General & Others Next Straw Hat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet
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- Tags #c4ng2g carrot fans are still losers carrot haters are real losers seethe at the rabbit carrot is doing nothing because she doesn't matter carrot will never join the straw hats carrot's story never even began cry about carrot everyone else in the verse neg diffs the bunny imagine thinking stussy won't join its over furry bros keep the bunny on zou nobody else needs her let it go furry bros momo is breeding yamato no character is less relevant than carrot oden larper fans can't read stussy > carrot & yamato stussy supremacy who will be the next nakama of the week? yamato always had a better chance than carrot yamato story is over
The only people I unironically feel are worth having discussions on at this point are;
Vivi: Already considered to be part of the crew as far as the Straw Hats are concerned. Question is more so on whether she will travel with them again or not. I certainly think it’s plausible considering she’s a fugitive of the WG. But she would only travel with them until it’s safe for her to return to Alabasta.
Yamato: Was given an invitation to join by Luffy at the end of Wano but decided to stay for now to help protect it. People have argued that her circumstances could be a Jinbe 2.0 situation. I can certainly see it happening since her dream was to travel the seas but Oda could make it happen without necessarily having her joining the SHs.
Momonosuke: Was also given an open invitation to join by Luffy at the end of Wano but had to stay because he has a country to run. It’s possible he could go through a Vivi-like situation where he has to flee the country again for his own safety due to some plot surrounding Pluton. Obviously he would only travel with the SHs until it’s safe for him to return to Wano.
Kin’emon: Like Yamato and Momo, he was given an open invitation to join by Luffy at the end of Wano but decided to stay with his wife and protect Wano. I think he’s the least likely to join since I don’t see much narrative sense for him to leave his wife again and travel with the SHs unless it’s with Momo.
Vivi: Already considered to be part of the crew as far as the Straw Hats are concerned. Question is more so on whether she will travel with them again or not. I certainly think it’s plausible considering she’s a fugitive of the WG. But she would only travel with them until it’s safe for her to return to Alabasta.
Yamato: Was given an invitation to join by Luffy at the end of Wano but decided to stay for now to help protect it. People have argued that her circumstances could be a Jinbe 2.0 situation. I can certainly see it happening since her dream was to travel the seas but Oda could make it happen without necessarily having her joining the SHs.
Momonosuke: Was also given an open invitation to join by Luffy at the end of Wano but had to stay because he has a country to run. It’s possible he could go through a Vivi-like situation where he has to flee the country again for his own safety due to some plot surrounding Pluton. Obviously he would only travel with the SHs until it’s safe for him to return to Wano.
Kin’emon: Like Yamato and Momo, he was given an open invitation to join by Luffy at the end of Wano but decided to stay with his wife and protect Wano. I think he’s the least likely to join since I don’t see much narrative sense for him to leave his wife again and travel with the SHs unless it’s with Momo.
There are a few people, including me, who ran the Kuma for nakama train for a while, but I gave up after Vegapunk said his dream is complete. I think @Naomi and @Paperchampion23 are still pulling for him though.
Agreed except for Momo and Kinemon. I think they're too tied to their duties to really consider.
Agreed except for Momo and Kinemon. I think they're too tied to their duties to really consider.
I really only added them because they both have open invitations to join which immediately puts them above everyone else besides Yamato and Vivi. But yeah, their cases are definitely the weakest of the 4.
I also find it interesting that Yamato‘s situation is pretty much the opposite of the other 3. If her country is safe then Yamato would leave for the sea while Vivi, Momo, and Kin’emon would all do the exact opposite.
I also find it interesting that Yamato‘s situation is pretty much the opposite of the other 3. If her country is safe then Yamato would leave for the sea while Vivi, Momo, and Kin’emon would all do the exact opposite.
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i do not think one's dream can be just completed just because one person told him what he means to some people (specifically Bonney).
Kuma's long term desire has been brought up a total of three times by himself and Saturn (the chapter after 1102 no less).
you might as well think that Usopp's dream can be completed just as easy by having someone call him brave or warrior.
one thing i don't think is mention anywhere i've been is that Kuma wanted to be like Nika (the warrior of liberation and bringer of smiles), yet his reputation as a "tyrant" inspire nothing but fear and cruelty
Kuma's long term desire has been brought up a total of three times by himself and Saturn (the chapter after 1102 no less).
you might as well think that Usopp's dream can be completed just as easy by having someone call him brave or warrior.
one thing i don't think is mention anywhere i've been is that Kuma wanted to be like Nika (the warrior of liberation and bringer of smiles), yet his reputation as a "tyrant" inspire nothing but fear and cruelty
i don't know what translation you read, but vega punk never said kuma dream is complete.
kuma wanted to help everyone, and mostly be with his daughter/growing up etc.
as shown his will shown through when he saved bonney from saturn, showing kuma not given up, and love his daughter.
all sh have stated they owe kuma, they are getting to meet luffy and luffy refer to kuma and bonney by first name. also this arc is not to many side characters, and focus mostly on luffy and sh with kuma and bonney, and vega punk.
it reminds me of previous arc of future sh joining. where other areas where to much side characters and less focus on sh. where the one that joined had less side character and focus on future sh story/flashback etc
kuma wanted to help everyone, and mostly be with his daughter/growing up etc.
as shown his will shown through when he saved bonney from saturn, showing kuma not given up, and love his daughter.
