Character Discussion Kaido should have been treated like WB. Why does Oda only hype up good guys, and not the villains?
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Oda treats good guys better than bad guys. It's pretty obvious in one piece. And more so oda gives respect to old gen.
Old garp bullied Kuzan who had BBPs back up.
A dying WB defeated akainu.
Healthy oldbeard equally clashed with prime shanks etc.
Kaido is plenty hyped. Oda in SBS mentioned how Kaido is considered current WSM by most in one piece world. Most assume him to be the strongest.
Ace novel which is canon suggest Kaido as strongest yonko.
Old garp bullied Kuzan who had BBPs back up.
A dying WB defeated akainu.
Healthy oldbeard equally clashed with prime shanks etc.
Kaido is plenty hyped. Oda in SBS mentioned how Kaido is considered current WSM by most in one piece world. Most assume him to be the strongest.
Ace novel which is canon suggest Kaido as strongest yonko.
What Kaido deserved was a group battle where multiple characters defeated him.
Oda made with Whitebeard clear that he was hell nerfed and always fought multiple characters. And his death was also against multiple characters. Even in his death moments, he was able to defeat Blackbeard.
Oda made it clear no one in MF except Akainu would fight off someone like Primebeard.
Kaido is not the case. He was in his prime.
He did gone all out and sadly the rumor 1on1 thing was broken by Luffy.
Kaido low diffed the Scabbards in Base form.
He fought the supernova with Big Mom's help.
Only Yamato was a little match but in the end she was not a threat either.
Luffy surpassed Kaido during the battle.
Broke his record like he did with Katakuri.
Kaido as strongest creature should never lose like that. It should be at least like Luffy,Kid and Law finishing Kaido together.
Oda made with Whitebeard clear that he was hell nerfed and always fought multiple characters. And his death was also against multiple characters. Even in his death moments, he was able to defeat Blackbeard.
Oda made it clear no one in MF except Akainu would fight off someone like Primebeard.
Kaido is not the case. He was in his prime.
He did gone all out and sadly the rumor 1on1 thing was broken by Luffy.
Kaido low diffed the Scabbards in Base form.
He fought the supernova with Big Mom's help.
Only Yamato was a little match but in the end she was not a threat either.
Luffy surpassed Kaido during the battle.
Broke his record like he did with Katakuri.
Kaido as strongest creature should never lose like that. It should be at least like Luffy,Kid and Law finishing Kaido together.
Calm down with the speciesm
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Title has Bad Taste bc there Are two others with similar ones and something bigger:Pirate king
World Government perspective:
Whitebeard is a human. As much as we hate him, we can't downplay his influence with just speciesism
Big Mom is a woman. Kaido is an Oni. Now granted, not a filthy dirty fishman, but still not human. Now why would the WG give respect and fear over the fat obese WOMAN and a filthy near extinct species of Oni? Greenbull and the Celestial Dragons do not approve.
Hello, so I just wanted to compare two different characters portrayals today and a broader issue with OP. So first we can start with their introductions/titles. So Whitebeards is simple
The Narrator keeps it pretty simple here. He is the strongest man in the world. There´s not much to debate(though some autistic fans do try starting a debate about it, for whatever reason).
Now with Kaidos intro/Title
Okay so, while this one is cool, I do have some issues with it. While with Whitebeard it´s kept simple, this time, Kaidos title is a bit more complicated. The Narrator says,¨this pirate is said to be the strongest alive¨. You can interpret this however you want, but I have to wonder, why even leave it up to interpretation? Why do the ¨said to be¨ thing? Why say creature instead of saying man? With WB dead, why cant Kaido simply be called the new strongest man in the world?
Anyway, my second issue can be shown in this very panel, Whitebeards dick is constantly sucked by every single character in the manga. Kaido sucks Whitebeards dick in his own intro, hyping up a dead man. We can see this from other characters too, like Garp for example
Garp makes it simple, he calls him the king of the seas.
Sengoku drops to his knees and opens his mouth to give him a blowjob, shocking everyone and says that WB can destroy the world. Doflamingo also goes as far as to say that Whitebeard was sitting in front of Rogers throne and could have claimed it if he wanted, something other characters have implied before.
We also have random civilians freaking out about Whitebeard. Oda wanted to hype up WB so much, he had a random Muslim lady(or catholic, I guess) pray that he doesn´t destroy the entire world while her kids call him the devil.
