General & Others Luffy vs Akainu naysaying feels pretty ironic
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Jinbe's response about BB had nothing to do with Luffy and Akainu lol. The MC can have multiple climactic fights with multiple villains.
Blackbeard can fall at or near LT with Shanks. Akainu can fall at or near New Marineford. Im can fall at or near Mariejois. Theres nothing suggesting these arcs are entirely happening in 1 sitting. Time will certainly pass between each.
Finding One Piece will spark the war. Defeating the Marines will allow them to reach Mariejois. Its that simple if you dont overthink things.
Blackbeard can fall at or near LT with Shanks. Akainu can fall at or near New Marineford. Im can fall at or near Mariejois. Theres nothing suggesting these arcs are entirely happening in 1 sitting. Time will certainly pass between each.
Finding One Piece will spark the war. Defeating the Marines will allow them to reach Mariejois. Its that simple if you dont overthink things.
I don't know why you thought this was a good point to make; Jinbei was listing the threats to Luffy and Blackbeard was the only one in his entire speech that was stated to be the guy that Luffy had a score to settle with.
Using a single panel of Luffy saying ''Akainu'' to claim it's foreshadowing is dumb, since in context we see that Luffy gave no fucks just one panel later and Blackbeard was actually the one explicitly stated to be Luffy's fight, not Akainu.
Using a single panel of Luffy saying ''Akainu'' to claim it's foreshadowing is dumb, since in context we see that Luffy gave no fucks just one panel later and Blackbeard was actually the one explicitly stated to be Luffy's fight, not Akainu.
Like I said, I don't mind Sabo vs Akainu since it will be just a clash, and since Final War will be match-ups clusterfuck, Akainu will throw hands with multiple opponents, Sabo, Dragon, Luffy, you named them.
But at the end of the day, Luffy will be the one that will defeats Akainu. Sabo defeating Sakazuki is just another ZKK.
But at the end of the day, Luffy will be the one that will defeats Akainu. Sabo defeating Sakazuki is just another ZKK.
And yet Luffy's only reaction to all of this news was Akainu lmao, so who's objective opinion is more important? Luffy's or Jinbe's? You are doing the exact same thing with Jinbe lmao
Odd argument to even make, because.the answer is the scene fucking doesnt matter when in the end both are Luffy's villains.
Odd argument to even make, because.the answer is the scene fucking doesnt matter when in the end both are Luffy's villains.
Luffy saying 'akainu' is not 'his opinion' it's him saying Akainu and then proceeding to show how much he doesn't give a fuck by forgetting all about him in a single panel.
I didn't do the same thing with Jinbei you just didn't understand the argument; I was making the point that your example actually works against you in context since Blackbeard was directly stated to be Luffy's score to settle not akainu. That's not me making an argument for Blackbeard, I was just pointing out how bad your argument was.
I don't need to make an argument for Blackbeard since only an idiot would believe he isn't Luffy's EoS opponent.
I didn't do the same thing with Jinbei you just didn't understand the argument; I was making the point that your example actually works against you in context since Blackbeard was directly stated to be Luffy's score to settle not akainu. That's not me making an argument for Blackbeard, I was just pointing out how bad your argument was.
I don't need to make an argument for Blackbeard since only an idiot would believe he isn't Luffy's EoS opponent.
No sorry, you cant disregard Luffy's behavior towards Akainu then act like Jinbe's opinion on an entirely separate matter means anything to the first.
Educate yourself:
- The chapter in question (650) is called "2 Changes to Be Aware Of"
- The 2 changes in the chapter are Akainu becoming FA and Blackbeard being a Yonko.
- Literally Jinbe himself in the same fucking speech panel (middle of the page) talks about both:
The conversation transitions from one to the other. BOTH are important to Luffy. BOTH are major foils and villains. This isnt about one or the other, they both play a role on both ends to foil Luffy's progress as Antagonists.
