Powers & Abilities King of Hell is a bigger deal than Joyboy Awakening
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Its kaidos own words.
With him he can rule the world. With weaklings he cant.
1001 Luffy's casual Red Roc get comparison to Roger whose haki surpasses all while Luffy at 1042 Over Kong Gun need Mr.Go distraction and serious Drunken Mode Kaidou sneak attack to win
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Zoro's all-out Asura being unable to kill Kaidou's boredom or affect Kaidou in any way
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Zoro's all-out Asura being unable to kill Kaidou's boredom or affect Kaidou in any way
Words of praise for the top performer...
With him he can rule the world. With weaklings he cant.
Kaido thinks with Zoro's power he can rule the world. Try to beat that.
With him he can rule the world. With weaklings he cant.
Kaido thinks with Zoro's power he can rule the world. Try to beat that.
And Haki is essential to be a powerful swordsman. It was said that Ryuo specifically allows the swordsman to become one with the blade and cut and cut not what he desires. While Mihawk pointed out that every nick on your blade is a shame, hence you need to master hardening as well. Meaning, the stronger the Ryuo and hardening, the better of a swordsman you are. While ACoC gives further boost to that. Haki isn't an "ability" as you figured out, it boosts whatever you have. Hence you cannot say that "awakening shits on Haki". Top Tier Haki can make you a powerful individual regardless of your fighting style; you may as well have no fighting style at all but use barriers with your palms (like Rayleigh against the Elephant) which you fuel with internal destruction and Haoshoku, and you would beat awakened users that don't have access to proper level of Haki.
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If Kaidou's fight against G5 persisted, Kaidou would end up winning, Luffy was right to have pulled a finisher at that moment, because if he continued in CQC, Kaidou would be destroying him as he was doing, and even when he pulled his finisher, Kaidou could having avoided the attack which would make Luffy run out even faster after all, missing gigantic island-sized blows would make him lose a lot of energy and haki and even more would leave him completely open.
People still don't get it, Luffy hasn't completely outmatched Kaido, he's outmatched him in just one finisher that Kaidou can openly avoid and keep fighting afterwards...
Luffy's grab was precisely to prevent Kaido from dodging, and Kaidou got rid of the grab leaving Luffy in a bad situation after all Kaidou could dodge but by narrative option Kaidou decided to go head-on.
People still don't get it, Luffy hasn't completely outmatched Kaido, he's outmatched him in just one finisher that Kaidou can openly avoid and keep fighting afterwards...
Luffy's grab was precisely to prevent Kaido from dodging, and Kaidou got rid of the grab leaving Luffy in a bad situation after all Kaidou could dodge but by narrative option Kaidou decided to go head-on.
If Kaido and G5 Luffy fought again, both fresh, Luffy would again need at least 3 rounds to beat Kaido so he is nowhere close to him.
In the last clash, Kaido was at his last legs and probably ran out of juice mid-clash.
Ever since Destroyer of Death, Thunder Bagua, Kaido has not been shown to use aCoC coating and there is no indiciation that he used it in last attack either. Flame clouds also conveniently disappear mid-clash.
We saw how taxing the lifting of the island is on Momonosuke.
In the last clash, Kaido was at his last legs and probably ran out of juice mid-clash.
Ever since Destroyer of Death, Thunder Bagua, Kaido has not been shown to use aCoC coating and there is no indiciation that he used it in last attack either. Flame clouds also conveniently disappear mid-clash.
We saw how taxing the lifting of the island is on Momonosuke.
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I had made a post about it, and I completely agree.
You have something here, because Kaido's Ragnarok at all stages: 1009, and 1037, the use of Acoc emanating from his Kanabo was visible, but in 1045 there was no such thing... And yes, momonosuke was exhausted from just putting the island on the ground for a few seconds, while Kaidou did it all night, and as I had thought from the beginning, Kaidou's skill consumed energy from him to keep keeping the island in the air...
You have something here, because Kaido's Ragnarok at all stages: 1009, and 1037, the use of Acoc emanating from his Kanabo was visible, but in 1045 there was no such thing... And yes, momonosuke was exhausted from just putting the island on the ground for a few seconds, while Kaidou did it all night, and as I had thought from the beginning, Kaidou's skill consumed energy from him to keep keeping the island in the air...
In 1047, after last Thunder Bagua, there was no sign of aCoC ever again.
He is striking Luffy's arm without aCoC coating.
In the last clash, there are CoC clash marks but that can come from Luffy's side only.
We have seen one-sided CoC clash marks before.
