General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet

[Jew D. Boy]

Very funny how inherited will only justifies Carrot joining the crew and not Yamato, despite the latter being inspired by much more seminal characters in Ace or Oden and not picking up extant hope from someone of lesser importance like Pedro. Carrot has NEVER said she wants to join the SHP specifically (even her mentor asked to join Roger directly instead of just wishing to go to sea), she’d be fine adventuring and carrying Pedro’s will in support of Luffy rather than directly travel with him. Yamato has been explicitly waiting for Luffy since meeting Ace four years ago; Carrot snuck onto the ship on a whim without being asked roughly, what, three or four weeks ago in the canon? Yeah, sounds like a dream she’s carried for a long time 🙄

 

[Garp the Fist]

I don't see how that's similar to Chopper. It's one straight up powerup rather than 7 different forms with different strengths and a completely different powerset than anything Chopper has. Show me the form where Chopper floats around and uses electricity and claws and I'll concede that they're too similar.

It’s not about what the form does, but the aesthetic. Rumble Ball is Chopper’s thing. No one else in the crew (or indeed the series) uses it. It’s unique to him.

So, for Chopper’s little sister figure, with the same design of animal/human hybrid, to use the same invention, for the exact same purpose of going into a super mode, is far, far too similar to Chopper and takes away from what is unique to him.

It would be like Reiju joining the crew and there being two RS users.

Don't blame me for your projections. I never said anything of the sort. I stated his relevance, his words and then sectioned it off and provided my own thoughts on the topic.
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As for the Carrot ponegliff hunter idea that's still being pushed, @Garp the Fist you're cherrypicking the convenient bit that you think hurts Carrot's chances, whilst ignoring the bigger picture that it's a part of.

Pedro isn't interested in the ponegliffs themselves. He only wants them because he thinks they can be of use for his greater ambition which is the realisation of the dawn. The ponegliffs are simply a means to this end. Pedro's real dream was the dawn...NOT to find ponegliffs.

When characters inherit the will of others, they take up their predecessor's dream and carry it on, if not go above and beyond that.

Hiriluk's dream was to save Drum Kingdom and heal the country. --->Chopper travels around the whole world and cures everything, not just Drum.

Tom built a ship that could travel the world ---> Franky built the sunny AND is travelling on it around the world

It's about picking up where they left off. That doesn't mean restricting themselves to literally doing exactly what their predecessors did. Pedro didn't want to collect ponegliffs. That was a lesser substitute for what he really wanted to do. You know what that was?

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It wasn't Pedro's time. He was too young and so he had to work on standby. That's all that his ponegliff hunt was. That's all that the nox pirates were. A standby until the dawn. Nox literally means "the moment before dawn".

If Carrot's inheriting Pedro's will like you (knowingly or not) acknowledged, then that means she's inheriting his will for the dawn...Not ponegliffs. Pedro wanted to ride on the PK's ship and bring about the dawn, but his role was in setting it up. It's therefore the role of his successor, Carrot to carry on and fulfil his will for dawn in Pedro's stead. Ride on the PK's ship like Pedro longed to do, but couldn't. Bring in and experience the dawn that Pedro longed for, but realised his role was in helping to set up.

Carrot has already gone beyond Pedro by actually helping the Strawhats when he couldn‘t help Roger or Oden. And she’s going to help open Wano’s borders, plus be involved in the EoS fight with the rest of the world.

A poneglyph hunt would be good for Carrot because it would at least keep her slightly relevant after Wano. The reality is, even that isn‘t necessary. Simply helping the Strawhats flee WCI and being involved in the fight to open Wano‘s borders is enough to fulfil Pedro’s dream.

 

[ExcaliburLazar]

P.S. Am I being toxic(carrot fans)?

It would be better if she was going into a meat grinder. Lmao

 

[Sigran101]

So then we’re gonna have 2 animals on the crew with similar personalities who both also use rumble balls.
Nah, then they’re gonna be way too similar to each other.

Well I didn't mean a literal rumble ball. I said a rumble ball type solution. It could just as easily be Ussop or Franky that makes it, I just went with Chopper since he's the one who's close with Carrot. I'm not sure where you're seeing a similar personality there. They are very different people.

