Jujutsu Kaisen 237 SPOILERS

[zenox]

kashimo has simply broken the barrier of powerscaling
we used to think the only people who can even get a feat against the honoured ones are the honoured ones themselves
only gojo and sukuna can fight each other

but here comes kashimo
a character also with the theme of being lonely due to being the strongest

jogo wasnt even able to HIT 15 fingers sukuna who was toying with him

ryuu ( who was going toe to toe with the second strongest modern sorcerer )

Spoiler: ryuu vs yuta

got absolutely trashed by sukuna

meanwhile kashimo is making 20 fingers get smacked and dodge his attacks

Spoiler: kashimo hype

he is truly on another level than these scrubs

he will now fight og form sukuna

kashimo is abt to get some insane feats out of this
which will solidify his position among top 3 of jjk

1. strongest of heian era - ryomen sukuna
2. strongest of modern era - gojo satoru
3. strongest of edo era - hajime kashimo

 

[ConquistadoR]

Hakari's Final Arc matchup = Uraume....

Yuta's Final Arc matchup =

Yuta greatness incoming

 

[Apollo]

But that would just split Kashimo, that won’t work if his body is electricity

if the slashes don't work, would a punch or a kick work? I don't think so. It makes Malevolent shrine's sure hit useless because even when it "hits" its not dealing damage.

In which case Sukuna is getting another technique that he'll be forced to forget when he fights Yuji.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

if the slashes don't work, would a punch or a kick work? I don't think so. It makes Malevolent shrine's sure hit useless because even when it "hits" its not dealing damage.

In which case Sukuna is getting another technique that he'll be forced to forget when he fights Yuji.

There’s a good chance lol

 

[Moegara]

We knew he was holding himself back from way before that, and we know he could have won using different tactics.

That doesn't mean he could just "neg" Gojo from the get go, and he did get beaten almost to dead (his strategy almost failed him when Gojo started with the Black Flashes, and he did get scared for a moment).

So he's far from a Gary Stu.

@notAfanboy
Let me add to this that: Sukuna even fell for the Red "going around" shenanigan, and the "Blue was still there waiting to take a Red" shenanigan.

Being outsmarted twice isn't Gary Stuish. He isn't an idiot either, on the contrary, his plans have paid off so far, but he isn't a perfect being that makes no mistakes.

 

[notAfanboy]

We knew he was holding himself back from way before that, and we know he could have won using different tactics.

That doesn't mean he could just "neg" Gojo from the get go, and he did get beaten almost to dead (his strategy almost failed him when Gojo started with the Black Flashes, and he did get scared for a moment).

So he's far from a Gary Stu.

How it failed when Mahoraga succeeded in adapting infinity first time and yet he had the time to do it again.

Are you forgetting that he could always switch to his original form and be like: Booyah, I am fresh as hell boy, try again. Lol

All in all, he had everything under his control, that's why he had a smile on his face throughout the fight. Gojo was fighting against inevitable.

@notAfanboy
Let me add to this that: Sukuna even fell for the Red "going around" shenanigan, and the "Blue was still there waiting to take a Red" shenanigan.

Being outsmarted twice isn't Gary Stuish. He isn't an idiot either, on the contrary, his plans have paid off so far, but he isn't a perfect being that makes no mistakes.

This was inconsequential knowing that he had his original form as a trump card. Especially when it could heal all the damage. Plus, he also had Agito's healing ability.

Toooo many options for him to outperform Gojo.
You are using 2-3 instances where Gojo managed to look good as counter argument.
Even Gojo said Sukuna is using riskier method. Nothing can prove that Sukuna was on death's door against Gojo.

 

[Moegara]

How it failed when Mahoraga succeeded in adapting infinity first time and yet he had the time to do it again.

Are you forgetting that he could always switch to his original form and be like: Booyah, I am fresh as hell boy, try again. Lol

All in all, he had everything under his control, that's why he had a smile on his face throughout the fight. Gojo was fighting against inevitable.

