Character Discussion "Kaido, the strongest pirate" - how valid are characters statements?

[Valtiel]

also zoro mocked kaido he said ''the so called strongest '' kaido def a fraud

zoro don't mocked kaido... he just refer to his title like "who is said to be" or "who is known as"

 

[Jiihad]

Yeah a marine will go alone in an emperor territory, this is totally what he meant

I mean we taking character statements at face value with no critical thought right? So hea we are

Kaidou=WSC
Kizaru was confident to fight 2 Yonko at tha same time

 

[Blackbeard]

Of course they are.

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I'm fine with that

 

[Finalbeta]

At the end of the day we have no proof that a character's statement is Oda's will so it's safer to rely on their knowledge.

Both Killer's and Zoro's words can be eventually dismissed for lack of solid knowledge. But the thing is that WSC and WSS and WSM titles remain, since they were introduced by either the author or characters (Buggy) that had a clear knowledge of what they were talking about.

 

[King7]

And Oda used the word 'Saikyō Seibutsu (最強 生物): which translated as The Strongest Biological Being / The Strongest Creature Among All Beings. Seibutsu includes all living things in the world, including humans. The reason why free manga sites misspell Kaido's title is because the English word "Creature" has plural meanings, but in the original scan there is no ambiguity because the word 'Seibutsu' is the one being used, which is why Kaido was not given the title "Strongest Man" or anything like that, because he is simply not human.

Kaido's title isn't ambiguous at all in the japanese version, his title 100% include humans.

You can do a quick research on what Seibutsu mean:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/せいぶつ#Japanese
living thing, life, organism, creature .

https://www.kanjijapanese.com/en/dictionary-japanese-english/seibutsu
seibutsu creature 2. seibutsu living things.

The ambiguity only come from people reading the English chapter and assuming the word "creature" is to be understood in the animal sense.

In japanese it clearly mean Kaido is the strongest living organism/thing and quite obviously humans are living things.

Kaido's title 100% put him above any human alive in the series, the only way Kaido isn't the strongest character is if his title is fake in the first place or if someone surpass him in the future.

It doesn't really depend on your race or whatever it is, it depends on your strength.
Forcing that kaido is not the strongest is just your HEADCANON crying.

don't care . and he has no title , it's a rumour

 

[GreenEggsAHam]

It depends on the character and how credible they are. Pica for instance saying he could solo Fujitora,Luffy, Law etc is obviously not reliable. You judge character statements along with other evidence.

Kaido is continually described as strongest. From the SBS, to the Ace novel, to even the narrated introduction. Where there is smoke there is fire. If everyone is saying it and no other character gets the same hype, then clearly Oda is trying to say something. He isn't out to deceive anyone as far as we know.

this didnt age well

 

[Shiroyru]

this didnt age well

Wtf are you talking about

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

dont spoil shit here before the chap is out

 

[GreenEggsAHam]

about

kaido isnt even the strongest yonkou , def getting clapped by fujitora

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dont spoil shit here before the chap is out

did I?

 

[Tejas]

kaido isnt even the strongest yonkou , def getting clapped by fujitora

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did I?

Copium overdose

 

[GreenEggsAHam]

hello I use the same wiki as you, swordsmanship-

1. the skill of using a sword

lol mihawk<fujitora after this

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

kaido isnt even the strongest yonkou , def getting clapped by fujitora

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did I?

careful reminder
you seemed to quote sera off new information

 

[Shiroyru]

kaido isnt even the strongest yonkou , def getting clapped by fujitora

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did I?

LMFAOOOO

Fujitora can’t even beat Sabo less than mid diff, but he’s gonna beat a guy who can neg diff the Scabbards?

 

[GreenEggsAHam]

LMFAOOOO

Fujitora can’t even beat Sabo less than mid diff, but he’s gonna beat a guy who can neg diff the Scabbards?

the revs on average is stronger than the regular YC LOL DOFFY alr approved this

 

[Shiroyru]

the revs on average is stronger than the regular YC LOL DOFFY alr approved this

So Sabo can beat 2 YC1/2 level fighters, 3 YC3 level fighters, and 4 mid tiers at the same time? Wtf?

And scrubs like Morley, Karasu, and Lindbergh are STRONGER than YCs? WTF? These guys don’t even have equal portrayal to Ivankov, and you think they’re stronger than Katakuri/King, Smoothie/Queen, and Cracker/Jack? Do you not realize how bizarre this sounds?

 

[GreenEggsAHam]

So Sabo can beat 2 YC1/2 level fighters, 3 YC3 level fighters, and 4 mid tiers at the same time? Wtf?

And scrubs like Morley, Karasu, and Lindbergh are STRONGER than YCs? WTF? These guys don’t even have equal portrayal to Ivankov, and you think they’re stronger than Katakuri/King, Smoothie/Queen, and Cracker/Jack? Do you not realize how bizarre this sounds?

one punch from garp,left him with several bandages,

2 v 4 had to hold back at mary jois and yet only several bandages LOL

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So Sabo can beat 2 YC1/2 level fighters, 3 YC3 level fighters, and 4 mid tiers at the same time? Wtf?

And scrubs like Morley, Karasu, and Lindbergh are STRONGER than YCs? WTF? These guys don’t even have equal portrayal to Ivankov, and you think they’re stronger than Katakuri/King, Smoothie/Queen, and Cracker/Jack? Do you not realize how bizarre this sounds?

heres doffy saying it in the official translation , any problem with oda is there sir?

 

[Shiroyru]

one punch from garp,left him with several bandages,

2 v 4 had to hold back at mary jois and yet only several bandages LOL

I’m not even sure what the first image has to do with this discussion, but whatever.

Sabo and the Revs were holding back too since they wouldn’t want to kill innocent people in the crossfire. Btw that was Fuji a week after the fight. He was probably even more injured than that

 

[GreenEggsAHam]

Sabo and the Revs were holding back too since they wouldn’t want to kill innocent people in the crossfire. Btw that was Fuji a week after the fight. He was probably even more injured than that

nice headcannon, mary jeois is where the WG is located at and they knew , dragon knew what he was doing, they were going all out its as simple as that