The biggest stamina penalty on Kaido was lifting the island the whole night.
Nobody knows how much more juice he would have had if he never lifted Onigashima...
Even in G5, Kaido's attacks are still knocking Luffy out.
The only thing that saves him is heartbeat refills which for sure cannot be used endlessly.
He is striking Luffy's arm without aCoC coating.
In the last clash, there are CoC clash marks but that can come from Luffy's side only.
We have seen one-sided CoC clash marks before.
The biggest stamina penalty on Kaido was lifting the island the whole night.
Nobody knows how much more juice he would have had if he never lifted Onigashima...
Even in G5, Kaido's attacks are still knocking Luffy out.
The only thing that saves him is heartbeat refills which for sure cannot be used endlessly.
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It was one of the things that I found strange because, the nomenclature of the attack was called Conqueror of Death, which makes reference to being an Acoc attack, but there wasn't a considerable amount of Acoc emitting from it, while the Bagua that hit Law and Zoro in 1010 it was transcendent, it was transcending and emanating an insane amount of Acoc, even being compared to the pacific ocean LOL.
Exactly, we've never seen a Kaido with 100% of his strength to tell the truth, we could have seen that if Oda hadn't taken the confrontation from the hems of the screen, he did it for some reason...
That's what I was thinking, because a Ragnarok left Luffy shaking and made him go back to "basic" form,
completely leaving G5, while Kaido stayed there watching and talking until Luffy recovered, and coincidentally Kaido also knelt down in exhaustion, at the moment when Luffy was most vulnerable...
Exactly, we've never seen a Kaido with 100% of his strength to tell the truth, we could have seen that if Oda hadn't taken the confrontation from the hems of the screen, he did it for some reason...
That's what I was thinking, because a Ragnarok left Luffy shaking and made him go back to "basic" form,
completely leaving G5, while Kaido stayed there watching and talking until Luffy recovered, and coincidentally Kaido also knelt down in exhaustion, at the moment when Luffy was most vulnerable...
Yea since casual Red Roc without AdvCoC already achieved that, Over Kong Gun in 1042 hit Kaidou who was already in Drunken Mode since 1037, and Drunken Mode was a sign of Kaidou being serious against Luffy. Kaidou's "Oh no anyway" response was solely against Zoro's all-out Asura that failed achieve what 1001 Luffy casually did.
Your comprehension is filled with agenda, stop saying others as failing at comprehension. All-out Asura just scratched Kaidou as decoration, it didnt affect Kaidou's performance in any way, it didnt even gain Kaidou's recognition unlike 1001 Red Roc Luffy.
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Your comprehension is filled with agenda, stop saying others as failing at comprehension. All-out Asura just scratched Kaidou as decoration, it didnt affect Kaidou's performance in any way, it didnt even gain Kaidou's recognition unlike 1001 Red Roc Luffy.
Luffy's scene had nothing to do with his attack power. The focus was on Luffy's potential since Kaido had an opportunity to see Luffy's growth by fighting him previously.
Kaido was surprised Luffy was able to obtain the power to damage him in a short amount of time. The last time they fought Luffy couldn't damage him at all. It's only been about 2 weeks since they last fought.
If you can't damage Kaido than you aren't capable of fighting him.
It's funny You honest want to go on and on about how to travel when all out use the strongest attack. Yet, completely silent over the fact Zoro was badly injured, nerfed, weakened. When fought and bested Kaido in 1v1. It's not hard to understand how much someone's strength, power, and speed would be affected if they had several broken bones.
How can you say Dead Man's Game didn't have any effect on Kaido when he was huff the first time Kaido attack afterwards.
Stop denying facts.
Same things as I said above.
Luffy acknowledgment wasn't because Luffy's attack power or damaging Kaido. All of the Scabbards did the same. The acknowledgment was because Luffy, in roughly 2 weeks, obtained the power to damage him. He was impressed by his quick growth. He couldn't do the same for Zoro because he's never faced him before.
Zoro doesn't need ACoC to cut Kaido. His dragon twisted was much more impressive than Luffy's red Rock.
That one attack countered Kaido's twister, cut through his scales, cause internal damage and rescued Luffy.
Zoro asura attack didn't contain ACoC. Yet, still had the power to scar Kaido. A feat only achieved by one other person in the entire manga. Oden needed ACoC to scar Kaido. While Luffy's King Kong internal destruction ACoC/ACoA attack couldn't even chip one of Kaido's scales.
Luffy's attack didn't even slow Kaido down. He brush it off like it with nothing.
