Break Week Law and Kidd should drink the mink medicine
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No, he didn’t.
With Mr 1 he was briefly knocked out, then got back up, carried Nami around, met up with Luffy and immediately started back fighting again
With Arlong he was suffering from a wound that should have taken two years to heal even before fighting Hachi. Fought and beat Hachi, then got beaten by Arlong- and made Arlong shit himself that he was capable of fighting in that state. Then Luffy launched him right out the area and only then did he stop. He didn’t just beat Hachi and say “well, I’m beat, done enough, can’t do anymore.” He fought Arlong in a state that had Arlong amazed, not only that he was capable of standing, but that he was even alive.
Zoro was willing to- and was half way through succeeding with- cutting off his own legs to get in a fight.
And Luffy’s done the same thing
Luffy and Zoro do not give up, and they do not stop if they can still fight. Kid and Law need to show themselves at the same level- they haven’t. Not unless it transpires that to escape Shanks Kid deliberately sacrificed his own arm or something like that.
With Mr 1 he was briefly knocked out, then got back up, carried Nami around, met up with Luffy and immediately started back fighting again
With Arlong he was suffering from a wound that should have taken two years to heal even before fighting Hachi. Fought and beat Hachi, then got beaten by Arlong- and made Arlong shit himself that he was capable of fighting in that state. Then Luffy launched him right out the area and only then did he stop. He didn’t just beat Hachi and say “well, I’m beat, done enough, can’t do anymore.” He fought Arlong in a state that had Arlong amazed, not only that he was capable of standing, but that he was even alive.
Zoro was willing to- and was half way through succeeding with- cutting off his own legs to get in a fight.
And Luffy’s done the same thing
Luffy and Zoro do not give up, and they do not stop if they can still fight. Kid and Law need to show themselves at the same level- they haven’t. Not unless it transpires that to escape Shanks Kid deliberately sacrificed his own arm or something like that.
No, he didn’t.
With Mr 1 he was briefly knocked out, then got back up, carried Nami around, met up with Luffy and immediately started back fighting again
With Arlong he was suffering from a wound that should have taken two years to heal even before fighting Hachi. Fought and beat Hachi, then got beaten by Arlong- and made Arlong shit himself that he was capable of fighting in that state. Then Luffy launched him right out the area and only then did he stop. He didn’t just beat Hachi and say “well, I’m beat, done enough, can’t do anymore.” He fought Arlong in a state that had Arlong amazed, not only that he was capable of standing, but that he was even alive.
Zoro was willing to- and was half way through succeeding with- cutting off his own legs to get in a fight.
And Luffy’s done the same thing
Luffy and Zoro do not give up, and they do not stop if they can still fight. Kid and Law need to show themselves at the same level- they haven’t. Not unless it transpires that to escape Shanks Kid deliberately sacrificed his own arm or something like that.
With Mr 1 he was briefly knocked out, then got back up, carried Nami around, met up with Luffy and immediately started back fighting again
With Arlong he was suffering from a wound that should have taken two years to heal even before fighting Hachi. Fought and beat Hachi, then got beaten by Arlong- and made Arlong shit himself that he was capable of fighting in that state. Then Luffy launched him right out the area and only then did he stop. He didn’t just beat Hachi and say “well, I’m beat, done enough, can’t do anymore.” He fought Arlong in a state that had Arlong amazed, not only that he was capable of standing, but that he was even alive.
Zoro was willing to- and was half way through succeeding with- cutting off his own legs to get in a fight.
And Luffy’s done the same thing
Luffy and Zoro do not give up, and they do not stop if they can still fight. Kid and Law need to show themselves at the same level- they haven’t. Not unless it transpires that to escape Shanks Kid deliberately sacrificed his own arm or something like that.
No, he didn’t.
With Mr 1 he was briefly knocked out, then got back up, carried Nami around, met up with Luffy and immediately started back fighting again
With Arlong he was suffering from a wound that should have taken two years to heal even before fighting Hachi. Fought and beat Hachi, then got beaten by Arlong- and made Arlong shit himself that he was capable of fighting in that state. Then Luffy launched him right out the area and only then did he stop. He didn’t just beat Hachi and say “well, I’m beat, done enough, can’t do anymore.” He fought Arlong in a state that had Arlong amazed, not only that he was capable of standing, but that he was even alive.