Very funny how inherited will only justifies Carrot joining the crew and not Yamato, despite the latter being inspired by much more seminal characters in Ace or Oden and not picking up extant hope from someone of lesser importance like Pedro. Carrot has NEVER said she wants to join the SHP specifically (even her mentor asked to join Roger directly instead of just wishing to go to sea), she’d be fine adventuring and carrying Pedro’s will in support of Luffy rather than directly travel with him. Yamato has been explicitly waiting for Luffy since meeting Ace four years ago; Carrot snuck onto the ship on a whim without being asked roughly, what, three or four weeks ago in the canon? Yeah, sounds like a dream she’s carried for a long time 🙄

The inherited will definitely works for both of them, probably more so for Yamato. Hopefully that means they'll both join! Though to be fair, most of the Strawhats' inherited wills are from people even less important than Pedro, so although Oden's importance is a point in Yamato's favor, Pedro's lack thereof is not really a point against Carrot.

It’s not about what the form does, but the aesthetic. Rumble Ball is Chopper’s thing. No one else in the crew (or indeed the series) uses it. It’s unique to him.

So, for Chopper’s little sister figure, with the same design of animal/human hybrid, to use the same invention, for the exact same purpose of going into a super mode, is far, far too similar to Chopper and takes away from what is unique to him.

It would be like Reiju joining the crew and there being two RS users.


Carrot has already gone beyond Pedro by actually helping the Strawhats when he couldn‘t help Roger or Oden. And she’s going to help open Wano’s borders, plus be involved in the EoS fight with the rest of the world.

A poneglyph hunt would be good for Carrot because it would at least keep her slightly relevant after Wano. The reality is, even that isn‘t necessary. Simply helping the Strawhats flee WCI and being involved in the fight to open Wano‘s borders is enough to fulfil Pedro’s dream.

Reiju joining with a raid suit would be a copy paste of Sanji. Carrot joining and using some kind of invention to transform would not be the same thing at all because her abilities in Su Long form couldn't be more different from Chopper's skill set. It's just a similar method of achieving transformation. Yamato would be about the same degree of similarity as Carrot with her Zoan fruit. Heck, Brook and Zoro have significantly more similar abilities than Carrot and Chopper.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

The inherited will definitely works for both of them, probably more so for Yamato. Hopefully that means they'll both join! Though to be fair, most of the Strawhats' inherited wills are from people even less important than Pedro, so although Oden's importance is a point in Yamato's favor, Pedro's lack thereof is not really a point against Carrot.

The importance of who gives a potential nakama their hopes and dreams is in itself not the most important part of what I was saying, but there are definitely people in this thread ignoring Ace and Oden’s significance in the story when it comes to Yamato’s inspiration. It’s not a coincidence that she has a connection to both the main character’s brother and one of the most famous Wano citizens in history, that means as much (and realistically more) than Carrot’s mentor living vicariously through her. Yes, Pedro wanted to see the dawn and play some part in bringing it about; does that really supersede the wishes of the Pirate King’s son or the guy who helped the same man learn more about said dawn than anyone else in the last eight centuries??

 

[Sigran101]

The importance of who gives a potential nakama their hopes and dreams is in itself not the most important part of what I was saying, but there are definitely people in this thread ignoring Ace and Oden’s significance in the story when it comes to Yamato’s inspiration. It’s not a coincidence that she has a connection to both the main character’s brother and one of the most famous Wano citizens in history, that means as much (and realistically more) than Carrot’s mentor living vicariously through her. Yes, Pedro wanted to see the dawn and play some part in bringing it about; does that really supersede the wishes of the Pirate King’s son or the guy who helped the same man learn more about said dawn than anyone else in the last eight centuries??

Yeah, I definitely agree there. People are like "so anyone who knew Ace automatically gets to join the crew?"
It's just willful ignorance.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Yeah, I definitely agree there. People are like "so anyone who knew Ace automatically gets to join the crew?"
It's just willful ignorance.

This would be the first confirmed case of that, right? None of the nakama who were present in Alabasta recognized him, and other than Jinbe (whose character contains many other facets that have been emphasized more than knowing Ace), none of the ones who joined after have said anything about it being part of why they wanna join the crew. Also, we both know that her friendship with Ace is not the driving factor behind her dream, it’s just salient to what we’ve been told about her so far. Also also, why is it a bad thing for someone who got along with the main character’s beloved and dearly departed brother to join the former’s crew in part because of their mutual association? Don’t we all try to befriend people who have a connection with one or more of our family members?

