General & Others Luffy vs Akainu naysaying feels pretty ironic

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
#41
@Nidai_Kitetsu
Don't be dumb btw, powerlevels do matter. This is a battle shounen first and foremost. Problems aren't solved in One Piece by sitting down and discussing politics over a cup of tea. Luffy solves every problem by kicking ass.

Powerlevels is the single most important thing, the final villain has to be unique, he can't be someone who is simply among the top tiers. Aside from Imu, only BB can fill that criteria.
 
#42
If the next arc is a war vs the Navy Akainu is an EOS villain for Luffy as the only fights that remain after that are Imu and Blackbleard
I don't really see it as "EOS" if there will be two more main fights after Akainu.
How many times has Akainu since PH stated he won't let Luffy do as he pleases
I mean, Akainu said he will finish "each and everyone", as a response to Sabo being hailed as the Flame Emperor.
 
#43
Technically, Akainu is more of a gimmick fighter.
Yes he's still strong, but I can't really see him being stronger than Kaidou. Especially as his main way of fighting is just vaporizing people.
We know how the fight goes.
-Luffy can't touch Akainu
-Luffy is on the ropes, really has to find a way to touch him
-Realizes he has Advanced Haki and starts pummeling him from a distance
-Final clash, he wins, falls from exhaustion
 
#44
It's about which fight is guaranteed. Akainu vs Luffy is cemented moreso than any other battle. How it turns out is up for debate, Luffy will cross paths with Akainu.

Oda can do whatever the fuck he wants, he can have Akainu overthrow imu if he wanted, that's not the issue. Akainu has more resources than Blackbeard to begin with. The only issues are he is not at the top of the WG (which can be changed), and his growth to be much stronger than Primebeard and Roger isn't there (this cannot be changed in a believable fashion).
The question is, will Luffy beat Akainu in a 1on1? If Akainu is not the final fight, how does that work? Stop saying things that you dont believe yourself.

Which Scar still hurts, tell me ?
Fair point
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
#46
The question is, will Luffy beat Akainu in a 1on1? If Akainu is not the final fight, how does that work? Stop saying things that you dont believe yourself.
What's your counterargument? Without factoring in your personal tier lists, tell me how any other fight has more going for it than Luffy vs Akainu.

I think Sabo has a shot at taking over, and yet Sabo isn't even guaranteed to ever cross paths with Akainu like Luffy is.
 
#47
don't really see it as "EOS" if there will be two more main fights after Akainu.
Oda does. Remember him saying that the end of the series is just around the corner with the final panel of Wano.

mean, Akainu said he will finish "each and everyone", as a response to Sabo being hailed as the Flame Emperor.
So according to you "each and everyone" means Sabo now ?
It means whoever wants beef he won't back down and the Revos have already shown us their priorities.
 
#48
You deliberately keep lying about this to make the Navy side seem ridiculous, how many times have the Admiral fans told u that none of them believe Akainu is the Final villain ?
Why do you continue to pretend like anyone pushes that narrative?
This style is obnoxious, you see it used around a lot by these sweat lords just to justify going against whatever narrative makes them sleepless at night. What is sad about their endeavour is that even their damage control option doesn't refute Akainu dogwalking their fav
:kayneshrug:
 
#51
Always funny when people bring up Luffy saying ''Akainu'' in a single panel and act like it was a big deal but Luffy in the next panel is chomping meat and forgot all about it


So your evidence is that Luffy gave a fuck about Akainu for all of 2 seconds and then didn't even want to hear anything else about him?

Weak.

Also not to mention this was 10 years ago and Luffy has never even given a single hint that he wanted to go after Akainu and avenge his brother any more than he wanted to go after the celestial dragon he thought killed Sabo.

And if you actually want to use Jinbei's speech, he literally stated that it is blackbeard who Luffy has the score to settle with NOT akainu. Akainu even in your own example was relegated to the back of the line and Blackbeard was said to be his opponent.


Sabo is Akainu's opponent, and given that Luffy is currently far stronger than Akainu, at most he would be a Blueno fight with no significance.
 
#52
@Nidai_Kitetsu
Don't be dumb btw, powerlevels do matter. This is a battle shounen first and foremost. Problems aren't solved in One Piece by sitting down and discussing politics over a cup of tea. Luffy solves every problem by kicking ass.

Powerlevels is the single most important thing, the final villain has to be unique, he can't be someone who is simply among the top tiers. Aside from Imu, only BB can fill that criteria.
I understand but I can bet with you Oda cares more about plot. If plot says Akainu should be the final villain, powerlevel isn't gonna stop Oda. He can give Akainu AdCoC, or give us statements like magu magu's awakening can destroy the world or some shit.

What's your counterargument? Without factoring in your personal tier lists, tell me how any other fight has more going for it than Luffy vs Akainu.
I already told you fool, its Blackbeard. Do I have to list all the stuff thats going for BB now?
 
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ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
#53
It does matter but I can bet with you Oda cares more about plot. If plot says Akainu should be the final villain, powerlevel isn't gonna stop Oda. He can give Akainu AdCoC, or give us statements like magu magu's awakening can destroy the world or some shit.
The thing is it's all connected. Oda will make sure the one who is FV has the power and plot.

Now imo, plot is easier to tamper with, than power levels. It is much harder to justify Akainu being >> Primebeard, than it is to have him take over the World Government. Both are doable, but for BB the setup is already there.

I already told you fool, its Blackbeard. Do I have to list all the stuff thats going for BB now?
No I meant, against Akainu. Who has a better argument to fight Akainu than Luffy?
 
#54
Now imo, plot is easier to tamper with, than power levels. It is much harder to justify Akainu being >> Primebeard, than it is to have him take over the World Government.
You are looking at it from the wrong angle. Its easier to give Akainu AdCoC or create a narrative around magu magu than to make Akainu a D, connect him to void century/Imu, etc.

