General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet

[rubblerust]

Yikes

I don't know how to explain it any better. You're asking to get clowned my dude, and none of us are gonna defend you if the dumbster crew picks on you for this one.

Edited to be less of a douchenozzle

Well "you're going to get clowned" is not an argument either.

I disagree with AL and think there's no point in arguing either. Anything in a story can be taken to be foreshadowing its exact opposite. It's a matter of personal judgment and not something you can reason with.

I can't be sure, but I think there's a reasonable chance Oda does react to fan sentiment if he thinks his readers are misunderstanding the story.

Anyway no point in continuing this.

 

[Sigran101]

Well "you're going to get clowned" is not an argument either.

I disagree with AL and think there's no point in arguing either. Anything in a story can be taken to be foreshadowing its exact opposite. It's a matter of personal judgment and not something you can reason with.

I can't be sure, but I think there's a reasonable chance Oda does react to fan sentiment if he thinks his readers are misunderstanding it.

Anyway no point in continuing this.

Oh, no I agree with that. It's a personal judgement thing, and I call it the same way you do. I was just objecting to the subversive afirmation comparison.

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

how so??

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my point was that yamato might think momo needs more help and stay behind cause of the incident and shanks giving them a helping hand

Again if so Luffy might question why Yamato would sacrifice her dream and her 20 years of imprisonment all of a sudden, while Luffy Zoro Sanji Jinbe have seen what Momo is capable of. Momo is now pretty much Kaido himself, with less experience. Even with less experience he can finally manifest Boro Breath. If Yamato suddenly has a change of heart, Luffy and others will just like: “What are you talking about? Momo has proven himself. Wano is a strong country, they can fend for themselves. We don’t care, just come with us.”

And if it happens it’s like Robin’s case where she’s been looking for Poneglyphs for 20 years only for the Alabasta’s Poneglyph was not Rio Poneglyph and Robin chose to die and abandon her dream; and Luffy doesn’t care. Yamato doesn’t have any obligations to stay, unlike Vivi who was the princess of Alabasta

 

[AL sama]

I disagree with AL and think there's no point in arguing either. Anything in a story can be taken to be foreshadowing its exact opposite. It's a matter of personal judgment and not something you can reason with.

yes but have you seen my reasoning behind saying so??

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Again if so Luffy might question why Yamato would sacrifice her dream and her 20 years of imprisonment all of a sudden, while Luffy Zoro Sanji Jinbe have seen what Momo is capable of. Momo is now pretty much Kaido himself, with less experience. Even with less experience he can finally manifest Boro Breath. If Yamato suddenly has a change of heart, Luffy and others will just like: “What are you talking about? Momo has proven himself. Wano is a strong country, they can fend for themselves. We don’t care, just come with us.”

And if it happens it’s like Robin’s case where she’s been looking for Poneglyphs for 20 years only for the Alabasta’s Poneglyph was not Rio Poneglyph and Robin chose to die and abandon her dream; and Luffy doesn’t care. Yamato doesn’t have any obligations to stay, unlike Vivi who was the princess of Alabasta

yeah but does she have a dream yet??

 

[rubblerust]

yes but have you seen my reasoning behind saying so??

Your "reasoning" suggests that all the build up to Yamato's story is going to be thrown out of the window and replaced by its total opposite. All the times she has stated her intentions, all the flashbacks to her childhood and friendship with Ace, her repeated assertions while fighting Kaido, her appeals to Luffy and the SH crew, all of it is going to be suddenly replaced by a last-minute change of heart, and she is suddenly going to do the exact opposite of all of it.

Is it possible? Anything is possible in fiction. Is it likely enough to be worth considering? This is a matter of personal judgment and not something I can argue against.

 

[Sigran101]

Your "reasoning" suggests that all the build up to Yamato's story is going to be thrown out of the window and replaced by its total opposite. All the times she has stated her intentions, all the flashbacks to her childhood and friendship with Ace, her repeated assertions while fighting Kaido, her appeals to Luffy and the SH crew, all of it is going to be suddenly replaced by a last-minute change of heart, and she is suddenly going to do the exact opposite of all of it.

Is it possible? Anything is possible in fiction. Is it likely enough to be worth considering? This is a matter of personal judgment and not something I can argue against.

