Character Discussion Law and Kid are special in their tier list!

#21
kaido attacked luffys attack with his strongest attack yet he still lost but bigmom tanked kidds strongest attack even if she was on her last leg she tanked it and was only taken out by a bomb all oda could have done was remove the bomb and let kidd ko her but no he added the bombs
She shielded herself with the most impressive form of defensive adv. CoC we saw up to this point. And Kidd broke through it.

Again with the bombs? Oda could've drawn Luffy vs Kaido as a 1v1 yet it was a 15v1.
 

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#22
Let's be low IQ for a moment and assume the bombs defeated a Yonko, is that an attack from Law and Kid ? NO , she's CLEARLY HEALTHY before eating the bomb , so yea i read the manga
Its there on panel: Oda clearly says, through the narrator, Kid and Law won the fight against Linlin. This is nothing optional or something to interpret, its a stated fact by Oda. Except you know better than the author of One Piece.
 
#23
Defeating a Top Tier in a 2v1 without breaks or helps (and while being nerfed) is more impressive than defeating a Top Tier 15v1 with lot of breaks and helps.

I feel much more confident in pairing Kidd & Law against a Top Tier than Luffy alone. Like every day of the week.
luffy that lost to kaido is different from the current luffy no one cares about the amount of time luffy lost in his journey that is in the past g5luffy beat kaido but kidd and law barely defeated (without the bombs they wont have won) the now generally agreed on weakest bonafide top tier while luffy defeated the currently known strongest
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She shielded herself with the most impressive form of adv. CoC we saw up to this point. And Kidd broke through it.
which advcoc
 
#25
Its there on panel: Oda clearly says, through the narrator, Kid and Law won the fight against Linlin. This is nothing optional or something to interpret, its a stated fact by Oda. Except you know better than the author of One Piece.
kaido won the fight but he won because of that cp0 agent but oda did not include his name (kaido would have obviously eventually won but in that moment he only won due to Mr Go)
 
#26
2. Law is literally her Achilles Heel & they heavily relied on surprising her all the time (95% of their Attacks were while she was looking away
Chapter 1039 Both Law and Kid have demonstrated that they can fight Big Mom individually.
Kid was 1vs1 using his awakening + mechanical bull and managing to outmaneuver and damage her
Then Law also attacked her individually with tact + puncture wille.
Dumned punk was also used in a 1vs1 situation.

Both Kid and Law finished the fight showing that they could individually fight berseker Big Mom (full 3 homies too), and avoid her mansherry finishing attack, which is why I say they can give a high difficulty fight to any top tier.
 
#27
luffy that lost to kaido is different from the current luffy no one cares about the amount of time luffy lost in his journey that is in the past g5luffy beat kaido but kidd and law barely defeated (without the bombs they wont have won) the now generally agreed on weakest bonafide top tier while luffy defeated the currently known strongest
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which advcoc
Aight so let's ignore the process, the important thing is that Laughy in the end defeated him with his Biggu Punchu...
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The adv. CoC she ejected to try and stop Damned Punk. Go check my sig, there's the whole fight there.
 
#28
The exact same thing happened with Luffy's Bajrang Gun. But Kaido's wasn't a bluff unlike Linlin's.

Punk Crash caused her immense pain not felt in decades but you think Damned Punk wasn't anything better? Oda literally wrote you on panel that she was bluffing, what else do you need?
Kaidou met Luffy's Attack with an Attack of his own, that's why he was talking like that
Same thing happened in Doffy's Fight
But Big Mom ate Kid's Attack directly, she didn't counter it with anything

Stop exaggerating please
They defeated Big Mom the same way Supernova Four were gonna defeat her on the Roof, if not for Kaidou's Help
The only difference is that Law & Kid managed to make her more Serious & reveal more of her Techniques

Oda literally prepared you for her defeat with that Roof Fall, showing that Big Mom can be defeated with a perfectly coordinated team-play
But it was never ever implied that Kid & Law are close to her Level

You think Big Mom can overpower Two Top Tiers in a Direct Confrontation while their Subordinates beg her to stop & then she gives them her back & leaves out of mercy

Be realistic please
Even during Dressrosa Arc, i've hyped Law as someone stronger than many Commanders & far far away from Veterans
So i know his worth & same for Kid, but i'm not gonna exaggerate & claim they are no different than other Top Tiers just because they managed to pull a perfect Team-Play

