Powers & Abilities King of Hell is a bigger deal than Joyboy Awakening
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Zoro is the only one who managed to do something to Kaido and he speaks once Zoro rips his chest open. 
Sun God is a Deva. Such can never be a daddy to an Asura.
Sun God is a Deva. Such can never be a daddy to an Asura.
King of hell is Yama my dude. Aren't we talking about King of hell here? Surya deva who is also known are Sungod is the father of Yama.
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But it is true that, Zoro pre-enma would have fared similar to luffy, as Both of them would not have any means to harm kaido.
Kaido did not huff, puffed immediately after the dead mans game. he even acknowleged the accumulative effect of the Supernovas and that they were an annoyance
Dead mans game was coated with adCOC as confirmed by zoro stans.
Ah ha ha ha ha. Nice catch. Oda does takes hindu mythological reference. Sun God (aka Surya dev) is the father of King of hell (aka Yama) sounds perfect.
But it is true that, Zoro pre-enma would have fared similar to luffy, as Both of them would not have any means to harm kaido.
Kaido did not huff, puffed immediately after the dead mans game. he even acknowleged the accumulative effect of the Supernovas and that they were an annoyance
Dead mans game was coated with adCOC as confirmed by zoro stans.
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Ah ha ha ha ha. Nice catch. Oda does takes hindu mythological reference. Sun God (aka Surya dev) is the father of King of hell (aka Yama) sounds perfect.
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Kaido must be talking about Killer who hit him once or Kidd who attacked him twice or Rupee who is lying KOed...
Instead of the guy who just ripped his chest open, huh? Rupees in denial is always a funny thing to watch.
But remember, the power to rule the world is the biggest narrative wank on the rooftop and it's all Zoro's.
King of Hell is just another one in a long line of boosts for Asura, the supreme combat ability of One Piece world.
It simply happens to be that King of Hell is a haki state that nobody else has, just like nobody else has Asura.
Instead of the guy who just ripped his chest open, huh? Rupees in denial is always a funny thing to watch.
But remember, the power to rule the world is the biggest narrative wank on the rooftop and it's all Zoro's.
King of Hell is just another one in a long line of boosts for Asura, the supreme combat ability of One Piece world.
It simply happens to be that King of Hell is a haki state that nobody else has, just like nobody else has Asura.
Sun God without aCoC:
Demon God without aCoC:
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I can't wait to see the premium powerscaling from Luffybros if Oda somehow has the balls to make Zoro clash with Kizaru in the next chapters.
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But it is true that, Zoro pre-enma would have fared similar to luffy, as Both of them would not have any means to harm kaido.
Kaido did not huff, puffed immediately after the dead mans game. he even acknowleged the accumulative effect of the Supernovas and that they were an annoyance
Dead mans game was coated with adCOC as confirmed by zoro stans.
Ah ha ha ha ha. Nice catch. Oda does takes hindu mythological reference. Sun God (aka Surya dev) is the father of King of hell (aka Yama) sounds perfect.
But it is true that, Zoro pre-enma would have fared similar to luffy, as Both of them would not have any means to harm kaido.
Kaido did not huff, puffed immediately after the dead mans game. he even acknowleged the accumulative effect of the Supernovas and that they were an annoyance
Dead mans game was coated with adCOC as confirmed by zoro stans.
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Ah ha ha ha ha. Nice catch. Oda does takes hindu mythological reference. Sun God (aka Surya dev) is the father of King of hell (aka Yama) sounds perfect.
Zoro completely cut through and beheaded a dragon during Punk Hazard. Zoro's 3 billion world attack power impressed 2 Scabbards during Dressrosa. The first time he used enma it forced him to release and extremely large amount of haki that causes his arm to shrink. He easily retrieved a large amount of an his haki back from enma that returned his arm to normal. That proves Zoro had the skills to manipulate large amounts of haki before his enma training. Large amounts of haki is the key to controlling enma.
Zoro already had the ability to flow haki before Wano. Luffy's the one who had to learn a new power (flowing haki and internal destruction haki) to hurt Kaido.