 

[Garp the Fist]

Knowing Ace- and him talking to her about Luffy- is one of the greatest things in Yamato’s favour, because it means she shares the unifying experience all the Strawhats have of Ace’s death and it’s effect on Luffy.

 

[Staticshadic]

Knowing Ace- and him talking to her about Luffy- is one of the greatest things in Yamato’s favour, because it means she shares the unifying experience all the Strawhats have of Ace’s death and it’s effect on Luffy.

True, plus Yamato has more emphasis on her flashback with her relationship with Ace. Which does lead to the possibility we could get flashback before, she met him and after he left keeping up with luffy progress in the story leading the present day.

 

[Visa]

Carrot has already gone beyond Pedro by actually helping the Strawhats when he couldn‘t help Roger or Oden. And she’s going to help open Wano’s borders, plus be involved in the EoS fight with the rest of the world.

A poneglyph hunt would be good for Carrot because it would at least keep her slightly relevant after Wano. The reality is, even that isn‘t necessary. Simply helping the Strawhats flee WCI and being involved in the fight to open Wano‘s borders is enough to fulfil Pedro’s dream.

There's a fundamental misunderstanding you're having here in relation of the Dawn that the story already showed us. Pedro had made it clear when traversing to Whole Cake that Luffy had to think beyond beating the Emperors. He told him that Luffy needs to think what will happen after he beats Kaido since by that point Pedro already connected the dots that since the Dukes brought Luffy to the Whale Tree, he would be the one to bring forward the Dawn. From the Oden flashback, we know there's a Road Poneglyph somewhere in Wano, meaning that taking the Road Poneglyph now was their best chance to progress the prophecy that their tribe and the Kozuki Clan have been rearing towards.

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We know what he said is true because the flashback involving Oden showed him retrieving prints of the Road Poneglyphs as well as deciphering them (you know, what Robin is doing) and using them to plot to Raftel/Laugh Tale, the "Final Island." Long after they had departed, Roger had reflected about their journey in Fishman and commented that they had come too early.

Now Luffy's here, the next coming of Joy Boy, finally here to fulfil their prophecy as foretold. Basically, the time has come already and providing Luffy the means to reach Raftel/Laugh Tale is what will help bring forth the Dawn. And remembering that Pedro wanted to join Oden and Roger on their journey, who by that point were still collecting Road Poneglyph prints prior to reaching Laugh Tale, more than likely means that fulfilling the Dawn is part of the journey.

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It's unknown what the future post-arc entails, but opening Wano's borders is a prelude of the Final Saga of One Piece.

Giving Carrot random busywork for Robin has nothing to do with the Dawn. It's basically the same as telling Carrot to go around the world, draw maps (which is strangely confirmed she can do), and give to Nami for her to complete her Map of the World before the series ends. It's contrived and based on the notion that Pedro was going around getting arbitrary Poneglyphs. Robin's dream is uncovering the true history of the World, but her primary target is the Void Century, whose secret contents lie in Laugh Tale. The Poneglyphs are something they encounter as they go on their adventures, you don't need another character doing that for them. Carrot going Poneglyph hunting is nothing more than a fabricated excuse to remove her from the story. Even more disingenuous is saying that she has helped enough to contribute towards the Dawn despite the fact she still needs to understand the Straw Hats' importance, the whole point behind Pedro's sacrifice in fulfilling his dream, which relates back to the narrative Oda set up in Whole Cake from her participation, considering she wasn't even supposed to be there.

 

[Sigran101]

There's a fundamental misunderstanding you're having here in relation of the Dawn that the story already showed us. Pedro had made it clear when traversing to Whole Cake that Luffy had to think beyond beating the Emperors. He told him that Luffy needs to think what will happen after he beats Kaido since by that point Pedro already connected the dots that since the Dukes brought Luffy to the Whale Tree, he would be the one to bring forward the Dawn. From the Oden flashback, we know there's a Road Poneglyph somewhere in Wano, meaning that taking the Road Poneglyph now was their best chance to progress the prophecy that their tribe and the Kozuki Clan have been rearing towards.