And no, nothing even remotely states or specifies Blackbeard is the final villain. In fact, theres actual dialogue that suggests hes not either:
Precisely because when One Piece is found, the Final War with the WG begins. Blackbeard quite literally needs to lose the PK race in order for this to happen
And no, I do not believe Akainu is the final villain in that same vein, because Akainu is not the center of the World Government.
Educate yourself:
- The chapter in question (650) is called "2 Changes to Be Aware Of"
- The 2 changes in the chapter are Akainu becoming FA and Blackbeard being a Yonko.
- Literally Jinbe himself in the same fucking speech panel (middle of the page) talks about both:
The conversation transitions from one to the other. BOTH are important to Luffy. BOTH are major foils and villains. This isnt about one or the other, they both play a role on both ends to foil Luffy's progress as Antagonists.
And no, nothing even remotely states or specifies Blackbeard is the final villain. In fact, theres actual dialogue that suggests hes not either:
Precisely because when One Piece is found, the Final War with the WG begins. Blackbeard quite literally needs to lose the PK race in order for this to happen
And no, I do not believe Akainu is the final villain in that same vein, because Akainu is not the center of the World Government.
Honestly they all are in the grand scheme. I only (biasedly) say Shanks may have to do with the endgame because of his relationship with the Gorosei/WG. Its funny to me Imu hated both BB and Luffy, but seems to have no reaction to Shanks (yes I get they are D), the person who gave him his hat and lead him on this path. Makes you think....
Xebec as a final villain would be cool too.
Really I dont care who is fought last, I just care that they are all fought and handled. We still arent even sure about Elbaf's villain (Loki?) Or this Burned Scar Man too. Then theres just this very arc with Kizaru and Saturn (who hopefully is strong) lol....
I realistically think that its going to take a minute to get there since Lodestar definitely isnt next. But my assumption currently is:
- Luffy beats Kizaru and/or Saturn at Eggead, those marines are defeated or return to HQ to prepare for war.
- Elbaf is next (if Fullalead is not visited), and it focuses on Loki or maybe the "God" Elbaf. Mainly an arc situated on allying with the Giants (i.e. one more "Kingdom" arc)
- Burned Man probably will be the focus after this, and I assume BB and Shanks will be involved here, along with CG. Whatever happens there (Luffy defeating the Burned man, BB defeating Shanks or neither), leads to Luffy defeating BB at Laugh tale. I.e. Burned Mans Territory -> Lodestar -> Laugh Tale. Realistically who actually knows what happens to Shanks because we dont know his true goals yet.
- Final War begins at New Marineford. Akainu loses here
- Marinejois is next, maybe some weird moon shit. Imu and his Gorosei/Gods Knights are fought there.
But anyway, I think his battle royale language mainly had to do with Kid, Law and Garp (?) losing this arc along with Kizaru. After this, its going take a minute to get to the next one with the 4 Yonko + Burned man.
As to how Rocks' story fits into all of this....no clue lol. Clearly tied to BB and Shanks, but to what extent we just have no idea.
- Luffy beats Kizaru and/or Saturn at Eggead, those marines are defeated or return to HQ to prepare for war.
- Elbaf is next (if Fullalead is not visited), and it focuses on Loki or maybe the "God" Elbaf. Mainly an arc situated on allying with the Giants (i.e. one more "Kingdom" arc)
- Burned Man probably will be the focus after this, and I assume BB and Shanks will be involved here, along with CG. Whatever happens there (Luffy defeating the Burned man, BB defeating Shanks or neither), leads to Luffy defeating BB at Laugh tale. I.e. Burned Mans Territory -> Lodestar -> Laugh Tale. Realistically who actually knows what happens to Shanks because we dont know his true goals yet.
- Final War begins at New Marineford. Akainu loses here
- Marinejois is next, maybe some weird moon shit. Imu and his Gorosei/Gods Knights are fought there.
But anyway, I think his battle royale language mainly had to do with Kid, Law and Garp (?) losing this arc along with Kizaru. After this, its going take a minute to get to the next one with the 4 Yonko + Burned man.
As to how Rocks' story fits into all of this....no clue lol. Clearly tied to BB and Shanks, but to what extent we just have no idea.