Powers & Abilities Kaido/Greenbull performance against Scabbards & Yamato: Comprehensive Guide
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@SakazOuki @Fleet Admiral Lee Hung what about "scabbards were more bloodlusted / serious / determined when they faced Kaido".
They went against Kaido was like 20 years old revenge dream finally happening, while against Greenbull they aren't as serious and bloodlusted now.
If you look at the panel, when Momo was still crying and haven't used Borobreath yet, we can see a strangled Denjiro even smiling. Like wtf?
He is being strangled by the enemy, helpless, Momo hasn't tried to change tide yet with Borobreath, but he is already smiling?
Then the dukes aren't in Sulong too against GB, while they were in Sulong against Kaido. But we have Yamao here in exchange.
GB's better point is he defeated the scabbards and Yamao without any significant injury, while Dragon Kaido was already laying in floor while bathed in his own blood.
Bloodlusted Scabbards + Sulong dukes > Relaxed scabbards + normal dukes + Yamao.
Yamao alone can't mean as much as 2 Sulong and more bloodluster other scabbards.
Kaido faced more dangerous opponents than GB, and won it while bathed in blood.
GB faced less dangerous opponents, and won it without any significant injury.
They went against Kaido was like 20 years old revenge dream finally happening, while against Greenbull they aren't as serious and bloodlusted now.
If you look at the panel, when Momo was still crying and haven't used Borobreath yet, we can see a strangled Denjiro even smiling. Like wtf?
He is being strangled by the enemy, helpless, Momo hasn't tried to change tide yet with Borobreath, but he is already smiling?
Then the dukes aren't in Sulong too against GB, while they were in Sulong against Kaido. But we have Yamao here in exchange.
GB's better point is he defeated the scabbards and Yamao without any significant injury, while Dragon Kaido was already laying in floor while bathed in his own blood.
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Bloodlusted Scabbards + Sulong dukes > Relaxed scabbards + normal dukes + Yamao.
Yamao alone can't mean as much as 2 Sulong and more bloodluster other scabbards.
Kaido faced more dangerous opponents than GB, and won it while bathed in blood.
GB faced less dangerous opponents, and won it without any significant injury.
Good points
In terms of sheer strength of characters, Momo should easily balance out the equation. He still has Oden's body and the world's strongest zoan with the toughest scales, strong enough to make Kaido scream in pain with a bite and powerful Boro breath, even stated by Yamato to have mastered Kaido's dragon form though his aim is a bit off.
Scabbards being bloodlusted is more dangerous won't argue with that. Characters can be weaker/stronger according to plot.
Overall Greenbull's devil fruit, regen ability and revive intangiability make him a much more dreadfull opponenet for now. Kaido just appeared dangerous as he is immune to damage dealt by non top tier characters, but the moment you have an ability that can damage him he's not much of a threat. Oden sliced him open, Yamato stood toe to toe with him, even pre G5 Luffy was clashing with him equally before Cp0 decided to interfere.
In terms of sheer strength of characters, Momo should easily balance out the equation. He still has Oden's body and the world's strongest zoan with the toughest scales, strong enough to make Kaido scream in pain with a bite and powerful Boro breath, even stated by Yamato to have mastered Kaido's dragon form though his aim is a bit off.
Scabbards being bloodlusted is more dangerous won't argue with that. Characters can be weaker/stronger according to plot.
Overall Greenbull's devil fruit, regen ability and revive intangiability make him a much more dreadfull opponenet for now. Kaido just appeared dangerous as he is immune to damage dealt by non top tier characters, but the moment you have an ability that can damage him he's not much of a threat. Oden sliced him open, Yamato stood toe to toe with him, even pre G5 Luffy was clashing with him equally before Cp0 decided to interfere.
the guy took 3 Ls in one chapter (Kaido, Shanks, Momo) :yasu:Kaido's counter = advanced CoA.
Logia counter = CoA.
Any guess why the scabbards who supposed to have advanced CoA, can't damage Greenbull's real body while they were cutting the roots?
According to Vergo vs Smoker, when a logia spamming his power, they become a bigger target. But why scabbards that have advanced CoA can't hurt Greenbull?
Logia counter = CoA.
Any guess why the scabbards who supposed to have advanced CoA, can't damage Greenbull's real body while they were cutting the roots?
According to Vergo vs Smoker, when a logia spamming his power, they become a bigger target. But why scabbards that have advanced CoA can't hurt Greenbull?
I guess it would fall down to the nature of the logia itself. From Smoker's fights in PH we've never seen him create smoke out of thin air like Crocodile/Aokiji/Akainu are able to. He only split his own smoke body. I don't assume someone can damage Crocodile by attacking sables or Akainu by his dai funkai. These can spread their element not as an extenstion of their bodies. Best example is Aokiji.
