Powers & Abilities Kaido/Greenbull performance against Scabbards & Yamato: Comprehensive Guide

[Mimka]

There are significant restrictions here. CDs are gods, any casualty is not tolerated. If anything the admirals had to protect them from the revos, especially sabos fire aoe.



True, that's why this manga is absurd sometimes. Recency is a disease, everyone is busting the admirals because it's their turn now to fuck up due to plot and forget the whole yonko saga was a shit show.


Big Mom, no matter how nerfed, failed to do anything to low tier strawhats for 12 hours, there's no excuse to that I'm telling you.

People you claim could solo the whole alliance should be able to deal with commander without making any casualty. Same way kaido dealt with luffy once serious in base. It would have actually made things simple


She would have killed them if it weren't for that weird PTSD, you can't have the main cast dead half way through the story, i would have said it's plot but you know how people would take it

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This is a massively impressionist manga with Luffy healing with milk.


How is that relevant to him not having FS?

Do you need FS to be the strongest?

Just pointing out the double standard you are using. You say i need things to be stated to understand how things work but when it's stated kaido is the strongest you just don't believe it, how convenient

 

[SakazOuki]

People you claim could solo the whole alliance should be able to deal with commander without making any casualty. Same way kaido dealt with luffy once serious in base. It would have actually made things simple

None of them is stronger than the alliance, if he was going to succeed at the mission it would be outsmarting their opponent.
You should know not all powers are equal, admirals devil fruits are all natural disasters with huge aoe. Kaido relies more on his haki, his devil fruit only augments his pure physicals stats first and foremost, while giving him some decent aoe.

She would have killed them if it weren't for that weird PTSD, you can't have the main cast dead half way through the story, i would have said

Having 0 mental fortitude is part of someone's powerlevel. If it was a quick interaction I might oversee this, but 12 hours against low tier SHs is way too much.

it's plot but you know how people would take it

Yeah I can make many claims on yonko side too, I don't do that because it's pointless to argue shounen plot bs.

Kudos to you btw you're the first yanker who throws in actual arguments

 

[Midnight Delight]

when it's stated kaido is the strongest you just don't believe it,

When did I say anyone else is stronger?

 

[Mimka]

When did I say anyone else is stronger?

Do you believe kaido > all (legends aside) ?

 

[Midnight Delight]

Do you believe kaido > all (legends aside) ?

Yes(other than Imu)
I just don't think he has FA

 

[Windfall Island]

@SakazOuki

You forgot to include this panel so i did about Base Yamato fighting GreenBull :-

After Base Yamato's unnamed attack hit GreenBull says:- "Urgh..Man That Hurt!! " lmao. Dont run away from this Admiral fans lol.

1)Luffy made a huge jump in power after he got Acoc.

2)Admirals have not been shown to have Acoc.

3)Oda had to even hold Yamato back by making Momo tell Yamato to hold back and not even touch GB to prevent yet another Acoc user( Yamato) from busting Admiral hype lol. And yet Admiral fans want to stay in denial.
Just one unnamed attack from Base Yamato made GreenBull hold his head & exclaim "Urgh..Man That Hurt!!" lol.

4)Plus (Oda via)Shanks pretty much confirmed that the Alliance members who had created history were still recovering and Aramaki trying to encash on this opportunity is tasteless. Meaning that had GB would have fought then he would then be fighting still recovering SHs ,Kidd etc and not like he would be fighting 100% health recovered SHs. Thats why that coward thought he could take them all out and got burnt by Momo lol.

5)Admirals unless they show Acoc are not on same level as yonkos.

6)Bottomline Portrayal of this chapter(powerscaling wise) is that Shanks with his Acoc can intimidate even an Admiral to back off scare & run away just like how Luffy intimidated wild animals into submission.
Here read this again:-

Look at that GB's reaction to Shank's CoC :- "Woah wait wait " lol.

GB is snotting and sweating in Top left and Bottom left panels. You cant deny that Admiral fans.


7) Needless to say this looks great for Shanks and embarrasing for GB. GB even admitted that if Kaido were here, he wouldnt have come in to attack. How much more clear can he be in admitting that Yonkos with Acoc scare the sh*t out of him.

Forget about Kaido and Shanks & their Acoc. Yamato with her Acoc is more than enough for GB.

