Break Week Law and Kidd should drink the mink medicine

#63
Their reasoning is since they took less damage than Rooftop Zoro, they should be able to take more damage. I don't even get how that works.
I am not sure about the more damage lol.Zoro took a partial Hakai and a partial Thunder Bagua (which he shared with Law).
I am pretty sure that Both Kid and Law have taken more damage than a partial Hakai after an all out fight against Big Mom.
 
#64
He’s fanboying lol.
Too stupid to realize we can directly scale Law/Kids endurance. To the same general lvl as Luffy/Zoro, based on feats in this very arc. Though he’s been wrong for so many years, just it’s too late to change his stance
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yeah I like Zoro but the lengths people go out to wank him is crazy lol

Zoro knows when to stop and he knows not to interfere in Luffy's fight. In this situation he would've done the same thing as Law
 
#65
The mink medicine won't restore their stamina or haki, they would only end up getting one shotted or actually drag Luffy down rather than provide any sort of help:catsure:. Not to mention the after effects of suffering twice the damage would most likely kill them although it's not anywhere near close to what Zoro went suffered
 
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#66
I am not sure about the more damage lol.Zoro took a partial Hakai and a partial Thunder Bagua (which he shared with Law).
I am pretty sure that Both Kid and Law have taken more damage than a partial Hakai after an all out fight against Big Mom.
For all we know, Zoro's damage was worse as Law, being a doctor and a fellow pirate, can't believe Zoro is able to move after the level of damage he took. And he's got around 30 bones broken while even someone like BM can't afford to fight with a few broken bones. It looks more serious in the comparison.

I'd say Kaido used two consecutive TBs to hit Zoro and Law.
 
#67
Dude Zoro literally lays down if he can't go any longer and lets Luffy handle it. Law is basically doing the same thing
Zoro hasn‘t done that since the fight with Cabaji way back in the beginning of One Piece.

There’s a big difference between being knocked out, and just lying down and deciding you’ve done enough and can’t fight anymore. If Zoro’s in Kid and Law’s position, he‘s at least trying to fight off the fodder around him.

With things like fighting on after Hakai/taking Luffy’s pain/Luffy‘s ID Marineford gauntlet Luffy and Zoro have shown the capacity they have to push their bodies above and beyond what is normal even among their general level.

Other characters do not get the benefit of the doubt in this area with people saying “oh, if Zoro or Luffy can do it character X can do it.” Because what Luffy and Zoro show in these moments is the insane drive that show why they will achieve their aims of getting to the top, why people like Shanks and Mihawk were impressed by them when they were little more than fodder in the grand scheme of things. It‘s not even feats, it’s an extraordinary personality. Kid and Law don’t have it. It’s possibly why they don’t have ACoC either- because Haki is called what it is for a reason, ambition, willpower, drive etc.

Kid and Law are certainly strong and all that, no denying that, but this is an area where they are, to try and quantify it, an A and Luffy and Zoro are an S. They have to show the feats, they don’t get a bye.

It’s like Whitebeard’s last stand at Marineford. There are other top tiers, but there‘s little reason to believe that all of them could match what he did there, if their bodies were basically collapsing under them before the fighting even started.
 

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#68
yeah I like Zoro but the lengths people go out to wank him is crazy lol

Zoro knows when to stop and he knows not to interfere in Luffy's fight. In this situation he would've done the same thing as Law
Law literally says I can't fight even if it's Kaido that's coming down meaning he admitted he can't go even if Luffy is defeated. It's funny how we attribute every argument we can't counter with fanboyism.
 
#69
Law literally says I can't fight even if it's Kaido that's coming down meaning he admitted he can't go even if Luffy is defeated. It's funny how we attribute every argument we can't counter with fanboyism.
Because Law used all of his energy. We literally have seen Zoro say the same thing to Law before using Asura
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Zoro hasn‘t done that since the fight with Cabaji way back in the beginning of One Piece.

There’s a big difference between being knocked out, and just lying down and deciding you’ve done enough and can’t fight anymore. If Zoro’s in Kid and Law’s position, he‘s at least trying to fight off the fodder around him.

With things like fighting on after Hakai/taking Luffy’s pain/Luffy‘s ID Marineford gauntlet Luffy and Zoro have shown the capacity they have to push their bodies above and beyond what is normal even among their general level.

Other characters do not get the benefit of the doubt in this area with people saying “oh, if Zoro or Luffy can do it character X can do it.” Because what Luffy and Zoro show in these moments is the insane drive that show why they will achieve their aims of getting to the top, why people like Shanks and Mihawk were impressed by them when they were little more than fodder in the grand scheme of things. It‘s not even feats, it’s an extraordinary personality. Kid and Law don’t have it. It’s possibly why they don’t have ACoC either- because Haki is called what it is for a reason, ambition, willpower, drive etc.