The only characters in the manga who ever say anything to disrespect WB are, Akainu and Blackbeard. Now, both of these characters famously get beat up by him. Either way, these characters critiques of him are somewhat complicated. Akainu implies that WB is a loser because he could never attain the pirate king title, and just decided to harbor pirates instead, mocking the idea that this could be a family. This ties in pretty deeply with Akainus dislike of pirates and isn´t really that personal. Blackbeard on the other hand, just implies that he could have saved Ace in the past but he declined. This is just showing Blackbeard used to suck his captains dick as much as everyone else, but lost interest. Now Kaido on the other hand, gets called, the strongest by his own crew and personal dick suckers like King or old friends like Big mom,but lacks the hype from his enemies like the Navy. We can see the navy´s opinion on Kaido pretty clearly in this one reaction from Garp to Big mom and Kaido made an alliance.
Garp sees it as just one more annoyance. He doesn´t say anything about how Kaido ruled the seas or could destroy the world. He´s just one of many problems. Also, we can´t ignore the infamous scene of Kizaru saying he will go to Wano.
You can think whatever you want about this scene, wrong or not, no one in the manga ever corrects Kizaru for saying this. Akainu just points out the Samurai are an unknown force and they can be a problem. Some fans may say Greenbull not wanting to go to Wano while Kaido ruled could be an example of the marines respecting Kaido, but this just isn´t the same. Not wanting to personally go and attack your enemies main territory is just a risk he didn´t want to take. When the marines discuss Kaido, they have a sober, rational analysis. When they discuss Whitebeard, they soyface and start talking about how he can destroy the world. There´s no random civilians freaking out about the king of the beasts destroying the world either.
There also seems to be a difference in influence. When WB dies, Oda beats it into our heads, that WB kept multiple islands safe from the great age of pirates.
We get to visit one of these islands, Fmi, where its mentioned that WB protected the island and was the only human they ever liked. The rest of his territories were taken by Blackbeard after fighting a war with the remaining WBP. Now with Kaidos, territories, well
Yeah, its shown that he had one more then Wano in a cover story. But, nothing has been shown with the beast pirates trying to keep a control of any of their other territories nor fighting any wars over it. This could be shown later on, but we see in the Yamato cover story, they are trying to currently kill eachother over a small base in Wano..... While WB feels like a pirate emperor, with countless territories and is always shown to be on the sea, Kaido feels more like a pirate dictator, who took over one country and camped there. Frankly, for a character who could have been the pirate version of Genghis Khan, I expected Kaido to have many more territories, but based on manga canon, it does seem like he was the retired pirate version of Kim Jong Un. No one ever implies it´s Kaidos era, or that he could become pirate king or anything like that aside from his own crew.
Another thing I wanted to point out is that while WB and Kaido both lose and eat shit, WB gets a million excuses in the story. Omg he was sick and had cancer, omg, he was 1000 years old, omg he got stabbed by his own ally. Meanwhile, with Kaido, people try arguing that he actually lost because he had to fight plenty of guys before Luffy, and while this isn´t entirely wrong, those injuries from previous characters aren´t shown to be that significant, and Oda actually portrays it as Luffy being the man who beat him, and therefore got his Yonko title.
Now let´s just be honest. Can you ever imagine Oda writing a panel describing Blackbeard as the man who took down WB? It just wouldn´t happen, no one could even imagine that happening.
Next, I wanted to discuss their relationship with Roger. WB and Roger are stated to be equals and good friends. Everyone loves the iconic scene of WB and Roger drinking together.
Roger and Kaido aren´t shown to have a real connection at all. Instead of anything implying Roger ever respected Kaido or hung out with him. Kaido even sucks his dick for no real reason, randomly mentioning how he conquered the world with his large cock.
Now lets think about the larger context. Roger in his prime basically had zero rivals who were bad guys. He had Whitebeard, the most wholesome chungus pirate in the world, and Garp, luffys morally pure grandpa and genocide defender.(I do realize Shiki exists, but he honestly isn´t really shown in the manga much, and no one really hypes up his rivalry with Roger like they do WB and Garp). Can
you imagine, if in another manga, like Naruto for example, it is shown that the first Hokages real rival wasn´t madara, but instead two chill guys from the Cloud and Sand village, and Madara is just another guy the First Hokage low diffed, while Madara was actually rivals with a random fodder ninja Sasuke beat, or a pre time skip villain?