Being ultimately superior to Gojo, or having better cards to play, isn't the definition of a Gary Stu.

Would you call Gojo a Gary Stu for being suddenly capable of "healing Cured Technique cooldown"? Because that's more it (and it does apply to Sukuna imitating it, of course, but you aren't bringing it up).

 

[Golden Garp]

I feel like Kashimo is gonna be Jogo 2.0. Guy looked like he was shitting bricks when he saw True Form Sukuna.

 

[notAfanboy]

Being ultimately superior to Gojo, or having better cards to play, isn't the definition of a Gary Stu.

Would you call Gojo a Gary Stu for being suddenly capable of "healing Cured Technique cooldown"? Because that's more it (and it does apply to Sukuna imitating it, of course, but you aren't bringing it up).

No, I did bring it up. You just jumped in on the conversation without context.
Yes, it takes a Gary Stu to defeat a Gary Stu.

Not my problem. Both of them had their Gary Stu moments.

Having better cards to play? Or the whole deck? The whole game table was his territory.
On top of that, his CT is still not revealed.
The whole fight was a sendoff to Gojo, or a fan service. I can bring up my comments after 4-5 chapters of this fight where I was saying this should better end fast or it will keep getting weird.

 

[Moegara]

No, I did bring it up. You just jumped in on the conversation without context.
Yes, it takes a Gary Stu to defeat a Gary Stu.

Not my problem. Both of them had their Gary Stu moments.

Having better cards to play? Or the whole deck? The whole game table was his territory.
On top of that, his CT is still not revealed.
The whole fight was a sendoff to Gojo, or a fan service. I can bring up my comments after 4-5 chapters of this fight where I was saying this should better end fast or it will keep getting weird.

We'll disagree then.

They both had ridiculous moments, but particularly Sukuna did plenty stuff improper of a Gary Stu, and even after his strategy paid off there's an implicit "Gojo didn't expect that" or he wouldn't have been one shot just because Infinity was bypassed. One character being superior to another (who still pushed him hard) doesn't make him a Gary Stu, no matter how versatile he is.

I disagree with the "Sukuna just dominates with no effort because of having multiple options" just as much as I disagree with "He wouldn't win without Ten Shadows because Infinity".

I didn't inted to jump into any conversation, though, which is why I quoted no one on my original post: I saw multiple comments through the thread calling Sukuna a Gary Stu, and I made a standalone point about why I don't consider him one. Something I stand by.

 

[notAfanboy]

We'll disagree then.

They both had ridiculous moments, but particularly Sukuna did plenty stuff improper of a Gary Stu, and even after his strategy paid off there's an implicit "Gojo didn't expect that" or he wouldn't have been one shot just because Infinity was bypassed. One character being superior to another (who still pushed him hard) doesn't make him a Gary Stu, no matter how versatile he is.

I disagree with the "Sukuna just dominates with no effort because of having multiple options" just as much as I disagree with "He wouldn't win without Ten Shadows because Infinity".

I didn't inted to jump into any conversation, though, which is why I quoted no one on my original post: I saw multiple comments through the thread calling Sukuna a Gary Stu, and I made a standalone point about why I don't consider him one. Something I stand by.

Sure.

But according to my understadning, Sukuna felt like he had one extra life like in video games. He always had the insurance.
Plus, he had the best loadout:
He did not even use Fire Arrow, no real CT, no real form, and not even a cursed tool.

On top of that, Gege didnt establish any clear weakness of Sukuna. For example, Kaido had clear weakness in form of bypassing his scales. In Gojo's case, it was his inviolability/infinity.
Mention one weakness of Sukuna and I will concede.

 

[matt245]

Sure.

But according to my understadning, Sukuna felt like he had one extra life like in video games. He always had the insurance.
Plus, he had the best loadout:
He did not even use Fire Arrow, no real CT, no real form, and not even a cursed tool.

