Character Discussion Kizaru Vs Aokiji, Which Character Is Better Written?

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The two most fleshed out characters out of the 5 color admirals (as of 12/31/2024 - I have no doubt Issho and Sakazuki will be in discussion eventually).

Which character do people prefer and why?

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Kizaru's character is better

I find Kuzan's character to be the more childish of the two. His reasons for doing what he does are not compelling and difficult to relate to, it really feels like he's just rebelling because he lost

 

[Thaidakar]

Kuzan if he stays a BBP
Both shit if he doesn't

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Which is fine, but I think him taking such a moral high ground about the CDs is just hypocritical because he’s actively defending them.

I wouldn’t be so annoyed by it if it wasn’t for his disapproval of Dragon who isn’t a pirate and created an army that actively is fighting the celestial dragons.

Or if Garp tried to use his name recognition to actively cause change in the world government that he straight up dislikes. But he doesn’t instead he just uses it to bring more people into an army that defends them.

That’s why I really don’t like Garp (and don’t really care for Fuji) but like Kuzan because Kuzan actually put his money where his mouth was.

Kuzan left to help pirates though. Garp isn't ever going to do that.
And what has Garp done to help the CDs in anyway? I'm pretty sure all he's done as a Marine is beat up pirates lol

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Kuzan left to help pirates though. Garp isn't ever going to do that.
And what has Garp done to help the CDs in anyway? I'm pretty sure all he's done as a Marine is beat up pirates lol

Kuzan left because he believed in his personal justice enough to actually do something about it.

He actively protected them in God Valley and his name recognition alone protects them because it empowers the military that serves to do the CDs bidding.

And again, if it was about piracy his distaste for Dragon also makes no sense to me. That’s kinda what I mean is that he feels like he’s just trying to have some moral high ground about his justice while simultaneously judging those who aren’t sacrificing their own justice that he actively taught them.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Kuzan left because he believed in his personal justice enough to actually do something about it.

He actively protected them in God Valley and his name recognition alone protects them because it empowers the military that serves to do the CDs bidding.

And again, if it was about piracy his distaste for Dragon also makes no sense to me. That’s kinda what I mean is that he feels like he’s just trying to have some moral high ground about his justice while simultaneously judging those who aren’t sacrificing their own justice that he actively taught them.

He never protected them in God Valley. Again he didn't care about God Valley itself, he just wanted a chance to capture Roger there
And when did he have a distaste for Dragon?

 

[SakazOuki]

Kuzan left because he believed in his personal justice enough to actually do something about it.

Hmm I think he just left because working under Akainu is simply unbearable considering what happened

 

[Sir Yasheen]

He never protected them in God Valley. Again he didn't care about God Valley itself, he just wanted a chance to capture Roger there
And when did he have a distaste for Dragon?

From what we’re told by Sengoku (the only one who Garp would confide in) that Garp did. And Garp bitched about it to Kuzan.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

From what we’re told by Sengoku (the only one who Garp would confide in) that Garp did. And Garp bitched about it to Kuzan.

Sengoku was probably bluffing because he couldn't possibly tell them that one of the most popular and most powerful Marines didn't help the government at all during God Valley and just focused on fighting Rocks with Roger

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Sengoku was probably bluffing because he couldn't possibly tell them that one of the most popular and most powerful Marines didn't help the government at all during God Valley and just focused on fighting Rocks with Roger

The marines weren’t even at God Valley until Garp came. Sengoku was being fully honest about what happened Garp defended CDs at God Valley and betrayed his own sense of justice for it.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

The marines weren’t even at God Valley until Garp came. Sengoku was being fully honest about what happened Garp defended CDs at God Valley and betrayed his own sense of justice for it.

Then why would he refuse a promotion if he's just going to defend CDs anyway?
And again, he didn't care about God Valley at all. He just wanted to fight Roger.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Then why would he refuse a promotion if he's just going to defend CDs anyway?
And again, he didn't care about God Valley at all. He just wanted to fight Roger.

Because garps justice is hypocritical. Just instead of actually leaving the marines and truly fighting for his personal justice and beliefs he chooses to stay alongside the world government for some sanctimonious ideology that being a marine means he’s the good guy.

At least Sengokus justice relies on the continuation of a system he believes in.

 

[Buusatan94]

Because garps justice is hypocritical. Just instead of actually leaving the marines and truly fighting for his personal justice and beliefs he chooses to stay alongside the world government for some sanctimonious ideology that being a marine means he’s the good guy.

At least Sengokus justice relies on the continuation of a system he believes in.

Well what can we expect from a guy who abuses his grandkids and leave them to be taken care of and raised by bandits ?

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Because garps justice is hypocritical. Just instead of actually leaving the marines and truly fighting for his personal justice and beliefs he chooses to stay alongside the world government for some sanctimonious ideology that being a marine means he’s the good guy.

At least Sengokus justice relies on the continuation of a system he believes in.

He kind of has to stay with them because they're the most reliable method for him to take down as many pirates as possible. That doesn't mean he can't hate them though.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

He kind of has to stay with them because they're the most reliable method for him to take down as many pirates as possible. That doesn't mean he can't hate them though.

Bounty hunters exist in the OP world as such believing that he needs to be a marine to take down pirates doesn’t make sense.

That also doesn’t excuse him actively trying to empower the CDs army by trying to groom Luffy Sabo and Ace to be marines as well knowing it means they would also become weapons for an elite he doesn’t even like.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

@Shiroyru @Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier @SakazOuki @Sir Yasheen
The funniest thing about the Garp and Kuzan clash on Hachinosu is that from the outside looking in Kuzan is almost certainly the one in the right.

Abandoning the government is the correct choice, and if siding with BB can help Kuzan obtain a goal that helps more people overall it's worth it.


Garp: "hmm why did everyone I teach (Ace/Luffy/Dragon/Kuzan) end up abandoning the government"

And despite this Oda still glorifies Garp even when he's in the wrong. This is what makes Garp insufferable.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

@Shiroyru @Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier @SakazOuki @Sir Yasheen
The funniest thing about the Garp and Kuzan clash on Hachinosu is that from the outside looking in Kuzan is almost certainly the one in the right.

Abandoning the government is the correct choice, and if siding with BB can help Kuzan obtain a goal that helps more people overall it's worth it.


Garp: "hmm why did everyone I teach (Ace/Luffy/Dragon/Kuzan) end up abandoning the government"

And despite this Oda still glorifies Garp even when he's in the wrong. This is what makes Garp insufferable.

I really fucking hope what Kuzan is planning is worth him helping rapists and serial killers like Vasco and Devon then lol

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

I really fucking hope what Kuzan is planning is worth him helping rapists and serial killers like Vasco and Devon then lol

Vasco and Devon aren't even close to the CDs in atrocities and Garp still protects their regime even if he copes by not taking direct orders.

There's also clearly some beneficial goal at the end of Kuzan's plot.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I really fucking hope what Kuzan is planning is worth him helping rapists and serial killers like Vasco and Devon then lol

I mean, he knows that none of the BBP can swim so won’t be shocked if his plan is to find where Raftel is then sink the BBP using his ice power like the titanics they are.

 

[MarineHQ]

Garp is such a dogshit character lmfao

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Garp is such a dogshit character lmfao

"Ah yes when my masters decide it's genocide time I look the other way. But I'm not taking their orders directly so really I'm a good person!"

Fujitora and Aokiji actively working against CDs shows just how moronic Garp's position is.
And Kizaru/Ryokugyu/Akainu are evil but the story doesn't pretend they're good and glorify them like it does with Garp.

Garp sucks so much bro