Zoro was willing to- and was half way through succeeding with- cutting off his own legs to get in a fight.
And Luffy’s done the same thing
Luffy and Zoro do not give up, and they do not stop if they can still fight. Kid and Law need to show themselves at the same level- they haven’t. Not unless it transpires that to escape Shanks Kid deliberately sacrificed his own arm or something like that.
With Mr 1 he was briefly knocked out, then got back up, carried Nami around, met up with Luffy and immediately started back fighting again
With Arlong he was suffering from a wound that should have taken two years to heal even before fighting Hachi. Fought and beat Hachi, then got beaten by Arlong- and made Arlong shit himself that he was capable of fighting in that state. Then Luffy launched him right out the area and only then did he stop. He didn’t just beat Hachi and say “well, I’m beat, done enough, can’t do anymore.” He fought Arlong in a state that had Arlong amazed, not only that he was capable of standing, but that he was even alive.
Zoro was willing to- and was half way through succeeding with- cutting off his own legs to get in a fight.
And Luffy’s done the same thing
Luffy and Zoro do not give up, and they do not stop if they can still fight. Kid and Law need to show themselves at the same level- they haven’t. Not unless it transpires that to escape Shanks Kid deliberately sacrificed his own arm or something like that.
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What do you think Law'd have done after losing his arm if Luffy didn't come back? Nothing. Zoro didn't pass out after Mr.1 fight; he temporarily collapsed and went to fight again. I don't see why you keep using "not interfere with Luffy's fight" when Law literally admitted he can't do a thing even if Luffy loses. You're grasping at the straws at this point, mate.
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"Yeah, we're not gifting Luffy and Zoro's feats to them because we think they can do it"
cool I agree, incredible logic .
following this line of thought
zoro cant beat big mom even in a 2v1 cause those are not his feats
have a nice day
"The fight inn which their own subordinates are begging Big Mom to spare them."
the subordinates think their captains are in more danger than they were
they were telling them to run while they were beating her
at this point you have just become intentionally dishonest.
arguing with some zorofans over something so obvious is genuinely boring.
cool I agree, incredible logic .
following this line of thought
zoro cant beat big mom even in a 2v1 cause those are not his feats
have a nice day
"The fight inn which their own subordinates are begging Big Mom to spare them."
the subordinates think their captains are in more danger than they were
they were telling them to run while they were beating her
at this point you have just become intentionally dishonest.
arguing with some zorofans over something so obvious is genuinely boring.
Is that supposed to be a comeback? That's a false equivalence. Zoro factually endured things that go well beyond Kid's and Law's limits. He's more injured than them by your own admission during Rooftop; he went on to take a gamble that'd make his condition twice as worse and then he ended up getting more injured fighting King making his condition even worse. And he's gonna survive all of that.
Kid and Law right here lying on the floor unable to do anything after taking less damage than Rooftop Zoro and you want to us believe they can replicate Zoro's feat just fine because you think "they should be able to do it if Zoro can?"
Two different scenarios. The assertion was accurate because Kid's ultimate attack wasn't working and they know Law hit his limit and can't do more. The captains were being stubborn like they should despite the odds being against them. Big Mom did survive Kid's attack as a matter of fact and we know Big Mom was actually defeated.
Even if the subordinates are overreacting, we're talking about them taking in more than twice the suffering of what their subordinates thought would kill them. Giving them a free pass here is reaching.
There is no dishonestly here. We're not giving anyone the benefit of doubt unless we have a logical reason to. You failed to make a case for your stance and started to blame others for being fanboys because they're not entertaining your groundless claims. That's not how it works.
Kid and Law right here lying on the floor unable to do anything after taking less damage than Rooftop Zoro and you want to us believe they can replicate Zoro's feat just fine because you think "they should be able to do it if Zoro can?"