8) See for yourself GB admitting that he wouldnt have come if Kaido were still in charge :-

9)And lastly, the portrayal of Yonkos vs Admirals. Shanks vs Aramaki in this chapter just goes on to show how Admirals without Acoc cant even dream to be placed on the same level as Yonkos. The difference in their portrayal this chapter is so big that Admiral fans are busy doing the damage control with all their mental gymnastics that after a while its less funny & more tragic to watch lol.

 

[Mimka]

Yes(other than Imu)
I just don't think he has FA

My bad man, i thought you were for admiral> all.
I just don't agree with the booze take that's all

 

[Finalbeta]

Wimbull did well against Yamato, she is low diff material for a serious Winbull but still I didn't enjoy how the battle was handled by Loda.

 

[JoNdule]

Admirals: slightly above Katakuri level with better AoE and DC but no CoC, less haki and speed (bar kizaru who's fast as katakuri)

That's what I think now, Oda disrespected admirals to hype Shanks

 

[SakazOuki]

After Base Yamato's unnamed attack hit GreenBull says:- "Urgh..Man That Hurt!! " lmao. Dont run away from this Admiral fans lol.

1)Luffy made a huge jump in power after he got Acoc.

2)Admirals have not been shown to have Acoc.

3)Oda had to even hold Yamato back by making Momo tell Yamato to hold back and not even touch GB to prevent yet another Acoc user( Yamato) from busting Admiral hype lol. And yet Admiral fans want to stay in denial.
Just one unnamed attack from Base Yamato made GreenBull hold his head & exclaim "Urgh..Man That Hurt!!" lol.

4)Plus (Oda via)Shanks pretty much confirmed that the Alliance members who had created history were still recovering and Aramaki trying to encash on this opportunity is tasteless. Meaning that had GB would have fought then he would then be fighting still recovering SHs ,Kidd etc and not like he would be fighting 100% health recovered SHs. Thats why that coward thought he could take them all out and got burnt by Momo lol.

5)Admirals unless they show Acoc are not on same level as yonkos.

6)Bottomline Portrayal of this chapter(powerscaling wise) is that Shanks with his Acoc can intimidate even an Admiral to back off scare & run away just like how Luffy intimidated wild animals into submission.
Here read this again:-

1/2. Luffy's fighting ability might need a powerup like this, but natural disaster logias like admirals have no need for such powerup.

3. Headcanon, I explained in the OP how Yamato was fighting, address that first. Yamato's attack did hurt an unguarded Greenbull true, he scuffed it off next panel, no biggie. Momo's "bite" had Kaido screaming.

4. Still challenging that alliance even if they are at 50% health is more than anyone can chew. It's not like he came right after they defeated Kaido, he was generous with 7 days of rest.

5. Big Mom has ACoC, what good did that do her lol. Kaido's ACoC did nothing long term to scabbards, while Akainu melts Ace, Jinbe & Wb in seconds.

6. He still expressed willingness to fight, it's just that Shanks actually paralyzed him with an ACoC attack, evidenced by his sword. You fail to mention however that Shanks is with his crew

Look at that GB's reaction to Shank's CoC :- "Woah wait wait " lol.

GB is snotting and sweating in Top left and Bottom left panels. You cant deny that Admiral fans.


7) Needless to say this looks great for Shanks and embarrasing for GB. GB even admitted that if Kaido were here, he wouldnt have come in to attack. How much more clear can he be in admitting that Yonkos with Acoc scare the sh*t out of him.

Forget about Kaido and Shanks & their Acoc. Yamato with her Acoc is more than enough for GB.

8) See for yourself GB admitting that he wouldnt have come if Kaido were still in charge :-

As a character he's clownish
About Kaido

 

[Minatoze Narutomaki]

Wimbull did well against Yamato, she is low diff material for a serious Winbull but still I didn't enjoy how the battle was handled by Loda.

I am now 100% sure Oda doesn't even know how to handle his characters,
he was trying so hard to show Yamato was very weakened by making her do "huff huff" after just one attack
and then trying to make excuse for GreenBull restraining Yamato, he made Yamato not attack GB at all, as if not attacking = not defending herself and not using her powers/Zoan abilities
after ridiculing Yamato so much he straight went after GreenBull with his so much scared reaction
it looked as if Shanks >>> GreenBull >>>>>> Yamato, the Yamato who 1v1 soloed Kaido

all this while Luffy, Zoro, Sanji and Jinbei were just there and watching the show and Ryokugyu not even noticing them
I don't even know just which level of disappointment is Oda not going to cross

 

[SakazOuki]

Forgot to tag one of the goats @VersusPhD

 

[Gintoki]

Yamato didn’t even use her DF against Greenbowl

She’s not taking him seriously

 

[DonWick]

GB fought a weaker group. Yamato didn’t fight.