Spoiler

We know what he said is true because the flashback involving Oden showed him retrieving prints of the Road Poneglyphs as well as deciphering them (you know, what Robin is doing) and using them to plot to Raftel/Laugh Tale, the "Final Island." Long after they had departed, Roger had reflected about their journey in Fishman and commented that they had come too early.

Now Luffy's here, the next coming of Joy Boy, finally here to fulfil their prophecy as foretold. Basically, the time has come already and providing Luffy the means to reach Raftel/Laugh Tale is what will help bring forth the Dawn. And remembering that Pedro wanted to join Oden and Roger on their journey, who by that point were still collecting Road Poneglyph prints prior to reaching Laugh Tale, more than likely means that fulfilling the Dawn is part of the journey.

Spoiler

It's unknown what the future post-arc entails, but opening Wano's borders is a prelude of the Final Saga of One Piece.

Giving Carrot random busywork for Robin has nothing to do with the Dawn. It's basically the same as telling Carrot to go around the world, draw maps (which is strangely confirmed she can do), and give to Nami for her to complete her Map of the World before the series ends. It's contrived and based on the notion that Pedro was going around getting arbitrary Poneglyphs. Robin's dream is uncovering the true history of the World, but her primary target is the Void Century, whose secret contents lie in Laugh Tale. The Poneglyphs are something they encounter as they go on their adventures, you don't need another character doing that for them. Carrot going Poneglyph hunting is nothing more than a fabricated excuse to remove her from the story. Even more disingenuous is saying that she has helped enough to contribute towards the Dawn despite the fact she still needs to understand the Straw Hats' importance, the whole point behind Pedro's sacrifice in fulfilling his dream, which relates back to the narrative Oda set up in Whole Cake from her participation, considering she wasn't even supposed to be there.

What a well crafted argument! Now watch as people respond with 4 sentences of opinions and no supporting panels.

 

[Visa]

What a well crafted argument! Now watch as people respond with 4 sentences of opinions and no supporting panels.

Don't worry, a lot of us are used to it by this point.

 

[Garp the Fist]

There's a fundamental misunderstanding you're having here in relation of the Dawn that the story already showed us.

No, the Dawn is still just the end of Wano. Beginning of a new day- the death of Oden and overthrow of the Kozuki’s been symbolised as an “eternal night”- centuries of isolation for Wano over, arrival of the one who the world has been waiting for in Luffy, time to begin preparations for the final war. That’s what Toki’s prophecy is about. That is why at the beginning of this arc we literally had a prophecy talking about how the Dawn would be brought about by the end of it.

The Dawn is not Luffy’s endgoal. It is not something that has ever been implied as the end goal. That’s why Whitebeard‘s death speech never mentioned it, why Roger never mentioned it once in either his talk with Whitebeard or in the journey to Laugh Tale. That’s why Shanks said he “bet on a new era”, not that he “bet on the Dawn.” That’s why Sharly’s prophecy as a child didn’t mention it, nor did the Sea Kings talk about it. It is not endgame for the series, but for Wano. That’s why it revolves around both Luffy and Momo, and why it’s only been brought up as we approach Wano, not throughout the series.

It’s also the reason why, instead of saving a grand Su Long charge of the Minks until EoS, Oda’s gave us it here and it’s been kind of overshadowed by the Scabbards. The Dawn is a Kozuki/Mink plotline, and we’re seeing the conclusion on it here and now, so Oda doesn‘t need to hold anything back with them. Compare it to how he treats real EoS plots, like Shirahoshi’s powers and the fate of the Fishmen, where we only got a bare glimpse of the abilities she had at her command. Or how there’s been characters like Dragon, Shanks and Mihawk that Oda has kept in reserve for literal decades with us only getting the bare minimum of what they can do.

Pedro had made it clear when traversing to Whole Cake that Luffy had to think beyond beating the Emperors. He told him that Luffy needs to think what will happen after he beats Kaido since by that point Pedro already connected the dots that since the Dukes brought Luffy to the Whale Tree, he would be the one to bring forward the Dawn.

Yeah. Pedro knew, this guy will be the one who will bring the Dawn. He knew that person would be the one to go the Laugh Tale, and to do that he would need the Road Poneglyphs.