None of the Scabbards could use enma yet they all obtained the power to cut and hurt Kaido. Oden's father said Zoro is not an normal swordsman because of how well he handled enma the first time you used it. If the Scabbards can't even attempt to use enma and they are some of the strongest swordsman/samurai in Wano that says a lot about Zoro's strength.
I'm glad you provided those scenes because it proves Zoro's attack left Kaido's body visibly shaking. That was the first time we saw that during the war.
Yes, he wasn't huffy when he was just standing still after the attack. He start immediately after he started moving. That was the first time we saw that and it shows the attack did have an effect on him.
Kaido said the Scabbards attack was too shallow and didn't even have no power to open up his old wound.
That is very different than what he said about Zoro's attack.
They are wrong about Zoro coating his asura attack in CoC. If Zoro did than Kaido would a commented on his skills to coat his attaks with CoC. Instead of just saying CoC.
When he tried cutting Kaido and failed, he specifically mentioned that he has to unleash Enma's powers.
After that he only cut Kaido when Enma is specifically shown glowing in a separate panel and everyone mentioning Enma as a special sword.
Without Enma, Zoro would be more useless than Kid on the roof.
....and???
base no haki punches on fodder impressed Kinemon
I guess base hakiless punches = 3 billion worlds?
Also I have no idea how that was supposed to prove that Zoro was able to cut Kaido lmao
...and???
lol what? Where are you getting this?
10 yr old Oden was controlling Enma no problem.
After that he only cut Kaido when Enma is specifically shown glowing in a separate panel and everyone mentioning Enma as a special sword.
Without Enma, Zoro would be more useless than Kid on the roof.
....and???
base no haki punches on fodder impressed Kinemon
I guess base hakiless punches = 3 billion worlds?
Also I have no idea how that was supposed to prove that Zoro was able to cut Kaido lmao
...and???
lol what? Where are you getting this?
10 yr old Oden was controlling Enma no problem.
When he tried cutting Kaido and failed, he specifically mentioned that he has to unleash Enma's powers.
After that he only cut Kaido when Enma is specifically shown glowing in a separate panel and everyone mentioning Enma as a special sword.
Without Enma, Zoro would be more useless than Kid on the roof.
....and???
base no haki punches on fodder impressed Kinemon
I guess base hakiless punches = 3 billion worlds?
Also I have no idea how that was supposed to prove that Zoro was able to cut Kaido lmao
...and???
lol what? Where are you getting this?
10 yr old Oden was controlling Enma no problem.
After that he only cut Kaido when Enma is specifically shown glowing in a separate panel and everyone mentioning Enma as a special sword.
Without Enma, Zoro would be more useless than Kid on the roof.
....and???
base no haki punches on fodder impressed Kinemon
I guess base hakiless punches = 3 billion worlds?
Also I have no idea how that was supposed to prove that Zoro was able to cut Kaido lmao
...and???
lol what? Where are you getting this?
10 yr old Oden was controlling Enma no problem.
Enma does nothing but take zoros haki.
The reason Zoro didn't cut Kaido at first was because he wasn't using haki. The reason he mentioned "unleashing enma" was because he realized he was holding himself back too much while holding his haki back to control enma and he needs to release his haki to cut Kaido.
Enma is not the reason Zoro cut Kaido. When Zoro used a 3 sword style attack he cut Kaido with all 3 swords. If not, he would have stated his attack didn't work the way it's design.
Enma doesn't increase, give, boost, or add to Zoro's haki. All the sword does is release more of the users haki if they can't control it.
It proves Zoro had powerful cutting power before Wano and enough to cut Kaido. That attack had enough force to lift up a mountain size golem. That was the highlight of the attack. Not cutting through stone. A non-name blackened haki attack cut through a larger part of the golem.
Did you just compare a normal punch from Luffy to Zoro 3 billion world?
Luffy couldn't even damage the artificial dragon during Punk hazard. Zoro cut its head off.
You took the scene out of content by only posting part of the scene. He wasn't reacting to Luffy. He was reacting to all the straw hats already attacking the guards.
I showed how a person who witnessed Oden cut and scar Kaido reacted to another swordsman's power. Which says a lot about Zoro's power. You're denying Zoro's power.