all sh have stated they owe kuma, they are getting to meet luffy and luffy refer to kuma and bonney by first name. also this arc is not to many side characters, and focus mostly on luffy and sh with kuma and bonney, and vega punk.
it reminds me of previous arc of future sh joining. where other areas where to much side characters and less focus on sh. where the one that joined had less side character and focus on future sh story/flashback etc
can you show which panel it was? because i read and did not see that.
kuma been heavy focus this arc, and build up over the years, as oda never forgot about him. less side character this arc and only kuma focus imply strong hint he joining, beside oda having kuma father mention nika will save him and take him to sea.
kuma been heavy focus this arc, and build up over the years, as oda never forgot about him. less side character this arc and only kuma focus imply strong hint he joining, beside oda having kuma father mention nika will save him and take him to sea.
This panel is the death nail to Kuma imo. His dream was to be a hero like Nika, and this really seems like confirmation that that dream has been acomplished.
imo this does not spell the end, because in kuma moment here before his mind was wiped, he was running, still running...
see last panel of kuma running(empty background as his memory wiped) while his soul still running....he never given up.
he did same run, when confronted akainu, before heading for bonney.
once arrived on egg head, kuma was still still running, he was running in bonney direction, the same run. so he not gone.
also he honored his father by remembering nika and his father words to never give into death. as seen by kuma body still moving on it's own when everyone one thought he is dead. So he is fighting death! not give in, as his father told him.
It is a little much, since there are so many hints towards Lucci being the last crew member. But I have summarized my points in an answer to Useless_kid before. So, I will give you the link to that: Answer to Useless_kidd
What I can now add, is the following:
The fight between Zoro and Lucci is not even focussed on. This is odd, since Oda likes both characters - Zoro and Lucci - and would not sacrafice a character he likes for a battle to stall Zoro, as this would be a waste for that character. Lucci is not Zoro's end-fight of Egghead (Remember, there are 9 VAs and 9 SHPs).
And then we have the current situation, in which Oda raises the tension on Egghead even after the matter with Bonney and Kuma has now been resolved. This means that Oda is still preparing for some sort of peak in a few chapters. This means that Oda is sill hiding something - and this something is that Lucci is connected to Vegapunk/Shaka and not anymore working for the WG.
A last little thought: Oda wrote in his Festa-letter for 2023 that we will see a surprising fight between "[...] that person and that person [...]". Since chapter 1108 was the last chapter scheduled for 2023, that means this fight must start either before or within this chapter. And last month, in his Festa-letter for 2024, he again announced that this fight will happen soon - meaning, it hasn't happened, yet. Kuma's fight against Saturn wasn't that surprising, since many users here in the forum already thought that he would head to Egghead.
I think the surprising fight between "[...] that person and that person [...]" will happen between Kizaru and Lucci, since no one realizes that Lucci is on the SHP's/Vegapunk's side.
What I can now add, is the following:
The fight between Zoro and Lucci is not even focussed on. This is odd, since Oda likes both characters - Zoro and Lucci - and would not sacrafice a character he likes for a battle to stall Zoro, as this would be a waste for that character. Lucci is not Zoro's end-fight of Egghead (Remember, there are 9 VAs and 9 SHPs).
And then we have the current situation, in which Oda raises the tension on Egghead even after the matter with Bonney and Kuma has now been resolved. This means that Oda is still preparing for some sort of peak in a few chapters. This means that Oda is sill hiding something - and this something is that Lucci is connected to Vegapunk/Shaka and not anymore working for the WG.
A last little thought: Oda wrote in his Festa-letter for 2023 that we will see a surprising fight between "[...] that person and that person [...]". Since chapter 1108 was the last chapter scheduled for 2023, that means this fight must start either before or within this chapter. And last month, in his Festa-letter for 2024, he again announced that this fight will happen soon - meaning, it hasn't happened, yet. Kuma's fight against Saturn wasn't that surprising, since many users here in the forum already thought that he would head to Egghead.
I think the surprising fight between "[...] that person and that person [...]" will happen between Kizaru and Lucci, since no one realizes that Lucci is on the SHP's/Vegapunk's side.
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It’s because she did what’s right and appropriate this time which Oden clearly didn’t during his time. She’s doing the right thing. In time, I believe she will join the SHs. Her status now is same with Jimbei’s before. We never know, she might be part of that group that went to Egghead and attacked the marines. Hahaha
Vivi Yamato Bonney all joining at once Hahaha
It’s because she did what’s right and appropriate this time which Oden clearly didn’t during his time. She’s doing the right thing. In time, I believe she will join the SHs. Her status now is same with Jimbei’s before. We never know, she might be part of that group that went to Egghead and attacked the marines. Hahaha
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Vivi Yamato Bonney all joining at once Hahaha
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I could see Momo going if his destiny he mentioned in Oden's Journal involves him doing things outside of Wano. Hiyori is really smart and respected, with Kinemon and Denjiro helping her she'd do a great job runnign Wano.
I'm low on Kuma now, but there's still a chance with him.
Momo's a weird character, but Oda's put so much into him, that I think he'll be pretty revelant going forward. At the least as a major ally.
I'm low on Kuma now, but there's still a chance with him.
Momo's a weird character, but Oda's put so much into him, that I think he'll be pretty revelant going forward. At the least as a major ally.