Questions & Mysteries Kyoshiro killed Sasaki off screen?

What do you think happened?

  • Kyoshiro killed him and left

    Votes: 1 3.8%
  • Kyoshiro fatally wounded him and left

    Votes: 1 3.8%
  • Kyoshiro took him with them ALIVE for some reason

    Votes: 24 92.3%

  • Total voters
    26

Jew D. Boy

I Can Go Lower
#42
Is this not you saying that Denjiro and Sasaki were fighting and Denjiro won with little effort?


I have no idea how you reached this conclusion. But it has nothing to do with what we are talking about


Because people are talking about Deniro killing chained up Sasaki.
You’re just nitpicking now; I said they FACED each other, like they were both aware of each other’s presences, so Sasaki wasn’t caught from behind or unaware and he STILL got tricked. That’s been my point the entire time regardless of whether or not you understood it. Maybe it doesn’t strictly have to do with the topic of this thread, but I don’t like that this subject is being taken seriously when what I said was legitimate and you/several others ran away with it in the wrong direction.
 
#43
grown women she never made a stupid call
She did.

Ichiji says "Even if you stole our germa technology, none of you could even actually use it"

So Momma wanted to steal technology she couldn't use. That's stupid
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Read the 2nd comment in this thread and its very clear why Denjiro may not have killed him.
You mean they are friends? He's leaving an enemy who is going to definitely kill his men after he escapes because when Kyoshiro was lying to him as a spy, they became friends. Smart man
 
#44
But big mom is stupid

Kyoshiro wasn't considered stupid until this point

Why not show kyoshiro was stupid before the this scene
Says who ? She is a bit naive, but there is nothing proving that she is stupid. Hell, so far, she has displayed far more shrewdness and intelligence than Kaido in the way she dealt with the SH on her territory.

And as for the above post, they managed to replicate the whole of Punk Hazard's stuff easily for Caesar to use. Ichiji was trolling them hard but truth been told, if the BMP had just stormed the kingdom and stole the blueprints, they would have succeeded in hijacking their technology. Plus I'm sure most of the scientists would have willingly swore themselves to BM to save their lives.
 

Fujishiro

Just chilling
#45
I'm making this thread specifically in anticipation for what could be the worst development in this war yet.

If Kyoshiro managed to get the jump on Sasaki and FAILS TO KILL HIM, this is by far the stupidest plot development I've seen this arc.

I don't care what you say to justify it, its still stupid.

I also know the machinations of plot are the end all of this story so if the PLOT wants Sasaki alive, he will be alive

The only single way I can even slightly tolerate this is, Kyoshiro stabbed Sasaki in the heart and then left him dying. Then someone found Sasaki and removed his cuffs and Sasaki transformed into his ancient Zoan form to regenerate just on the verge of death. (Yes I'm saying ancient zoan can survive stab wounds to the heart)

That's the actual minimum I will take to make this any less stupid.

Outside of such plot machinations, I'm going to say Kyoshiro killed this man off screen BECAUSE WHY THE FUCK WOULDNT HE?
None of the above he left him there chained up in seastone. I believe they used to be friends during denjiros undercover years and I don’t think he had any beef with sasaki. Note how it is denjiros men that sneak in from behind him and cuff him.
 
#46
I said they FACED each other, like they were both aware of each other’s presences
That's a weird way of saying that they were just talking to each other...
or it's a bad excuse, just because you "face" someone doesn't mean you are on guard.



so Sasaki wasn’t caught from behind or unaware and he STILL got tricked
huh?
So you think Denjiro cuffed Sasaki in front of him and not the 2,500 men behind Sasaki while Denjiro was distacting him?

I think it's your thinking that's making Sasaki look bad for you
You’re just nitpicking now;
Am I?
"they faced each other with no distractions and kyoshiro still dropped him"

Sasaki had no intentions/motive, so him "facing" Denjiro means nothing...
while your sentence seems to suggest that they were both engaged in combat or at least both were aware of each others intentions
 
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F

Formerly Seth

#49
Nah. He has his pet dino now. Imagine the swag you will have walking with a pet Triceratops in the Flower Capital.
 