That doesn‘t change what the dawn is- the start. It’s not like the Kozuki and the Minks are just going to say “ah well, Dawn has risen, no need to help Luffy anymore, we’ve got what we wanted.”

Now Luffy's here, the next coming of Joy Boy, finally here to fulfil their prophecy as foretold.

Yes

Basically, the time has come already and providing Luffy the means to reach Raftel/Laugh Tale is what will help bring forth the Dawn

No. The order is not Wano, then Laugh Tale, then the Dawn. it‘s the Dawn as the sign to begin preparing for Laugh Tale and the war that will follow. That’s why Momonosuke is also the one who will bring the Dawn, as the Kozuki have to be the one to open the borders that they closed. It’s something to be shared between Luffy and Momo. Luffy is not sharing the spotlight of the great end triumph of the series with Momo, or anyone except maybe Shirahoshi.

but opening Wano's borders is a prelude of the Final Saga of One Piece.

Yes, exactly. There’s a good word that’s a synonym for prelude, you know.

Dawn.

Which is fitting, in the One Piece version of the Land of the Rising Sun.

Giving Carrot random busywork for Robin has nothing to do with the Dawn.

It would at least keep her slightly relevant to the overarching plot, since the Dawn story is over and done with here. Otherwise, pointless adventure it is. That doesn’t bother me at all, mind you.

The Poneglyphs are something they encounter as they go on their adventures, you don't need another character doing that for them.

They do though. They haven‘t came across enough of them in story. And weren’t you arguing that the RA were doing exactly this for Robin?

Even more disingenuous is saying that she has helped enough to contribute towards the Dawn despite the fact she still needs to understand the Straw Hats' importance, the whole point behind Pedro's sacrifice in fulfilling his dream, which relates back to the narrative Oda set up in Whole Cake from her participation, considering she wasn't even supposed to be there.

She hasn‘t done that yet, but she’ll have done it by the end of the arc. That’s why Oda reintroduced the plotline after over a hundred chapters when Carrot started to fight Perospero, it’s a sign to the readers that “oh, that thing Pedro said before he died, keep that in mind, it’s about to be important.”

 

[Sigran101]

I've never been clear on what the dawn is supposed to be exactly. Aren't there multiple interpretations going around?

 

[Visa]

No, the Dawn is still just the end of Wano. Beginning of a new day- the death of Oden and overthrow of the Kozuki’s been symbolised as an “eternal night”- centuries of isolation for Wano over, arrival of the one who the world has been waiting for in Luffy, time to begin preparations for the final war. That’s what Toki’s prophecy is about. That is why at the beginning of this arc we literally had a prophecy talking about how the Dawn would be brought about by the end of it.

No, its not. The Dawn wouldn't be concluded if it had required Pedro to get Road Poneglyphs for preparing the day for its re-emergence. Case in point: Why would getting the Road Poneglyphs be necessary for Pedro if it didn't have relevance for his constant reference of the Dawn and why he was insistent on going to Whole Cake Island with the crew if at the end of the day, like he pointed out, once they had beaten Kaido and retrieved that Road Poneglyph, Big Mom would be the next stop, making it a priority to do it while they were there? And after the Road Poneglyph they will inevitably get in Wano, there's one more, meaning it serves its purpose past this arc.

Oden's speech was in relation to how the figure is going to come after those 800 years and that they must aid him. Toki prophesized that everyone is still unaware of what the Dawn that is to come, not that opening the borders is the immediate result of it. You're taking Kin'emon's take on it.

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Oden's journey had brought that to light that and I swear I had posted it here in the past. Too lazy to look now.

The Dawn is not Luffy’s endgoal. It is not something that has ever been implied as the end goal. That’s why Whitebeard‘s death speech never mentioned it, why Roger never mentioned it once in either his talk with Whitebeard or in the journey to Laugh Tale. That’s why Shanks said he “bet on a new era”, not that he “bet on the Dawn.” That’s why Sharly’s prophecy as a child didn’t mention it, nor did the Sea Kings talk about it. It is not endgame for the series, but for Wano. That’s why it revolves around both Luffy and Momo, and why it’s only been brought up as we approach Wano, not throughout the series.