You're making yourself look no different than those who hyped King as Top Tier
Saying he defeated Big Mom & her entire Crew lol
 
#31
Kaidou met Luffy's Attack with an Attack of his own, that's why he was talking like that
Same thing happened in Doffy's Fight
But Big Mom ate Kid's Attack directly, she didn't counter it with anything

Stop exaggerating please
They defeated Big Mom the same way Supernova Four were gonna defeat her on the Roof, if not for Kaidou's Help
The only difference is that Law & Kid managed to make her more Serious & reveal more of her Techniques

Oda literally prepared you for her defeat with that Roof Fall, showing that Big Mom can be defeated with a perfectly coordinated team-play
But it was never ever implied that Kid & Law are close to her Level

You think Big Mom can overpower Two Top Tiers in a Direct Confrontation while their Subordinates beg her to stop & then she gives them her back & leaves out of mercy

Be realistic please
Even during Dressrosa Arc, i've hyped Law as someone stronger than many Commanders & far far away from Veterans
So i know his worth & same for Kid, but i'm not gonna exaggerate & claim they are no different than other Top Tiers just because they managed to pull a perfect Team-Play

You're making yourself look no different than those who hyped King as Top Tier
Saying he defeated Big Mom & her entire Crew lol
She countered with Adv. CoC.

And btw, not me and not Pantheos said Kidd or Law = Linlin/Laido/Shanks etc... Right now.
We are saying their ceiling his higher than theirs tho, and that they are on a good point on the road to it already.

And please let's not compare Kidd/Law with King.
 
#32
Bombs cannot defeat Big Mom on their own. She was defeated by the bombs because at that moment she should have some 5% hp on her health bar.
she was at 5% not zero so it should be justified to say law, kidd and bombs defeated bigmom, now if you want to bring kaido I don't care all I care was that when luffy fought his 1v1 with kaido it wsn't only kaido not at full health luffy also was not at full health
 
#33
Aehm, no? Kaido did won this battle. Luffy just entered another battle, after his rebirth.
"Battle of the performance floor : winner Kid and Law" , there might just be another battle and this is not the final battle just like for Luffy
also i admit they won the battle , but they didnt defeated her
OUTSIDE FACTORS "defeated" BM , THE PANEL CLEARLY SHOWS THAT SHE'S FINE BEFORE THE BOMBS
Are you trying to say that if suddenly a lightning from the sky kills a Yonko that means Kid beat BM , that's literally what you are saying
THE BOMBS ARE NOT KID OR LAW ATTACK PERIOD
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Aehm, no? Kaido did won this battle. Luffy just entered another battle, after his rebirth.
imagine the following :
me and you are having a fist fight , suddenly i slip on a banana peel and die.
Yes you won but you didn't defeat me
it's simple
 
#35
she was at 5% not zero so it should be justified to say law, kidd and bombs defeated bigmom, now if you want to bring kaido I don't care all I care was that when luffy fought his 1v1 with kaido it wsn't only kaido not at full health luffy also was not at full health
I don't care about bombs because:

1- Kid and Law already started the fight already injured because they had already taken damage in the fight on the roof.

2- Kid and Law at the beginning of the fight, were still too weak to face Big Mom, so they also took a ton of damage because they were still weak.

3- Kid and Law were also sabotaged by Hawkins, especially Kid, this still left Kid and Law at a complete disadvantage

4- If we want to recognize the strength of Kid and Law individually, we only have to analyze chapter 1039, there they showed that they were much stronger and were able to really face Big Mom (just like I consider Luffy's strength after he used gear5)


The fact is that Kid and Law ended the fight showing that they were top tiers (low top tiers)
 
#36
I don't care about bombs because:

1- Kid and Law already started the fight already injured because they had already taken damage in the fight on the roof.

2- Kid and Law at the beginning of the fight, were still too weak to face Big Mom, so they also took a ton of damage because they were still weak.

3- Kid and Law were also sabotaged by Hawkins, especially Kid, this still left Kid and Law at a complete disadvantage

4- If we want to recognize the strength of Kid and Law individually, we only have to analyze chapter 1039, there they showed that they were much stronger and were able to really face Big Mom (just like I consider Luffy's strength after he used gear5)


The fact is that Kid and Law ended the fight showing that they were top tiers (low top tiers)
nothing shows they are low top tiers individually cause most of kids attack are situational and he need the opponent to be distracted and incompetent ther is no way kidd is landing his strongest attack on anybody
 
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