General & Others Next Straw Hat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet
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- Tags #c4ng2g carrot fans are still losers carrot haters are real losers seethe at the rabbit carrot is doing nothing because she doesn't matter carrot will never join the straw hats carrot's story never even began cry about carrot everyone else in the verse neg diffs the bunny imagine thinking stussy won't join its over furry bros keep the bunny on zou nobody else needs her let it go furry bros momo is breeding yamato no character is less relevant than carrot oden larper fans can't read stussy > carrot & yamato stussy supremacy who will be the next nakama of the week? yamato always had a better chance than carrot yamato story is over
Why am i having to paralel conversations about the same thing?
Yamato said she wanted to leave specifically with Luffy.
As for the other things, you can point out random plot threads that went nowhere, the point is that noone of them acrue interest or have as much importance as a new SH joining.
Baiting a Luffy vs BM is not the same as baiting a new SH
Yamato said she wanted to leave specifically with Luffy.
As for the other things, you can point out random plot threads that went nowhere, the point is that noone of them acrue interest or have as much importance as a new SH joining.
Baiting a Luffy vs BM is not the same as baiting a new SH
Not necessaraly. A character arc can be flat.
In Wano, yamato exhibited major sign of seeking freedom. But also a complete narrow mindset. Yamato only had in mind one thing: I can only seek freedom if I sail the seas. Which is a wrong mindset. So Yamato had to understand that freedom was something she could seek in other ways.
Yes it was. It was the best way to make us understand that she had to leave the sea and that was happening soon in her mind. Going to see alone would be good in term of writing, but aligning her strong will to go to sea and her obsession with Luffy was the best way to make her grow later narratively.
The arc being done, Yamato's character development is over.
In Wano, yamato exhibited major sign of seeking freedom. But also a complete narrow mindset. Yamato only had in mind one thing: I can only seek freedom if I sail the seas. Which is a wrong mindset. So Yamato had to understand that freedom was something she could seek in other ways.
Yes it was. It was the best way to make us understand that she had to leave the sea and that was happening soon in her mind. Going to see alone would be good in term of writing, but aligning her strong will to go to sea and her obsession with Luffy was the best way to make her grow later narratively.
The arc being done, Yamato's character development is over.
I mean that's possible i'm not sure which of these are stronger in her motivation: " going to sea like Oden" or "going to sea with the PK like Oden"
Either way it doesn't change the fact he chose to focus on her joining and repeated that concept, from a readers perspective it's a "bait", i still don't think the benefits of this "bait" outweights the negatives
Either way it doesn't change the fact he chose to focus on her joining and repeated that concept, from a readers perspective it's a "bait", i still don't think the benefits of this "bait" outweights the negatives
Yes it was. That was one of her major motivation just like being Oden was one.. but those motivation had only one goal: living free. Only because she suffered from being a prisonner.
You guys need to understand, that Yamato had an wrong placed obsession. That obsession combined a future with Luffy, her future as Oden and her future on the sea for one goal: seeking freedom.
What Oda did through Yamato was just subtly explain that there was other ways to freedom than just the sea.
Oden had the same obsessions and it lead him to lose his country. In that way. Yamato is humanly better than Oden because the choice of the country over the sea.
You guys need to understand, that Yamato had an wrong placed obsession. That obsession combined a future with Luffy, her future as Oden and her future on the sea for one goal: seeking freedom.
What Oda did through Yamato was just subtly explain that there was other ways to freedom than just the sea.
Oden had the same obsessions and it lead him to lose his country. In that way. Yamato is humanly better than Oden because the choice of the country over the sea.
It's the freedom to choose her own path.
She didn't choose the sea it because it was her path, but because it was Oden's and that choice narratively came is resonnance with the path choosen by her own father for her "being the guardian deity of Wano".
Through Yamato, Oda made a stance about the theme of parents choosing for their children and children choosing the path of their parent because of circounstances. Oda's message is clear: Don't follow blindly the path of your idole and your parent, choose your own path, even if it means doing the things your own way.
She didn't choose the sea it because it was her path, but because it was Oden's and that choice narratively came is resonnance with the path choosen by her own father for her "being the guardian deity of Wano".