I showed the skills Zoro possessed before he he trained with enma and how Oden's father views Zoro as an extraordinary swordsman. Compared to the Scabbards how are all normal swordsman.
All of that is important because it shows how foolish it is for anybody to believe Zoro needs enma to cut Kaido while weaker normal swordsman who can't even attempt to control enma was able to cut Kaido without enma.
We don't know when Oden mastered enma. We do know you don't have to master or have full control of enma to use it. Zoro easily used and controlled enma without haki early in the war.
Large haki is the key to fully control or mastering enma. Not just controlling enma.
Enma is not the reason Zoro cut Kaido. When Zoro used a 3 sword style attack he cut Kaido with all 3 swords. If not, he would have stated his attack didn't work the way it's design.
Enma doesn't increase, give, boost, or add to Zoro's haki. All the sword does is release more of the users haki if they can't control it.
It proves Zoro had powerful cutting power before Wano and enough to cut Kaido. That attack had enough force to lift up a mountain size golem. That was the highlight of the attack. Not cutting through stone. A non-name blackened haki attack cut through a larger part of the golem.
base no haki punches on fodder impressed Kinemon
I guess base hakiless punches = 3 billion worlds?
Also I have no idea how that was supposed to prove that Zoro was able to cut Kaido lmao
I guess base hakiless punches = 3 billion worlds?
Also I have no idea how that was supposed to prove that Zoro was able to cut Kaido lmao
Luffy couldn't even damage the artificial dragon during Punk hazard. Zoro cut its head off.
You took the scene out of content by only posting part of the scene. He wasn't reacting to Luffy. He was reacting to all the straw hats already attacking the guards.
I showed how a person who witnessed Oden cut and scar Kaido reacted to another swordsman's power. Which says a lot about Zoro's power. You're denying Zoro's power.
I showed the skills Zoro possessed before he he trained with enma and how Oden's father views Zoro as an extraordinary swordsman. Compared to the Scabbards how are all normal swordsman.
All of that is important because it shows how foolish it is for anybody to believe Zoro needs enma to cut Kaido while weaker normal swordsman who can't even attempt to control enma was able to cut Kaido without enma.
lol what? Where are you getting this?
10 yr old Oden was controlling Enma no problem.
10 yr old Oden was controlling Enma no problem.
Large haki is the key to fully control or mastering enma. Not just controlling enma.
Words of praise for the top performer...
With him he can rule the world. With weaklings he cant.
Kaido thinks with Zoro's power he can rule the world. Try to beat that.
With him he can rule the world. With weaklings he cant.
Kaido thinks with Zoro's power he can rule the world. Try to beat that.
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There's no agenda. It's called reading and comprehending the manga. You're the one with the agenda by denying facts.
Luffy's scene had nothing to do with his attack power. The focus was on Luffy's potential since Kaido had an opportunity to see Luffy's growth by fighting him previously.
Kaido was surprised Luffy was able to obtain the power to damage him in a short amount of time. The last time they fought Luffy couldn't damage him at all. It's only been about 2 weeks since they last fought.
If you can't damage Kaido than you aren't capable of fighting him.
It's funny You honest want to go on and on about how to travel when all out use the strongest attack. Yet, completely silent over the fact Zoro was badly injured, nerfed, weakened. When fought and bested Kaido in 1v1. It's not hard to understand how much someone's strength, power, and speed would be affected if they had several broken bones.
How can you say Dead Man's Game didn't have any effect on Kaido when he was huff the first time Kaido attack afterwards.
Stop denying facts.
Same things as I said above.
Luffy acknowledgment wasn't because Luffy's attack power or damaging Kaido. All of the Scabbards did the same. The acknowledgment was because Luffy, in roughly 2 weeks, obtained the power to damage him. He was impressed by his quick growth. He couldn't do the same for Zoro because he's never faced him before.
Zoro doesn't need ACoC to cut Kaido. His dragon twisted was much more impressive than Luffy's red Rock.
That one attack countered Kaido's twister, cut through his scales, cause internal damage and rescued Luffy.