Greenbull literally said he wouldn’t have come if Kaido was there.
Yonko > Admiral

 

[SakazOuki]

GB fought a weaker group. Yamato didn’t fight.

Greenbull literally said he wouldn’t have come if Kaido was there.
Yonko > Admiral

Braindead bro comments without reading the thread.
I dare you to give me a single argument against this photo

 

[VersusPhD]

People you claim could solo the whole alliance should be able to deal with commander without making any casualty.

We weren't given any panels of the actual fight other than a face off which showed absolutely nothing. Why would you try to argue this point?

Would you come up with your own final conclusion and judgement if the crime scenes were missing some key video evidences? No, you wouldn't.

She would have killed them if it weren't for that weird PTSD,

Which is her innate ability/weakness. She wasn't cursed from someone who conjured some fucked up spell.
She always had it from the beginning and would likely suffer another episode of the PTSD if the right conditions were met.

The excuse is already bad as it is. It's like on the same level as "well the admirals are like 1/100th the size of Kaido and Big Mom. Imagine if the admirals were the same size and weight!" bad.

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Braindead bro comments without reading the thread.
I dare you to give me a single argument against this photo

Most Yonkotards don't have the mental capability to dissect and analyze panels much-less even attempt to read texts with more than 1 sentence.

 

[HonoraryStrawHatBentham]

Some thoughts:
How many leaders have we seen instill order but were too weak to enforce it when trouble makers came? Pretty mentally deficient to think you can instill order and keep predators away without power. Doflamingo, Crocodile, and Hody proves this.

How can you hype Kizaru offering to fight Big Mom and Kaidou's alliance and yet when push came to shove Greenbull pissed his pants and ran away when the chance presented itself. Especially considering had Big Mom's entire crew arrived, the alliance would most likely not have won (even without Katakuri, Brulee, and Cracker).

I could be wrong, but I can't think of a single instance of a Yonko fighting someone with their commander. Feel free to prove me wrong. If Shanks fell then the crew would fight but no way does Shanks team up with a crew member to fight anyone.

 

[Strawhats Bible]

What a funny thread lmao
GB managed to job the defeat of the Scabbards for the 8 year old Momonosuke lmao
Only actually beat Raizo, was scared to death of Baby Dragon Boro Breath (reminder Luffy TANKED three stronger versions of those with no further repercussions).
Can praise him for being able to capture all the Scabbards only to job it afterwards, reminder that no one there really understands how his powers work unlike Kaido lmao
Admitted he is scared of Kaido doesn't matter how much you twist his words, building fucking slides to try and explain something that is simply written so you can twist this pathetic appearance as a win.
And I know all you guys know that as well.

Good job for Aramaki on jobbing defeating Raizo and capturing the Scabbards that weren't only weaker (key pieces missing) but also recovering

 

[SakazOuki]

How many leaders have we seen instill order but were too weak to enforce it when trouble makers came? Pretty mentally deficient to think you can instill order and keep predators away without power. Doflamingo, Crocodile, and Hody proves this.

Ofcourse Kaido instills order through power no one argues with that, but when you understand the if someone fights another who's relative in power to him, then add in a yonko crew + 30000 smile army with advanced weaponry and seastone nails, you get a clearer picture of what I'm saying.

How can you hype Kizaru offering to fight Big Mom and Kaidou's alliance and yet when push came to shove Greenbull pissed his pants and ran away when the chance presented itself. Especially considering had Big Mom's entire crew arrived, the alliance would most likely not have won (even without Katakuri, Brulee, and Cracker).

This is irrelevant, Kizaru is his own person. Anyway the panels look ridiculous but Oda still consolidated Greenpull's position with "don't want to fight you guys, not today anyway"
No need to fight Shanks anyway, Kizaru was targeting the Big Mom and Kaido because they made an alliance.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Low Top Tier Marco

Had to sneak that wank in there didn't you?