Through Yamato, Oda made a stance about the theme of parents choosing for their children and children choosing the path of their parent because of circounstances. Oda's message is clear: Don't follow blindly the path of your idole and your parent, choose your own path, even if it means doing the things your own way.
You’re misremembering.
Yamato didn’t want to be Oden cause she was locked up, she was locked up because she was Oden. Oden was always her inspiration and motivation.
It wasn’t misplaced sense of freedom, her Oden obsession was literally her core.
Wnen she didn’t join, it was because she was going to follow the same path of Oden.
When she wanted to join, it was because she thought that’s what Oden would do
When she introduced herself to the crew, it as was Oden.
Her entire character is mimicking someone else’s. And that’s not a character.
Yamato didn’t want to be Oden cause she was locked up, she was locked up because she was Oden. Oden was always her inspiration and motivation.
It wasn’t misplaced sense of freedom, her Oden obsession was literally her core.
Wnen she didn’t join, it was because she was going to follow the same path of Oden.
When she wanted to join, it was because she thought that’s what Oden would do
When she introduced herself to the crew, it as was Oden.
Her entire character is mimicking someone else’s. And that’s not a character.
But Yamato didn't chose her path in the end, and she literally replaced her father.
Orochi was the shogun and Kaido was the guardian deity
Now Momo is the shogun and Yamato is the guardian deity.
And Kaido wanted Yamato to be Shogun but she ended up replacing him, so i'm afraid i'll disagree on all of that
Orochi was the shogun and Kaido was the guardian deity
Now Momo is the shogun and Yamato is the guardian deity.
And Kaido wanted Yamato to be Shogun but she ended up replacing him, so i'm afraid i'll disagree on all of that
I didn't say the opposite, I said that she choosed the sea because of Oden. It's different.
It was. It wasn't her own dream, it was the dream of her idole. it didn't came from her own wish.. in a sence, Yamato was stuck between two path of two parents.
Yes, but she understood that it was the best path.
hm no, she didn't say that.
Indeed and it doesn't negate what I said.
It is when the realization is not the same as her idol.
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No she didn't, she choosed her OWN way to deal with the circonstance. She didn't replaced her father or even choose the way of her father that's completely a missunderstanding of her character. She became the OPPOSITE of what her father wanted her to become.
Kaido wanted Yamato to be a fascist leader, she became instead a positive gardian.
The entire purpose of Yamato is that she became the OPPOSITE of her dad. A positive guardian deity.
It was. It wasn't her own dream, it was the dream of her idole. it didn't came from her own wish.. in a sence, Yamato was stuck between two path of two parents.
Yes, but she understood that it was the best path.
hm no, she didn't say that.
Indeed and it doesn't negate what I said.
It is when the realization is not the same as her idol.
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No she didn't, she choosed her OWN way to deal with the circonstance. She didn't replaced her father or even choose the way of her father that's completely a missunderstanding of her character. She became the OPPOSITE of what her father wanted her to become.
Kaido wanted Yamato to be a fascist leader, she became instead a positive gardian.
The entire purpose of Yamato is that she became the OPPOSITE of her dad. A positive guardian deity.
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Yamato didn't have a character. We all assumed that her development would involve shedding the Oden shit and becoming her own thing but she never did. She still clung to Oden's image which was very contradictory to some of Wano's main themes such as legacy and identity.
Those who accepted who they were and focused on the present and future got rewarded(Luffy and Momo, Robin etc). Those who clung to Oden's image and the past got fucked for it(Kaido, The Scabbards fighting Kaido, Orochi, WsW, Black Maria etc.)
Yamato herself was literally rejected by Luffy and Momo when she came at them as Oden, only getting their full attention when she addressed herself as Yamato.Guess pretending you're someone else instead of your person is what's good now 🤷
Those who accepted who they were and focused on the present and future got rewarded(Luffy and Momo, Robin etc). Those who clung to Oden's image and the past got fucked for it(Kaido, The Scabbards fighting Kaido, Orochi, WsW, Black Maria etc.)
Yamato herself was literally rejected by Luffy and Momo when she came at them as Oden, only getting their full attention when she addressed herself as Yamato.Guess pretending you're someone else instead of your person is what's good now 🤷