback, He didn't say "Bring me an Admiral", He said "Bring me Garp or Sengoku"
It's pretty clear that Sengoku & Garp are above just a Marine Rank, if you want to compare it to Pirates, Fleet Admiral is Equivalent of "Great Pirate", but just like not every Great Pirate is considered as Legendary as Roger & WB, Admirals are not considered as Legendary as Sengoku & Garp
Also if you check entire Manga before Start of Final Saga, you will find that Oda showed us Signature Attacks of every Strong Character whom Luffy met, except who? Shanks, Mihawk, Dragon, Whitebeard, Rayleigh, Sengoku & Garp
Literally the Group of Characters who are Hyped to have Roger Level Haki, Oda simply leaves Best for Last.
We've already seen Four Named & Very Powerful Attacks from Akainu, no need to expect a Major Upgrade, at Best We are gonna get two more Attacks & his Ultimate Move (Something Island Level), that's all
There is also the Fact that there is still another Promotion for FA which is becoming Commander In Chief of Mary Geoise like Kong, so it's not question of Rank, FA Position is same as Admirals, CoC isn't Necessary
His Main Goal in a Fight is to Melt you or put a Hole in you, Haki isn't needed here
It's similar to Magellan's Fighting Style, any Opponent needs to avoid his Poison, whether you add Haki or not to it, won't change the Outcome
Sengoku is not just any Fleet Admiral, that's like saying throughout History, WG only accepts CoC Users as Fleet Admirals & We know They are Promoted from Admiral Position, so that means for WG to ensure FA has CoC, then They only put CoC Users as Admirals, which clearly isn't the case
Sengoku is like Roger of Marines (With Garp as his Whitebeard), He has "Reigning Justice", He is Buddha, literally a Religious Figure, He & Garp & Tsuru are considered Legends regardless of their Rank (Garp is a Vice Admiral for example), and when Roger was Introduced in Oden's Flashback, He didn't say "Bring me an Admiral", He said "Bring me Garp or Sengoku"
It's pretty clear that Sengoku & Garp are above just a Marine Rank, if you want to compare it to Pirates, Fleet Admiral is Equivalent of "Great Pirate", but just like not every Great Pirate is considered as Legendary as Roger & WB, Admirals are not considered as Legendary as Sengoku & Garp
Also if you check entire Manga before Start of Final Saga, you will find that Oda showed us Signature Attacks of every Strong Character whom Luffy met, except who? Shanks, Mihawk, Dragon, Whitebeard, Rayleigh, Sengoku & Garp
Literally the Group of Characters who are Hyped to have Roger Level Haki, Oda simply leaves Best for Last.
We've already seen Four Named & Very Powerful Attacks from Akainu, no need to expect a Major Upgrade, at Best We are gonna get two more Attacks & his Ultimate Move (Something Island Level), that's all
There is also the Fact that there is still another Promotion for FA which is becoming Commander In Chief of Mary Geoise like Kong, so it's not question of Rank, FA Position is same as Admirals, CoC isn't Necessary
