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I suggest you read that post, maybe you will understand:
Nop only 7/10. Careful, Hiyori never said that she was gonna kill Orochi, she said she "wanted" to have the kill. So this is close to a subversion dialogue but not quite one.
But it's not your fault, it's mine. And you just made me realize that I was missing something in my explanation. So I will change something: From "subversion dialogue" I will now be talking about..
"Subversive affirmation"
Indeed, for a subversion to happen, there must be something "set", something "stated" or "affirmed" that "will happen"
I will give you two new examples of "subversive affirmation" in One Piece:
Remember: A "subversive affirmation" must contain an affirmation, and can only be uncovered by a corruption of the premisse/affirmation.
In this first image, Bege is affirming that Mama will die because she will be weakened by Mother Caramel's portrait destruction.
But there is a corruption of that premisse/affirmation. Indeed, Bege forgot to take into account that Mama is a emperor, and because of that has multiple powers to her arsenal, one of them being a Kings Haki so strong that it can destroy everything around her.
This affirmation is therefore a "Subversive affirmation". Mama will not die, but not only that but the attempt will fail greatly.
In this second image Krieg is affirming that he is invulnerable.
But there is a corruption of that premisse/affirmation. Indeed, Krieg is not taking all the clue into account in front of him : A. Luffy is feerless, B. Luffy is whiling to hurt himself to win.
That little affirmation is therefore a "Subversive affirmation". It will be instantly denied, Luffy will punch Krieg and prove him that he is not invulnerable despite his assets.
I hope you guys now better understand what a subversive affirmation really is.
But it's not your fault, it's mine. And you just made me realize that I was missing something in my explanation. So I will change something: From "subversion dialogue" I will now be talking about..
"Subversive affirmation"
Indeed, for a subversion to happen, there must be something "set", something "stated" or "affirmed" that "will happen"
I will give you two new examples of "subversive affirmation" in One Piece:
Remember: A "subversive affirmation" must contain an affirmation, and can only be uncovered by a corruption of the premisse/affirmation.
In this first image, Bege is affirming that Mama will die because she will be weakened by Mother Caramel's portrait destruction.
But there is a corruption of that premisse/affirmation. Indeed, Bege forgot to take into account that Mama is a emperor, and because of that has multiple powers to her arsenal, one of them being a Kings Haki so strong that it can destroy everything around her.
This affirmation is therefore a "Subversive affirmation". Mama will not die, but not only that but the attempt will fail greatly.
In this second image Krieg is affirming that he is invulnerable.
But there is a corruption of that premisse/affirmation. Indeed, Krieg is not taking all the clue into account in front of him : A. Luffy is feerless, B. Luffy is whiling to hurt himself to win.
That little affirmation is therefore a "Subversive affirmation". It will be instantly denied, Luffy will punch Krieg and prove him that he is not invulnerable despite his assets.
I hope you guys now better understand what a subversive affirmation really is.
Yup. I conceptualized it.
Sadly their is no trace of this principle in the known theory of writing (at least not in my knowledge and mainly/surely because writers don't really need to know what that notion is to apply it as it is pretty much instinctive) so it's therefore difficult for me to be trusted allthemore by people who already have a bias against me lmao
A little bit of trust would make things much easier.
Sadly their is no trace of this principle in the known theory of writing (at least not in my knowledge and mainly/surely because writers don't really need to know what that notion is to apply it as it is pretty much instinctive) so it's therefore difficult for me to be trusted allthemore by people who already have a bias against me lmao
A little bit of trust would make things much easier.
Nop only 7/10. Careful, Hiyori never said that she was gonna kill Orochi, she said she "wanted" to have the kill. So this is close to a subversion dialogue but not quite one.
But it's not your fault, it's mine. And you just made me realize that I was missing something in my explanation. So I will change something: From "subversion dialogue" I will now be talking about..
"Subversive affirmation"
Indeed, for a subversion to happen, there must be something "set", something "stated" or "affirmed" that "will happen"
I will give you two new examples of "subversive affirmation" in One Piece:
Remember: A "subversive affirmation" must contain an affirmation, and can only be uncovered by a corruption of the premisse/affirmation.
In this first image, Bege is affirming that Mama will die because she will be weakened by Mother Caramel's portrait destruction.
But there is a corruption of that premisse/affirmation. Indeed, Bege forgot to take into account that Mama is a emperor, and because of that has multiple powers to her arsenal, one of them being a Kings Haki so strong that it can destroy everything around her.
This affirmation is therefore a "Subversive affirmation". Mama will not die, but not only that but the attempt will fail greatly.
In this second image Krieg is affirming that he is invulnerable.
But there is a corruption of that premisse/affirmation. Indeed, Krieg is not taking all the clue into account in front of him : A. Luffy is feerless, B. Luffy is whiling to hurt himself to win.
That little affirmation is therefore a "Subversive affirmation". It will be instantly denied, Luffy will punch Krieg and prove him that he is not invulnerable despite his assets.
I hope you guys now better understand what a subversive affirmation really is.
But it's not your fault, it's mine. And you just made me realize that I was missing something in my explanation. So I will change something: From "subversion dialogue" I will now be talking about..
"Subversive affirmation"
Indeed, for a subversion to happen, there must be something "set", something "stated" or "affirmed" that "will happen"
I will give you two new examples of "subversive affirmation" in One Piece:
Remember: A "subversive affirmation" must contain an affirmation, and can only be uncovered by a corruption of the premisse/affirmation.
In this first image, Bege is affirming that Mama will die because she will be weakened by Mother Caramel's portrait destruction.
But there is a corruption of that premisse/affirmation. Indeed, Bege forgot to take into account that Mama is a emperor, and because of that has multiple powers to her arsenal, one of them being a Kings Haki so strong that it can destroy everything around her.
This affirmation is therefore a "Subversive affirmation". Mama will not die, but not only that but the attempt will fail greatly.
In this second image Krieg is affirming that he is invulnerable.
But there is a corruption of that premisse/affirmation. Indeed, Krieg is not taking all the clue into account in front of him : A. Luffy is feerless, B. Luffy is whiling to hurt himself to win.
That little affirmation is therefore a "Subversive affirmation". It will be instantly denied, Luffy will punch Krieg and prove him that he is not invulnerable despite his assets.
I hope you guys now better understand what a subversive affirmation really is.
We fought til the end. That's more than enough. You must rest.
WE CAN DIE TOGETHER, MASTER. I KNOW WAYS. JUST PLEASE STOP IT. WE'LL KILL OURSELVES AND ASCEND WITH OUR LORD THE CARROT. WE'LL BE TOGETHER. LETS END THIS. LETS TRASCEND. I AM HERE FOR YOU. THIS IS NOTHING SATANIC I SWEAR. OUR CULT WILL PREVAIL. BUT LETS DIE TOGETHER
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