Zoro asura attack didn't contain ACoC. Yet, still had the power to scar Kaido. A feat only achieved by one other person in the entire manga. Oden needed ACoC to scar Kaido. While Luffy's King Kong internal destruction ACoC/ACoA attack couldn't even chip one of Kaido's scales.
Luffy's attack didn't even slow Kaido down. He brush it off like it with nothing.
Luffy's scene had nothing to do with his attack power. The focus was on Luffy's potential since Kaido had an opportunity to see Luffy's growth by fighting him previously.
Kaido was surprised Luffy was able to obtain the power to damage him in a short amount of time. The last time they fought Luffy couldn't damage him at all. It's only been about 2 weeks since they last fought.
If you can't damage Kaido than you aren't capable of fighting him.
It's funny You honest want to go on and on about how to travel when all out use the strongest attack. Yet, completely silent over the fact Zoro was badly injured, nerfed, weakened. When fought and bested Kaido in 1v1. It's not hard to understand how much someone's strength, power, and speed would be affected if they had several broken bones.
How can you say Dead Man's Game didn't have any effect on Kaido when he was huff the first time Kaido attack afterwards.
Stop denying facts.
Same things as I said above.
Luffy acknowledgment wasn't because Luffy's attack power or damaging Kaido. All of the Scabbards did the same. The acknowledgment was because Luffy, in roughly 2 weeks, obtained the power to damage him. He was impressed by his quick growth. He couldn't do the same for Zoro because he's never faced him before.
Zoro doesn't need ACoC to cut Kaido. His dragon twisted was much more impressive than Luffy's red Rock.
That one attack countered Kaido's twister, cut through his scales, cause internal damage and rescued Luffy.
Zoro asura attack didn't contain ACoC. Yet, still had the power to scar Kaido. A feat only achieved by one other person in the entire manga. Oden needed ACoC to scar Kaido. While Luffy's King Kong internal destruction ACoC/ACoA attack couldn't even chip one of Kaido's scales.
Luffy's attack didn't even slow Kaido down. He brush it off like it with nothing.
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This thread is still going? 
All I know is that 1% Zoro clashed against hybrid Kaido and won, we see Kaido huffing for the 1st time ever, there's none of this WCI Luffy or udon Luffy doing better than Zoro, that's pure fanfic. They latter got the same power up, Luffy got awakening and Zoro a way to go all out with his ryuo, the stronger the haki the stronger the character last I checked.
Luffy always had the pirate Jesus wank and still got hard carried by Zoro before #1010.
All I know is that 1% Zoro clashed against hybrid Kaido and won, we see Kaido huffing for the 1st time ever, there's none of this WCI Luffy or udon Luffy doing better than Zoro, that's pure fanfic. They latter got the same power up, Luffy got awakening and Zoro a way to go all out with his ryuo, the stronger the haki the stronger the character last I checked.
Luffy always had the pirate Jesus wank and still got hard carried by Zoro before #1010.
Comparing enma to the nika fruit....
King of hell is just zoro reaching another level of mastery over enma. Like it's a cool sword I guess but it's not anywhere near as big a deal. He still hasn't even mastered it yet to the level oden did
The nika fruit is actually important and relevant. It's something that goes back all the way to the void century
Using excess haki is something luffy was already doing with gear 4. Doing it better too since luffy's haki is also just better than zoro's
King of hell is just zoro reaching another level of mastery over enma. Like it's a cool sword I guess but it's not anywhere near as big a deal. He still hasn't even mastered it yet to the level oden did
The nika fruit is actually important and relevant. It's something that goes back all the way to the void century
Using excess haki is something luffy was already doing with gear 4. Doing it better too since luffy's haki is also just better than zoro's
Only ancient weapon comes close to that level of destruction.
Peoples are too short sighted. They dont understand the grander scheme of things coming up. Nika was hyped by gorosei. And if will of D is something related to power, it will show why Godfy is the conqueror among conquerors.
with each passing chapter, it will only add up to the MC lore.
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Peoples are too short sighted. They dont understand the grander scheme of things coming up. Nika was hyped by gorosei. And if will of D is something related to power, it will show why Godfy is the conqueror among conquerors.
with each passing chapter, it will only add up to the MC lore.
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