Two different scenarios. The assertion was accurate because Kid's ultimate attack wasn't working and they know Law hit his limit and can't do more. The captains were being stubborn like they should despite the odds being against them. Big Mom did survive Kid's attack as a matter of fact and we know Big Mom was actually defeated.
Even if the subordinates are overreacting, we're talking about them taking in more than twice the suffering of what their subordinates thought would kill them. Giving them a free pass here is reaching.
There is no dishonestly here. We're not giving anyone the benefit of doubt unless we have a logical reason to. You failed to make a case for your stance and started to blame others for being fanboys because they're not entertaining your groundless claims. That's not how it works.
1. zoro being expected to be able to recover from the after effects from the drug was not a requirement for taking the drug and it certainly wouldnt be for law and kidd so it should be an option for them . the fact it isnt is down to pis .
"Kid and Law right here lying on the floor unable to do anything after taking less damage than Rooftop Zoro and you want to us believe they can replicate Zoro's feat just fine because you think "they should be able to do it if Zoro can?"
luffy was lying unconscious on the ground after a round with kaido and in no doubt took far less damage than rooftop zoro
do you also assume the mink drug isn't an option for him because you havent been shown? lmao
I also recall zoro left unconscious on the ground in this same arc from killer's scythe and some hunger.
very indicative ones endurance is reliant on the plot .
not sure replicate is the word you are looking for there
replicate :make an exact copy of; reproduce.
since they don't go through the same pain zoro did , they do not have to endure the same amount of pain , they dont have to replicate his feats. what they have to replicate is taking 2x the pain they have currently dealt with after big mom, have they showcased the willpower and do they have the portrayal as characters to do that?
certainly
"There is no dishonestly here. We're not giving anyone the benefit of doubt unless we have a logical reason to. You failed to make a case for your stance and started to blame others for being fanboys because they're not entertaining your groundless claims. That's not how it works."
I find it incredibly funny the same crowd will allude to mihawk doing much better things than zoro up against kaido under the pretext that he is stronger which by defn would be giving zoro feats to him . Yes I find it utterly comedic when it suits your argument you will demand concrete feats and when it does not you will defer to portrayal . you lot are not consistent and it's embarrassing.
using these fodder who thought kid and law should run from a soul pocus to say kidd and law were at the brink of death is a joke . it is very clear they underestimated their captains.
if you cant understand something as basic as zoro enduring these ordeals simply due to a strong will then you are simply not worth wasting my time with . Hope to see more consistency with zoro fans moving forward with mihak as well cause a lot of his feats are simply transferred and from what you have told me here , we base arguments on what we can see.
nonsense talk
grab a panel to prove what you have just said.
"Kid and Law right here lying on the floor unable to do anything after taking less damage than Rooftop Zoro and you want to us believe they can replicate Zoro's feat just fine because you think "they should be able to do it if Zoro can?"
luffy was lying unconscious on the ground after a round with kaido and in no doubt took far less damage than rooftop zoro
do you also assume the mink drug isn't an option for him because you havent been shown? lmao
I also recall zoro left unconscious on the ground in this same arc from killer's scythe and some hunger.
very indicative ones endurance is reliant on the plot .
not sure replicate is the word you are looking for there
replicate :make an exact copy of; reproduce.
since they don't go through the same pain zoro did , they do not have to endure the same amount of pain , they dont have to replicate his feats. what they have to replicate is taking 2x the pain they have currently dealt with after big mom, have they showcased the willpower and do they have the portrayal as characters to do that?
certainly
"There is no dishonestly here. We're not giving anyone the benefit of doubt unless we have a logical reason to. You failed to make a case for your stance and started to blame others for being fanboys because they're not entertaining your groundless claims. That's not how it works."
I find it incredibly funny the same crowd will allude to mihawk doing much better things than zoro up against kaido under the pretext that he is stronger which by defn would be giving zoro feats to him . Yes I find it utterly comedic when it suits your argument you will demand concrete feats and when it does not you will defer to portrayal . you lot are not consistent and it's embarrassing.
using these fodder who thought kid and law should run from a soul pocus to say kidd and law were at the brink of death is a joke . it is very clear they underestimated their captains.
if you cant understand something as basic as zoro enduring these ordeals simply due to a strong will then you are simply not worth wasting my time with . Hope to see more consistency with zoro fans moving forward with mihak as well cause a lot of his feats are simply transferred and from what you have told me here , we base arguments on what we can see.