And this goes much beyond these two characters. When Kaido thinks of the 5 strongest people hes ever known, he thinks of 4 explicit good guys,and one potentially evil guy
The main complaint people have with this ranking is that Garp(good guy),Mihawk(generally good guy coded given that he trained a SH, but this could change, I guess) and Rayleigh(good guy) weren´t featured, lol.
We can also think of Luffys two ¨rivals¨. Trafalgar Water D Law, Luffys fascist best friend
and Eustass Captain Kidd, the man who committed the crime of being a pirate in a manga about pirates. While both of these characters end up losing to a yonko after Wano, Law(Good guy) is able to have an okay match with Blackbeard(bad guy). It lasts a couple chapters, and his crewmate helps get him out of the battle. While Law does lose, he keeps his dignity. Now compare that fight too Kidd(bad guy)vs Shanks(good guy) where Shanks negs Kidd and his right hand man in 0.5 seconds by sneezing at him or something. I really do have to wonder if Oda just likes drawing bad guys eating shit and genuinely gets mad about the crimes his own characters have done. No matter what the reason is, I think it´s kind of an issue with the manga.
The Narrator keeps it pretty simple here. He is the strongest man in the world. There´s not much to debate(though some autistic fans do try starting a debate about it, for whatever reason).
Now with Kaidos intro/Title
Okay so, while this one is cool, I do have some issues with it. While with Whitebeard it´s kept simple, this time, Kaidos title is a bit more complicated. The Narrator says,¨this pirate is said to be the strongest alive¨. You can interpret this however you want, but I have to wonder, why even leave it up to interpretation? Why do the ¨said to be¨ thing? Why say creature instead of saying man? With WB dead, why cant Kaido simply be called the new strongest man in the world?
Anyway, my second issue can be shown in this very panel, Whitebeards dick is constantly sucked by every single character in the manga. Kaido sucks Whitebeards dick in his own intro, hyping up a dead man. We can see this from other characters too, like Garp for example
Garp makes it simple, he calls him the king of the seas.
Sengoku drops to his knees and opens his mouth to give him a blowjob, shocking everyone and says that WB can destroy the world. Doflamingo also goes as far as to say that Whitebeard was sitting in front of Rogers throne and could have claimed it if he wanted, something other characters have implied before.
We also have random civilians freaking out about Whitebeard. Oda wanted to hype up WB so much, he had a random Muslim lady(or catholic, I guess) pray that he doesn´t destroy the entire world while her kids call him the devil.
The only characters in the manga who ever say anything to disrespect WB are, Akainu and Blackbeard. Now, both of these characters famously get beat up by him. Either way, these characters critiques of him are somewhat complicated. Akainu implies that WB is a loser because he could never attain the pirate king title, and just decided to harbor pirates instead, mocking the idea that this could be a family. This ties in pretty deeply with Akainus dislike of pirates and isn´t really that personal. Blackbeard on the other hand, just implies that he could have saved Ace in the past but he declined. This is just showing Blackbeard used to suck his captains dick as much as everyone else, but lost interest. Now Kaido on the other hand, gets called, the strongest by his own crew and personal dick suckers like King or old friends like Big mom,but lacks the hype from his enemies like the Navy. We can see the navy´s opinion on Kaido pretty clearly in this one reaction from Garp to Big mom and Kaido made an alliance.
Garp sees it as just one more annoyance. He doesn´t say anything about how Kaido ruled the seas or could destroy the world. He´s just one of many problems. Also, we can´t ignore the infamous scene of Kizaru saying he will go to Wano.
You can think whatever you want about this scene, wrong or not, no one in the manga ever corrects Kizaru for saying this. Akainu just points out the Samurai are an unknown force and they can be a problem. Some fans may say Greenbull not wanting to go to Wano while Kaido ruled could be an example of the marines respecting Kaido, but this just isn´t the same. Not wanting to personally go and attack your enemies main territory is just a risk he didn´t want to take. When the marines discuss Kaido, they have a sober, rational analysis. When they discuss Whitebeard, they soyface and start talking about how he can destroy the world. There´s no random civilians freaking out about the king of the beasts destroying the world either.