#50
I believe they used to be friends during denjiros undercover years and I don’t think he had any beef with sasaki.
That means kyoshiro is traitor to the alliance

He's letting enemies live

All the enemies he supposedly ended up liking as he himself was pretending to be an enemy will now be spared and all those enemies will kill members of the alliance

Kyoshiro is now a traitor
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Oda can either be saving Sasaki for post-Raid war, or having Sasaki turn good and joining the fight against the Beast Pirates later.
So if Sasaki comes back and kills a single member of the alliance, that's kyoshiro's fault
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You haven't disproved my point at all. My point was that usually in a shonen manga protagonists do not kill people unless pushed into a corner.

Yes, there one or two mangas where protagonists do kill people without needing to be in un-escapable situation. But in most cases, mangaka will not show a protagonist killing people when he/she is not faced with life-or-death situation. And if they do...it is usually followed by the said protagonist reflecting on the choice and leading to character development.

Everything else is irrelevant to this argument.

Ultimately, this thread is a follow-up to your nonsense in the spoiler thread. Get over it.
Like I said, read good shonen one time okay
 
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Fujishiro

Just chilling
#51
That means kyoshiro is traitor to the alliance

He's letting enemies live

All the enemies he supposedly ended up liking as he himself was pretending to be an enemy will now be spared and all those enemies will kill members of the alliance

Kyoshiro is now a traitor
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So if Sasaki comes back and kills a single member of the alliance, that's kyoshiro's fault
Except people rarely die in one piece
 
#53
Okay when Sasaki comes back and turns into a dinosaur and stomps a bunch of alliance fodder, that's kyoshiro's fault
yes thats a choice that kyoshiro made that will most likely back fire but what we got from their banter it seems that they have a freindly relationship kyoshiro understands Sasaki was forced to join kaido so he may not hate Sasaki like he has with kaidos og crew, so to me its not bad writing its character development for kyoshiro.
 
#54
Always trying to force you own narratives into the plot. One can actually argue Law killed Hawkins given how the panel looked but Denijiro killing Sasaki is a no for me. It's not even hinted.
 
#55
Sasaki is most surely alive and going to play his role in the future fights of Wano arc, he isn't getting disposed of that quickly and easely right after his introduction.
 
#56
yes thats a choice that kyoshiro made that will most likely back fire but what we got from their banter it seems that they have a freindly relationship kyoshiro understands Sasaki was forced to join kaido so he may not hate Sasaki like he has with kaidos og crew, so to me its not bad writing its character development for kyoshiro.
Once again This means kyoshiro is stupid

Remember that we haven't seen Denjiro interact or comment on the beast pirates with any kind of favor. He's been talking to them as kyoshiro in spy mode.

Sasaki says Kyoshiro liked his hair wig thing. How are we supposed to know that's true? That's kyoshiro, not Denjiro. What if Denjiro HATES the hair wig and was just pretending for years? How are we supposed to know they are actually close yet kyoshiro has on spoken to them when he's pretending to be on their side?

See all ththis would've worked if their was build up. Like showing Denjiro have anybkind of sympathy for beast pirates OUTSIDE of pretending to be kyoshiro. Instead we have Kyoshiro characterised as a guy who got SO ANGRY at the beast pirates, his face literally warped from it. And this is the guy I'm supposed to believe likes one of the beast pirates top men enough to risk the entire alliance like this?

This is bad writing. No way to slice it otherwise
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Sasaki is most surely alive and going to play his role in the future fights of Wano arc, he isn't getting disposed of that quickly and easely right after his introduction.
Then Oda is a bad writer
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Always trying to force you own narratives into the plot. One can actually argue Law killed Hawkins given how the panel looked but Denijiro killing Sasaki is a no for me. It's not even hinted.
You an try and defend bad writing all you want. It won't stop being that.