Caesar is the same as Smoker, tho he has an aditional ability of manipulating gas content.
Kizaru is a weird case of his own etc
Caesar is the same as Smoker, tho he has an aditional ability of manipulating gas content.
Kizaru is a weird case of his own etc
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Do I need to debunk this? The arguments are so stupid, lol.
Gather around folks, this is the long awaited magnum opus of Kaido vs Greenbull
FAQs:
-Were the bandaged Scabbards still injured?
Not with 7 days of rest and the best doctors around. Let's not forget it's been 48 days since the timeskip, don't take 7 days of rest lightly.
-Did Kaido annihilate the scabbards?
He defeated them sure, but not even close to do significant damage. Here are the scabbards after the fight:
1. Inu defeated Jack, Neko defeated Perosopero
2. Kinemon received 2 point blank attacks from Kaido, one with ACoC and the other was a stab. An hour later he was present at Momo's delegation.
3. Denjiro was chilling and went and killed Orochi. Raizo defeated Fukoru and later helped flood the place
4. Izo fought Cp0 and managed to kill one.
5. Ashura was fine but died to bombing
-Did Yamato fight Greenbull? The answer is yes
-Did Greenbull avoid Kaido, as in scared of a 1v1? The answer is no.
Here's a more detailed review of the interactions:
Shanks used ACoC evidenced by his sword, it was directed at Greenbull as no one else was affected. Even with being clowned (still better than Big Meme), Greenbull still expressed willingness to fight Shanks and his crew later on. This chapter ridiculed Greenbull's personality no doubt, but his powerlevel stands in place. We still haven't seen him take it seriously and he still hasn't used his sword. Oda did very questionable decisions, especially reiterating how Momo is supposed to defend Wano then completely ignore that by bringing a whole yonko crew to scare off the the invader.
In my opinion Shanks > Greenbull > Kaido seems reasonable as of now
Meme of the day:
FAQs:
-Were the bandaged Scabbards still injured?
Not with 7 days of rest and the best doctors around. Let's not forget it's been 48 days since the timeskip, don't take 7 days of rest lightly.
-Did Kaido annihilate the scabbards?
He defeated them sure, but not even close to do significant damage. Here are the scabbards after the fight:
1. Inu defeated Jack, Neko defeated Perosopero
2. Kinemon received 2 point blank attacks from Kaido, one with ACoC and the other was a stab. An hour later he was present at Momo's delegation.
3. Denjiro was chilling and went and killed Orochi. Raizo defeated Fukoru and later helped flood the place
4. Izo fought Cp0 and managed to kill one.
5. Ashura was fine but died to bombing
-Did Yamato fight Greenbull? The answer is yes
-Did Greenbull avoid Kaido, as in scared of a 1v1? The answer is no.
Here's a more detailed review of the interactions:
Shanks used ACoC evidenced by his sword, it was directed at Greenbull as no one else was affected. Even with being clowned (still better than Big Meme), Greenbull still expressed willingness to fight Shanks and his crew later on. This chapter ridiculed Greenbull's personality no doubt, but his powerlevel stands in place. We still haven't seen him take it seriously and he still hasn't used his sword. Oda did very questionable decisions, especially reiterating how Momo is supposed to defend Wano then completely ignore that by bringing a whole yonko crew to scare off the the invader.
In my opinion Shanks > Greenbull > Kaido seems reasonable as of now
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The Scabbards were not injured.
Absolute BS. 7 days is not enough to fully heal, which is why they're still bandaged. What idiot wears bandages even though they're fully healthy? They were beaten by Kaido, the strongest creature, stronger than Shanks. Admiralsexuals really love to pretend every injured character an Admiral fights is at full strength, but every time an Admiral fights, they're not going all out.
Kaido did not annihilate the Scabbards:
He injured them enough to be incapacitated for a while, he did not try to kill them. Just because later on, they're able to fight also injured people or do not impressive feats does not make it so that they did not get annihilated.
Yamato obviously refused his order at first, otherwise, why would he ask her again
"Let's call Luffy who clowned on Kaido and the gang
There's a difference between calling people over to help you beat someone and calling people over just to destroy him. Yamato also took no damage.
Even entering Wano is a hard task. Besides Kaido and his crew, there's a huge army of SMILE users, etc. It's overkill for anyone.
This doesn't really debunk that he was afraid of Kaido alone in a 1v1. It just means he's afraid of Kaido and his crew. Kaido alone would one-shot him, the crew and the rest combined is not really helping GB, so it's a lose no matter what. And if Kaido<GB, then everyone combined aside from Kaido would be killed in 5 seconds by GB, so they're not a factor.
Big Mom could have easily died.