He never said any of that man. He just said he gets this one Argument.

 

[AL sama]

Your "reasoning" suggests that all the build up to Yamato's story is going to be thrown out of the window and replaced by its total opposite. All the times she has stated her intentions, all the flashbacks to her childhood and friendship with Ace, her repeated assertions while fighting Kaido, her appeals to Luffy and the SH crew, all of it is going to be suddenly replaced by a last-minute change of heart, and she is suddenly going to do the exact opposite of all of it.

Is it possible? Anything is possible in fiction. Is it likely enough to be worth considering? This is a matter of personal judgment and not something I can argue against.

I myself don't think it'll happen I just said it lowered her chances a bit

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

yeah but does she have a dream yet??

You don’t think it’s enough as a dream?

 

[AL sama]

You don’t think it’s enough as a dream?

its enough but it can be argued that she didn't specify it as her dream

 

[rubblerust]

I myself don't think it'll happen I just said it lowered her chances a bit

So on the one hand you have Momo's entire ordeal with Greenbull, his refusing Yamato's help, and directly telling her that she is free to leave. On the other hand you have the possibility of Yamato having a last-minute change of heart because she suddenly sees a need for her to stay.

You are saying that the direct event, Momo directly telling her she must go, does not increase the likelihood of her leaving as much as the possibility of Yamato having a last minute change of heart decreases it.

I'm saying your claim to be able to accurately measure the change in probabilities for such an unlikely event in this case is an entirely subjective matter of judgment that I can't argue against.

 

[Dovahkiin]

Yamato having Saori Hayami as her VA to not join the main cast(SH) would be such a waste she voices some of the best anime girls..
not included on the list Ameri from Mairimashita! Iruma-Kun and anime community latest waifu Yor Forger from Spy X Family

 

[AL sama]

So on the one hand you have Momo's entire ordeal with Greenbull, his refusing Yamato's help, and directly telling her that she is free to leave. On the other hand you have the possibility of Yamato having a last-minute change of heart because she suddenly sees a need for her to stay.

You are saying that the direct event, Momo directly telling her she must go, does not increase the likelihood of her leaving as much as the possibility of Yamato having a last minute change of heart decreases it.

I'm saying your claim to be able to accurately measure the change in probabilities for such an unlikely event in this case is an entirely subjective matter of judgment that I can't argue against.

fair cause I m telling you to agree with me rather I m just giving my opinion

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

its enough but it can be argued that she didn't specify it as her dream

With that logic then East Blue SH don’t have any dream since they don’t specify theirs as “my dream is…” but with “I want to…”

 

[AL sama]

With that logic then East Blue SH don’t have any dream since they don’t specify theirs as “my dream is…” but with “I want to…”

they were specifically talking about their dreams no??

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

they were specifically talking about their dreams no??

Well since you said that Yamato’s can be argued that she doesn’t specify anything about “dream”, then what they say aren’t their “dreams” either, right?

 

[AL sama]

Well since you said that Yamato’s can be argued that she doesn’t specify anything about “dream”, then what they say aren’t their “dreams” either, right?

in yamtato's case it can be argued that she was talking her desire

just to be clear I m not saying its not her dream rather I m saying it can be argued against

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

in yamtato's case it can be argued that she was talking her desire

just to be clear I m not saying its not her dream rather I m saying it can be argued against

Desire or dream, they don’t matter. Luffy has always said “海賊王におれはなる！” which everybody knows literally means “I’m going to be the Pirate King!”

Is it a desire? Yes
Is it a dream? Yes

so if those work for Luffy then those work for everybody else including Yamato

 

[rubblerust]

"it can be argued" is a weasel phrase. Either give an argument or don't make the claim.

 

[VisualKei]

New grand fleet incoming

 

[AL sama]

Desire or dream, they don’t matter. Luffy has always said “海賊王におれはなる！” which everybody knows literally means “I’m going to be the Pirate King!”

Is it a desire? Yes
Is it a dream? Yes

so if those work for Luffy then those work for everybody else including Yamato

luffy and roger's dreams are still kept hidden from us

"it can be argued" is a weasel phrase. Either give an argument or don't make the claim.

you misunderstood me cause I m giving you the argument but at the same time I m saying I don't support it