There also seems to be a difference in influence. When WB dies, Oda beats it into our heads, that WB kept multiple islands safe from the great age of pirates.
We get to visit one of these islands, Fmi, where its mentioned that WB protected the island and was the only human they ever liked. The rest of his territories were taken by Blackbeard after fighting a war with the remaining WBP. Now with Kaidos, territories, well
Yeah, its shown that he had one more then Wano in a cover story. But, nothing has been shown with the beast pirates trying to keep a control of any of their other territories nor fighting any wars over it. This could be shown later on, but we see in the Yamato cover story, they are trying to currently kill eachother over a small base in Wano..... While WB feels like a pirate emperor, with countless territories and is always shown to be on the sea, Kaido feels more like a pirate dictator, who took over one country and camped there. Frankly, for a character who could have been the pirate version of Genghis Khan, I expected Kaido to have many more territories, but based on manga canon, it does seem like he was the retired pirate version of Kim Jong Un. No one ever implies it´s Kaidos era, or that he could become pirate king or anything like that aside from his own crew.
Another thing I wanted to point out is that while WB and Kaido both lose and eat shit, WB gets a million excuses in the story. Omg he was sick and had cancer, omg, he was 1000 years old, omg he got stabbed by his own ally. Meanwhile, with Kaido, people try arguing that he actually lost because he had to fight plenty of guys before Luffy, and while this isn´t entirely wrong, those injuries from previous characters aren´t shown to be that significant, and Oda actually portrays it as Luffy being the man who beat him, and therefore got his Yonko title.
Now let´s just be honest. Can you ever imagine Oda writing a panel describing Blackbeard as the man who took down WB? It just wouldn´t happen, no one could even imagine that happening.
Next, I wanted to discuss their relationship with Roger. WB and Roger are stated to be equals and good friends. Everyone loves the iconic scene of WB and Roger drinking together.
Roger and Kaido aren´t shown to have a real connection at all. Instead of anything implying Roger ever respected Kaido or hung out with him. Kaido even sucks his dick for no real reason, randomly mentioning how he conquered the world with his large cock.
Now lets think about the larger context. Roger in his prime basically had zero rivals who were bad guys. He had Whitebeard, the most wholesome chungus pirate in the world, and Garp, luffys morally pure grandpa and genocide defender.(I do realize Shiki exists, but he honestly isn´t really shown in the manga much, and no one really hypes up his rivalry with Roger like they do WB and Garp). Can
you imagine, if in another manga, like Naruto for example, it is shown that the first Hokages real rival wasn´t madara, but instead two chill guys from the Cloud and Sand village, and Madara is just another guy the First Hokage low diffed, while Madara was actually rivals with a random fodder ninja Sasuke beat, or a pre time skip villain?And this goes much beyond these two characters. When Kaido thinks of the 5 strongest people hes ever known, he thinks of 4 explicit good guys,and one potentially evil guy
The main complaint people have with this ranking is that Garp(good guy),Mihawk(generally good guy coded given that he trained a SH, but this could change, I guess) and Rayleigh(good guy) weren´t featured, lol.
We can also think of Luffys two ¨rivals¨. Trafalgar Water D Law, Luffys fascist best friend
and Eustass Captain Kidd, the man who committed the crime of being a pirate in a manga about pirates. While both of these characters end up losing to a yonko after Wano, Law(Good guy) is able to have an okay match with Blackbeard(bad guy). It lasts a couple chapters, and his crewmate helps get him out of the battle. While Law does lose, he keeps his dignity. Now compare that fight too Kidd(bad guy)vs Shanks(good guy) where Shanks negs Kidd and his right hand man in 0.5 seconds by sneezing at him or something. I really do have to wonder if Oda just likes drawing bad guys eating shit and genuinely gets mad about the crimes his own characters have done. No matter what the reason is, I think it´s kind of an issue with the manga.
Oden" if i cant take down kaido then no one can"
Prime gabum was scared of kaido
Gb admited he s kaido s bitch
Wb didnt wanted the smoke either
Killer "we are aganst the strongest pirate"
Bm" you cant take down that thing"
Bb "that monster kaido"
Why do you think admirals fans are so pressed about kaido? Bcs midzaru couldnt even do 0.1% to what kaido did to g5