Except GB doesn't cite the difficulty in entering as the reason for why he didn't come. He specifically mentions Kaido. And we know he considers the rest to be trash, so Kaido is the main reason he doesn't come. He never mentions the Waterfall. Big Mom having a hard time entering is not comparable to GB, who can easily travel, unlike a whole fking ship that she took with her to fight Kaido.
Kizaru offered to head to Wano to bust the Yonko alliance
GB also came to kill Luffy and we know just Yamato is strong enough to beat him. The rest is overkill.
Katakuri is said to be invincible, but he lost.
Luffy said he'll become PK in East Blue, but we know he wasn't ready yet.
Don Krieg said he's the strongest man in East Blue, but we know he was shit.
And countless other overconfident statements from characters. None of them are true.
Kaido's performance vs Greenbull's
Yamato was starving
She could have easily gotten food during the raid, as they were having a fking party right before they were attacked.
Base Yamato clashing equally with Hybrid Kaido
I don't understand what kind of mental gymnastics you use to downplay any Yonko. This shows how strong she is, not how weak Kaido is. Kaido is also not going all out, as he gets stronger later. Yamato>>>>>>GB.
Kaido failed to kill Yamato for 28 years
Doesn't mean he was going all out for all that time.
Shanks used ACoC and he wasn't afraid of Shanks
Conclusion: Kaido, Big Mom, Prime WB, and Shanks can one shot Admirals. Yamato>GB.
Absolute BS. 7 days is not enough to fully heal, which is why they're still bandaged. What idiot wears bandages even though they're fully healthy? They were beaten by Kaido, the strongest creature, stronger than Shanks. Admiralsexuals really love to pretend every injured character an Admiral fights is at full strength, but every time an Admiral fights, they're not going all out.
Kaido did not annihilate the Scabbards:
He injured them enough to be incapacitated for a while, he did not try to kill them. Just because later on, they're able to fight also injured people or do not impressive feats does not make it so that they did not get annihilated.
Yamato obviously refused his order at first, otherwise, why would he ask her again
"Let's call Luffy who clowned on Kaido and the gang
There's a difference between calling people over to help you beat someone and calling people over just to destroy him. Yamato also took no damage.
Even entering Wano is a hard task. Besides Kaido and his crew, there's a huge army of SMILE users, etc. It's overkill for anyone.
This doesn't really debunk that he was afraid of Kaido alone in a 1v1. It just means he's afraid of Kaido and his crew. Kaido alone would one-shot him, the crew and the rest combined is not really helping GB, so it's a lose no matter what. And if Kaido<GB, then everyone combined aside from Kaido would be killed in 5 seconds by GB, so they're not a factor.
Big Mom could have easily died.
Except GB doesn't cite the difficulty in entering as the reason for why he didn't come. He specifically mentions Kaido. And we know he considers the rest to be trash, so Kaido is the main reason he doesn't come. He never mentions the Waterfall. Big Mom having a hard time entering is not comparable to GB, who can easily travel, unlike a whole fking ship that she took with her to fight Kaido.
Kizaru offered to head to Wano to bust the Yonko alliance
GB also came to kill Luffy and we know just Yamato is strong enough to beat him. The rest is overkill.
Katakuri is said to be invincible, but he lost.
Luffy said he'll become PK in East Blue, but we know he wasn't ready yet.
Don Krieg said he's the strongest man in East Blue, but we know he was shit.
And countless other overconfident statements from characters. None of them are true.
Kaido's performance vs Greenbull's
Yamato was starving
She could have easily gotten food during the raid, as they were having a fking party right before they were attacked.
Base Yamato clashing equally with Hybrid Kaido
I don't understand what kind of mental gymnastics you use to downplay any Yonko. This shows how strong she is, not how weak Kaido is. Kaido is also not going all out, as he gets stronger later. Yamato>>>>>>GB.
Kaido failed to kill Yamato for 28 years
Doesn't mean he was going all out for all that time.
Shanks used ACoC and he wasn't afraid of Shanks
Conclusion: Kaido, Big Mom, Prime WB, and Shanks can one shot Admirals. Yamato>GB.
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The Scabbards were not injured.
Absolute BS. 7 days is not enough to fully heal, which is why they're still bandaged. What idiot wears bandages even though they're fully healthy? They were beaten by Kaido, the strongest creature, stronger than Shanks. Admiralsexuals really love to pretend every injured character an Admiral fights is at full strength, but every time an Admiral fights, they're not going all out.
Kaido did not annihilate the Scabbards:
He injured them enough to be incapacitated for a while, he did not try to kill them. Just because later on, they're able to fight also injured people or do not impressive feats does not make it so that they did not get annihilated.