Kid and Law are certainly strong and all that, no denying that, but this is an area where they are, to try and quantify it, an A and Luffy and Zoro are an S. They have to show the feats, they don’t get a bye.

It’s like Whitebeard’s last stand at Marineford. There are other top tiers, but there‘s little reason to believe that all of them could match what he did there, if their bodies were basically collapsing under them before the fighting even started.
He did with Mr 1.

he also did it with arlong

probably a lot more times I don’t remember. If Zoro can’t go he won’t go. Law right now just collapsed on the floor.
 

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#70
Because Law used all of his energy. We literally have seen Zoro say the same thing to Law before using Asura
Zoro should be out of the game moment he took Hakai. None of his peers even expected him to do anything after it but he still pushed past his limits and contributed to getting rid of Big Mom which Law couldn't believe. Zoro didn't stop there... He went even crazy and ended up giving Kaido his only scare in two decades once again shocking Law. Yes, everyone gives up when they did everything they can; Zoro and Luffy happened to go a bit further than that before giving up which is what separates them from the likes of Law and Kid.
 
#71
Zoro should be out of the game moment he took Hakai. None of his peers even expected him to do anything after it but he still pushed past his limits and contributed to getting rid of Big Mom which Law couldn't believe. Zoro didn't stop there... He went even crazy and ended up giving Kaido his only scare in two decades once again shocking Law. Yes, everyone gives up when they did everything they can; Zoro and Luffy happened to go a bit further than that before giving up which is what separates them from the likes of Law and Kid.
Zoro was presented the opportunity to keep fighting, but right before it he literally tells Sanji that Luffy is going to win

if Kaido goes down do you really expect Law and Kid to sit still? To me it clearly looks like Law is telling kid to not interfere with Luffy’s fight
 

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#72
Because primarily the mink medicine has been stated to have "ultra regenerative" effects and would heal your injuries temporarily.

It has never been stated to replenish your stamina or haki pools, which is what Law and Kid have exhausted by using their unmastered awakenings.
 

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#73
if Kaido goes down do you really expect Law and Kid to sit still? To me it clearly looks like Law is telling kid to not interfere with Luffy’s fight
I don't know about Kid but that's what Law said. He basically said there isn't anything he can do.

Zoro was presented the opportunity to keep fighting, but right before it he literally tells Sanji that Luffy is going to win
I don't see how it changes anything. Zoro had gone past his limits even before Luffy woke up and started fighting Kaido. After reaching the floor, he took the gamble of taking the Mink medicine knowing full well that he likely won't survive this fight. That's a boundary Law isn't willing to cross knowingly.
 
#74
I don't know about Kid but that's what Law said. He basically said there isn't anything he can do.



I don't see how it changes anything. Zoro had gone past his limits even before Luffy woke up and started fighting Kaido. After going down, he took the gamble knowing full well that he likely won't survive this fight. That's a boundary Law isn't willing to cross knowingly.
In other translations Kid is asking Law if they should head back to the roof and Law basically said if Kaido wins they’re screwed. He’s pretty much telling Kid he’s not much help. If forced to act he would obviously will
 

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#75
In other translations Kid is asking Law if they should head back to the roof and Law basically said if Kaido wins they’re screwed. He’s pretty much telling Kid he’s not much help. If forced to act he would obviously will
That's the major difference b/w Law and Zoro. No one needs to pressure Zoro to go past his limits. He's always willing to do it.
 

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#77
And Law is as well

do you really believe if Kid had asked Zoro if they should head back up he would say “yeah let’s go”
One, Zoro already kept going when he was more injured than Kid and Law. Two, if Zoro is with Kid, Zoro won't go to the Rooftop because he trusts Luffy but if he thinks Luffy can't win, then he'd go even before Kid suggests it.
 

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#79
So basically he would tell Kid no

stop skirting around the point. He would literally do the same thing as Law in this situation.
Selective reading is dangerous. Law isn't telling Kid to just trust Luffy; he's telling him he can't do regardless of the outcome. Zoro wouldn't do that which is where the difference is. Also, Zoro wouldn't be laying on the ground if he's got the energy to move around if he's forced to. Zoro keeps going until he's completely out of juice to the point that he can't defend himself. That's what he did during Rooftop, and you're saying for yourself that Law's got enough power to fight Kaido if he's forced to.
 
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