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nonsense talk
grab a panel to prove what you have just said.
You need to survive the damage you took before you're expected to recover. Zoro alredy survived.
Well, I admit my vocabulary is incredibly limited and I am not well educated so I apologize for making things confusing, but I think most people would understand what I am trying to say as we're talking about the duo going through a similar ordeal, and the context makes it rather obvious we're talking about doubling the damage Law and Kid took.
About time you follow your own rules for arguments:
Funny, isn't it? Everyone else needs to have a scan supporting their claim and somehow we're supposed to accept your own takes as facts without questioning their authenticity.
Well, I admit my vocabulary is incredibly limited and I am not well educated so I apologize for making things confusing, but I think most people would understand what I am trying to say as we're talking about the duo going through a similar ordeal, and the context makes it rather obvious we're talking about doubling the damage Law and Kid took.
About time you follow your own rules for arguments:
Funny, isn't it? Everyone else needs to have a scan supporting their claim and somehow we're supposed to accept your own takes as facts without questioning their authenticity.
"You need to survive the damage you took before you're expected to recover. Zoro alredy survived."
that has nothing to do with being given the option to take the mink drug . why isnt it an option for them
certainly it isnt because there is a guarantee that they die .read again.
kidd and law survived the ordeal vs big mom
did chopper see the future of zoro surviving before he decided to give the drug? No. it was a chance taken one that easily could be given to kidd and law should they choose to end this battle with kaido quickly.
"Funny, isn't it? Everyone else needs to have a scan supporting their claim and somehow we're supposed to accept your own takes as facts without questioning their authenticity."
whats funny in that you cant realize its a tongue in cheek comment because we all make inferences based on the little we are shown in the manga. thats why hint one can assume mihawk does so and so without a specific feat regarding that. you do this I do this.
that's also why one can reasonably assume wills as strong and kidd and law have a chance at powering through such a situation but its so hard for you to grasp it seems.
points being ignored like killer koing zoro in this same arc or the question with luffy
could luffy take the mink drug and survive yes or no
so I know what am dealing with here
that has nothing to do with being given the option to take the mink drug . why isnt it an option for them
certainly it isnt because there is a guarantee that they die .read again.
kidd and law survived the ordeal vs big mom
did chopper see the future of zoro surviving before he decided to give the drug? No. it was a chance taken one that easily could be given to kidd and law should they choose to end this battle with kaido quickly.
"Funny, isn't it? Everyone else needs to have a scan supporting their claim and somehow we're supposed to accept your own takes as facts without questioning their authenticity."
whats funny in that you cant realize its a tongue in cheek comment because we all make inferences based on the little we are shown in the manga. thats why hint one can assume mihawk does so and so without a specific feat regarding that. you do this I do this.
that's also why one can reasonably assume wills as strong and kidd and law have a chance at powering through such a situation but its so hard for you to grasp it seems.
points being ignored like killer koing zoro in this same arc or the question with luffy
could luffy take the mink drug and survive yes or no
so I know what am dealing with here
Lmao, it was honestly some deus ex machina shit. Not that we’ve gotten enough of that from Wano alone already. We have 3 of the greatest doctors to try and heal Zoro and Oda went with magic cum.
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Lol at the fans trying to act like only Zoro can power through the side effects. The drug already healed Zoro before King fight. It just doubles your pain, that’s the least of what a One Piece character can go through and survive. Oda just pulled this medicine out of his ass to try and keep that Buddhist no pain no gain theme for Zoro. It never being mentioned again is most likely and stupid af.
P.S.
Lol at the fans trying to act like only Zoro can power through the side effects. The drug already healed Zoro before King fight. It just doubles your pain, that’s the least of what a One Piece character can go through and survive. Oda just pulled this medicine out of his ass to try and keep that Buddhist no pain no gain theme for Zoro. It never being mentioned again is most likely and stupid af.