Who has a better argument to fight Akainu than Luffy?
Luffy has the best argument, but he cant fight everyone. He had a better argument to fight Big Mom at Wano than Kidd and Law.
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
#55
You are looking at it from the wrong angle. Its easier to give Akainu AdCoC or create a narrative around magu magu than to make Akainu a D, connect him to void century/Imu, etc.
Lmfao...advCoC isn't gonna do shit. That's a generic ability a lot of top tiers have. I agree if Akainu ends up having it he has an even better argument to be top 1 in the verse, but that still won't mean he clears Primebeard. FV needs to be strongest of all time by clear cut margin, or hax enough to be there. AdvCoC is playground stuff.

Luffy has the best argument, but he cant fight everyone. He had a better argument to fight Big Mom at Wano than Kidd and Law.
Yea but the difference is Big Mom is a filler villain, sad but true. Ask Oda. You know how many One Piece fans want to see Luffy pummel Akainu to death? It's like one of the most anticipated showdowns, Big Mom is a pitt stop nothing more.
 
#57
AdvCoC is playground stuff.
Cry more, Roger became PK only with AdCoC. Just because your favorites will never get CoC, you dont have to downplay it lmao

Yea but the difference is Big Mom is a filler villain, sad but true. Ask Oda. You know how many One Piece fans want to see Luffy pummel Akainu to death? It's like one of the most anticipated showdowns, Big Mom is a pitt stop nothing more.
You know how many Big Mom fans believed she will be back in the story to get beaten by Luffy? :kobeha: Ask Ndule or Steven if you don't believe me

Sabo beating Akainu would be like Ace version 2 coming back to life to beat Akainu :kayneshrug:
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
#58
You are looking at it from the wrong angle. Its easier to give Akainu AdCoC or create a narrative around magu magu than to make Akainu a D, connect him to void century/Imu, etc.
Just for clarification, I don't think Akainu has a better final villain argument over Blackbeard even if you ignore power levels.

What I'm saying is other characters can fill that Final Villain place BB takes up (Imu for example) therefore you can legit make the argument Luffy vs Blackbeard isn't more guaranteed than Luffy vs Akainu (ignoring BB's power potential). Not final villain status, but a fight at any point.

Regarding Akainu's connection to the endgame plot. Oda made Law a D well after his introduction, we hardly know anything about Akainu, molding the plot around an unexplored character would be easier than tampering with his power level given we know it took 10 days and extreme diff to beat Kuzan. Akainu has already been established as a peer to the top tiers today, even if he's the strongest of the bunch, he doesn't have the potential separation that Teach, who is growing, and has an unusual body (which makes him an anomaly), has.

Is it impossible? No not really, Oda can make Akainu take some hax ability (maybe something from Imu, or Bonney makes him younger etc. etc.), but it is still harder to do than give him the right connections as a character, given we know little about him.



Cry more, Roger became PK only with AdCoC. Just because your favorites will never get CoC, you dont have to downplay it lmao
Roger is a fodder in the final villain debate. That's not final villain status lmao. He's run of the mill, dude found the likes of Garp and Sengoku challenging, and could never defeat Primebeard.

He never stood head and shoulders above other top tiers, your scope is far too small.


You know how many Big Mom fans believed she will be back in the story to get beaten by Luffy? :kobeha: Ask Ndule or Steven if you don't believe me
LMAO who gives a shit about the 0.0000000000000000000001 % of Big Mom fans in the fandom. Every casual and their mother has wanted Luffy to beat the shit out of Akainu for ages, Oda obviously knows this, he did that on purpose. Only recently after the Kaidou fight has there been some pushback from power level junkies who can't stand the fact that Akainu will come after Kaidou, that has no impact on Oda.

Sabo beating Akainu would be like Ace version 2 coming back to life to beat Akainu :kayneshrug:
Sabo has an argument, but Luffy is the main character, and no antagonist in One Piece has traumatized and impacted Luffy more than Akainu. Akainu is the leading reason/figure of why Post timeskip even exists, he has changed Luffy's design forever, and he destroyed Luffy's will. Then you factor in that Luffy has stated he needs to take out Admirals and Yonkou to surpass Roger, well he already dealt with the Yonkou side, he has yet to deal with the strongest Marine.
 
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#59
Last we tried ZKK , didn’t happen because luffy is main character .
‘The luffy who is main character suffer from Akainu . Totally not luffy fight to one piece fanbase.

‘’It is funny double standard by one piece fanbase , they call you delusion for believing ZKK theory yet Sabo beat/kill Akainunis treated as fact by same people .

Sabo is less important than zoro yet fanbase argue Sabo will defeat Akainu when he give luffy the mental and pain damage the most. Yet when you say Zoro will defeat kaido in wano will make people angry .
 
#60
No bro you don’t understand bro MuH tIeR lIsT bro AdCoC bro please bro SABO OR DRAGON bro I beg of you bro

Akainu is legit the only character to ever make Luffy give up on his dream. Nothing else even needs to be said.

Sakazuki isn’t the final villain I don’t think but you’re on crack cocaine if you he and Luffy aren’t about to fight.

I’d perhaps be more accepting of someone else ultimately defeating Akainu if the other options people mention didn’t have zero reason to fight Akainu in Luffy’s stead. Dragon has already said he doesn’t want to fight the Marines but the Celestial Dragons. And the reasons people say Sabo will fight Akainu apply 100 times more to Luffy lol.

“Akainu made Sabo feel the pain of losing a brother,” it’s like these people are still blocking Ace dying in Luffy’s arms from memory due to their PTSD lol.
Preach. :cheers:
 
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