Yamato obviously refused his order at first, otherwise, why would he ask her again
"Let's call Luffy who clowned on Kaido and the gang
There's a difference between calling people over to help you beat someone and calling people over just to destroy him. Yamato also took no damage.
Even entering Wano is a hard task. Besides Kaido and his crew, there's a huge army of SMILE users, etc. It's overkill for anyone.
This doesn't really debunk that he was afraid of Kaido alone in a 1v1. It just means he's afraid of Kaido and his crew. Kaido alone would one-shot him, the crew and the rest combined is not really helping GB, so it's a lose no matter what. And if Kaido<GB, then everyone combined aside from Kaido would be killed in 5 seconds by GB, so they're not a factor.
Big Mom could have easily died.
Except GB doesn't cite the difficulty in entering as the reason for why he didn't come. He specifically mentions Kaido. And we know he considers the rest to be trash, so Kaido is the main reason he doesn't come. He never mentions the Waterfall. Big Mom having a hard time entering is not comparable to GB, who can easily travel, unlike a whole fking ship that she took with her to fight Kaido.
Kizaru offered to head to Wano to bust the Yonko alliance
GB also came to kill Luffy and we know just Yamato is strong enough to beat him. The rest is overkill.
Katakuri is said to be invincible, but he lost.
Luffy said he'll become PK in East Blue, but we know he wasn't ready yet.
Don Krieg said he's the strongest man in East Blue, but we know he was shit.
And countless other overconfident statements from characters. None of them are true.
Kaido's performance vs Greenbull's
Yamato was starving
She could have easily gotten food during the raid, as they were having a fking party right before they were attacked.
Base Yamato clashing equally with Hybrid Kaido
I don't understand what kind of mental gymnastics you use to downplay any Yonko. This shows how strong she is, not how weak Kaido is. Kaido is also not going all out, as he gets stronger later. Yamato>>>>>>GB.
Kaido failed to kill Yamato for 28 years
Doesn't mean he was going all out for all that time.
Shanks used ACoC and he wasn't afraid of Shanks
Conclusion: Kaido, Big Mom, Prime WB, and Shanks can one shot Admirals. Yamato>GB.
Absolute BS. 7 days is not enough to fully heal, which is why they're still bandaged. What idiot wears bandages even though they're fully healthy? They were beaten by Kaido, the strongest creature, stronger than Shanks. Admiralsexuals really love to pretend every injured character an Admiral fights is at full strength, but every time an Admiral fights, they're not going all out.
Kaido did not annihilate the Scabbards:
He injured them enough to be incapacitated for a while, he did not try to kill them. Just because later on, they're able to fight also injured people or do not impressive feats does not make it so that they did not get annihilated.
Yamato obviously refused his order at first, otherwise, why would he ask her again
"Let's call Luffy who clowned on Kaido and the gang
There's a difference between calling people over to help you beat someone and calling people over just to destroy him. Yamato also took no damage.
Even entering Wano is a hard task. Besides Kaido and his crew, there's a huge army of SMILE users, etc. It's overkill for anyone.
This doesn't really debunk that he was afraid of Kaido alone in a 1v1. It just means he's afraid of Kaido and his crew. Kaido alone would one-shot him, the crew and the rest combined is not really helping GB, so it's a lose no matter what. And if Kaido<GB, then everyone combined aside from Kaido would be killed in 5 seconds by GB, so they're not a factor.
Big Mom could have easily died.
Except GB doesn't cite the difficulty in entering as the reason for why he didn't come. He specifically mentions Kaido. And we know he considers the rest to be trash, so Kaido is the main reason he doesn't come. He never mentions the Waterfall. Big Mom having a hard time entering is not comparable to GB, who can easily travel, unlike a whole fking ship that she took with her to fight Kaido.
Kizaru offered to head to Wano to bust the Yonko alliance
GB also came to kill Luffy and we know just Yamato is strong enough to beat him. The rest is overkill.
Katakuri is said to be invincible, but he lost.
Luffy said he'll become PK in East Blue, but we know he wasn't ready yet.
Don Krieg said he's the strongest man in East Blue, but we know he was shit.
And countless other overconfident statements from characters. None of them are true.
Kaido's performance vs Greenbull's
Yamato was starving
She could have easily gotten food during the raid, as they were having a fking party right before they were attacked.
Base Yamato clashing equally with Hybrid Kaido
I don't understand what kind of mental gymnastics you use to downplay any Yonko. This shows how strong she is, not how weak Kaido is. Kaido is also not going all out, as he gets stronger later. Yamato>>>>>>GB.
Kaido failed to kill Yamato for 28 years
Doesn't mean he was going all out for all that time.
Shanks used ACoC and he wasn't afraid of Shanks
Conclusion: Kaido, Big Mom, Prime WB, and Shanks can one shot Admirals. Yamato>GB.