On top of that, Gege didnt establish any clear weakness of Sukuna. For example, Kaido had clear weakness in form of bypassing his scales. In Gojo's case, it was his inviolability/infinity.
Mention one weakness of Sukuna and I will concede.

Well, attacks can actually hit him since he doesn't have an ability that prevents 90% of the attacks from hitting him. Like, what weakness does Yuta have? What about Yuji? Maki? Probably the standard things which also apply to Sukuna

 

[Ice devil slayer]

Crazy how sukuna basically used nothing against gojo lol

 

[MUUGEN]

btw translations out on opscans now:
https://opscans.com/jujutsu-chapter?param=3

 

[Moegara]

Sure.

But according to my understadning, Sukuna felt like he had one extra life like in video games. He always had the insurance.
Plus, he had the best loadout:
He did not even use Fire Arrow, no real CT, no real form, and not even a cursed tool.

On top of that, Gege didnt establish any clear weakness of Sukuna. For example, Kaido had clear weakness in form of bypassing his scales. In Gojo's case, it was his inviolability/infinity.
Mention one weakness of Sukuna and I will concede.

It confuses me a bit that your definition of a clear weaknesses is precisely the most overhyped/broken passive defense of each character. I see where you're coming from, as "that's the ability we have to surpass to beat them" but it's still just their most broken abilities rather than actual weaknesses.

Sukuna, at least until he reveals his CT, doesn't have a specific broken passive waiting to be overcome, so weirdly by not being capable of mentioning one broken passive of his it seems like I'm saying he has no weaknesses. Yet on the contrary to me it means he has many weaknesses (which is why Gojo could have "good moments" against him).

Sukuna did indeed have one life insurance (single use and very specific to the circumstances) and saved many things, but he didn't rely on Mahoraga because he's a masochist, he went with that strategy as a gambit, meaning that sure, he had other strategies he could have gone with, but he considered his chances with Mahoraga were worth it: nothing implies his other options would have allowed him to just easily and surely win the fight. Whatever the strategy, he would have to take risks. Gojo admitted inferiority, but still thought it possible he could maybe win against Sukuna without Ten Shadows.

So once again, this fight didn't portray him as a Gary Stu to me. There was even a point his eyes went white from how hard Gojo got him after he outsmarted him with Red and Black Flashed him.

He is definitely overpowered and overly skilled, though, and stronger than Gojo, but that's just fine for the final villain hailed as the strongest sorcerer ever that has been hyped since chapter 1.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Crazy how sukuna basically used nothing against gojo lol

Watch us get a line about how he's way faster and stronger in this form too lol

 

[LeMillion1999]

agree geges writing gone to shit in 2 chapters idk how this is possible

Megumi not coming back, what are you still doing here

 

[Moegara]

Well, attacks can actually hit him since he doesn't have an ability that prevents 90% of the attacks from hitting him. Like, what weakness does Yuta have? What about Yuji? Maki? Probably the standard things which also apply to Sukuna

More or less what I intended to say in my second paragraph just now but probably worded better.

 

[notAfanboy]

Well, attacks can actually hit him since he doesn't have an ability that prevents 90% of the attacks from hitting him. Like, what weakness does Yuta have? What about Yuji? Maki? Probably the standard things which also apply to Sukuna

How is it a weakness when he could just switch to original form?
Or had an option like Madoka deer (?) to heal him?

And if Hollow Purple didnt take more than one arm, how crazy is his durability?
On top of this, you cant destroy Sukuna's FINGERS.
And so on.

- Yuji: no domain expansion yet, so he loses in DE battle, no RCT
- Maki: Same as Yuji,
- Yuta: No open barrier domain, still loses to Kenjaku and Sukuna considering Yuki needed Tengen's help to dismantle the domain.
- Hakari: cant use RCT outside of his domain. Loses in domain battle against Sukuna and Kenjaku

 

[LeMillion1999]

Nobara - not a word from her
Todo - look up
Salmon Salmon - look up
Gojo - off screned
Megumi - ???

This man is an idiot

What are you talking about