Aside from the fact that Law HAS ACTUALLY SAID HE DOESN'T LIKE KILLING, We know that law has hundreds of methods of subduing people without killing them such as taking their hearts... And as do that wasn't even also fuckin war situation

You have no leg to stand on defending this crappy writing as if we previously knew Denjiro has some ability outside of killing Sasaki to put his down or that Denjiro was some kind of pacifist who wouldn't kill a top enemy fighter IN THE MIDDLE OF A FUCKIN WAR

Cry me a river boy
 
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#57
I'm making this thread specifically in anticipation for what could be the worst development in this war yet.

If Kyoshiro managed to get the jump on Sasaki and FAILS TO KILL HIM, this is by far the stupidest plot development I've seen this arc.

I don't care what you say to justify it, its still stupid.

I also know the machinations of plot are the end all of this story so if the PLOT wants Sasaki alive, he will be alive

The only single way I can even slightly tolerate this is, Kyoshiro stabbed Sasaki in the heart and then left him dying. Then someone found Sasaki and removed his cuffs and Sasaki transformed into his ancient Zoan form to regenerate just on the verge of death. (Yes I'm saying ancient zoan can survive stab wounds to the heart)

That's the actual minimum I will take to make this any less stupid.

Outside of such plot machinations, I'm going to say Kyoshiro killed this man off screen BECAUSE WHY THE FUCK WOULDNT HE?
Nope this is shonen, Sasaki is only being restrained for now and he'll most likely break free and participate in the war
 
#59
Once again This means kyoshiro is stupid

Remember that we haven't seen Denjiro interact or comment on the beast pirates with any kind of favor. He's been talking to them as kyoshiro in spy mode.

Sasaki says Kyoshiro liked his hair wig thing. How are we supposed to know that's true? That's kyoshiro, not Denjiro. What if Denjiro HATES the hair wig and was just pretending for years? How are we supposed to know they are actually close yet kyoshiro has on spoken to them when he's pretending to be on their side?

See all ththis would've worked if their was build up. Like showing Denjiro have anybkind of sympathy for beast pirates OUTSIDE of pretending to be kyoshiro. Instead we have Kyoshiro characterised as a guy who got SO ANGRY at the beast pirates, his face literally warped from it. And this is the guy I'm supposed to believe likes one of the beast pirates top men enough to risk the entire alliance like this?

This is bad writing. No way to slice it otherwise
Sasaki was a former pirate captain that was most likely defeated by kaido or the one of the calamities and then was asked to join or die, so there chance Sasaki wasn't part of kaidos crew when they took over or when oden died, so he may not have a grudge against Sasaki because he knows that only reason Sasaki is joined kaido is for survival and yes keeping him alive is stupid but Sasaki isnt just a pirate or random person that would do that his a samuria they have a code and honour, they wouldnt kill someone who hasnt dirctly done anything to harm them or who they love.
 
T

The Penguin

#60
I'm making this thread specifically in anticipation for what could be the worst development in this war yet.

If Kyoshiro managed to get the jump on Sasaki and FAILS TO KILL HIM, this is by far the stupidest plot development I've seen this arc.

I don't care what you say to justify it, its still stupid.

I also know the machinations of plot are the end all of this story so if the PLOT wants Sasaki alive, he will be alive

The only single way I can even slightly tolerate this is, Kyoshiro stabbed Sasaki in the heart and then left him dying. Then someone found Sasaki and removed his cuffs and Sasaki transformed into his ancient Zoan form to regenerate just on the verge of death. (Yes I'm saying ancient zoan can survive stab wounds to the heart)

That's the actual minimum I will take to make this any less stupid.

Outside of such plot machinations, I'm going to say Kyoshiro killed this man off screen BECAUSE WHY THE FUCK WOULDNT HE?
This would be amazing... But I highly doubt it.
 
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