Never said it was, only you are saying that. It's something that Luffy by proxy of his adventure to Laugh Tale will end up ushering since, once again, the purpose that Pedro's Nox Expedition Party existed was to get all 4 Road Poneglyphs so that when the prophesized day comes for the return of Joy Boy, they would be able to facilitate their dream for the Dawn of the World. Why did you think Pedro volunteered to go so insistently as a child?

It’s also the reason why, instead of saving a grand Su Long charge of the Minks until EoS, Oda’s gave us it here and it’s been kind of overshadowed by the Scabbards. The Dawn is a Kozuki/Mink plotline, and we’re seeing the conclusion on it here and now, so Oda doesn‘t need to hold anything back with them. Compare it to how he treats real EoS plots, like Shirahoshi’s powers and the fate of the Fishmen, where we only got a bare glimpse of the abilities she had at her command. Or how there’s been characters like Dragon, Shanks and Mihawk that Oda has kept in reserve for literal decades with us only getting the bare minimum of what they can do.

It is related to the Kozukis and the Minks, yes. But its not ending in Wano. Once again, why did you think the Nox Expedition Party existed? You wanna know other plotlines connected them? Zuneisha's millennium long punishment walking the world and that eventually the Minks will no longer be able to live on top of them. There's also the fact Momonosuke can command him, just like Shirahoshi. Before the Musketeers left Zou towards Wano, Momo said he was going to have a talk with him. Strange how 2 isolated nations have an apparent rich history together. Oh, but that means nothing and does not qualify as a "real" EoS plot for you, right? It holds no weight beyond this arc because you choose not to acknowledge it? Huh, how strange.

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Yeah. Pedro knew, this guy will be the one who will bring the Dawn. He knew that person would be the one to go the Laugh Tale, and to do that he would need the Road Poneglyphs.

That doesn‘t change what the dawn is- the start. It’s not like the Kozuki and the Minks are just going to say “ah well, Dawn has risen, no need to help Luffy anymore, we’ve got what we wanted.”

Garp, this makes no sense. Stop being disingenuous. Pedro's final flashback monologue stated that by doing this he was helping bring the Dawn.

No. The order is not Wano, then Laugh Tale, then the Dawn. it‘s the Dawn as the sign to begin preparing for Laugh Tale and the war that will follow. That’s why Momonosuke is also the one who will bring the Dawn, as the Kozuki have to be the one to open the borders that they closed. It’s something to be shared between Luffy and Momo. Luffy is not sharing the spotlight of the great end triumph of the series with Momo, or anyone except maybe Shirahoshi.

He kinda is considering if you look at both Fishman Island and on Zou, Luffy's ability to hear the Voice of All Things acted up. Huh, also strange. Almost like they're really plot relevant.

Yes, exactly. There’s a good word that’s a synonym for prelude, you know.

Dawn.

Which is fitting, in the One Piece version of the Land of the Rising Sun.

If you want to make wordplay for that, so be it. However, I think World of the Rising Sun sounds better.

It would at least keep her slightly relevant to the overarching plot, since the Dawn story is over and done with here. Otherwise, pointless adventure it is. That doesn’t bother me at all, mind you.

That's a fictional construct you made through ignoring that the Road Poneglyphs are related for the Dawn, but somehow you want Carrot to do something that isn't necessary because you don't know how Oda is going to make her productive. The argument you're skewing is that you acknowledge Pedro went on an expedition for Poneglyphs in preparation for the Dawn of the World that is prophesized. Oh, but the argument is that its not "that" important because the Dawn is only Wano opening its borders, but then why would you go retrieve Road Poneglyphs when the end result was simply waiting for a group of individuals to open up a country? That's why I called it a prelude, its not the end result.

They do though. They haven‘t came across enough of them in story. And weren’t you arguing that the RA were doing exactly this for Robin?

When were you the deciding factor for when Robin should get them all? As I said, Robin's goal has always been centered on the Void Century. When they'll encounter them, they will and seeing as the Revolutionary Army has been wanting to have Robin for a long time, there's no reason to assume she hasn't been doing so.

She hasn‘t done that yet, but she’ll have done it by the end of the arc. That’s why Oda reintroduced the plotline after over a hundred chapters when Carrot started to fight Perospero, it’s a sign to the readers that “oh, that thing Pedro said before he died, keep that in mind, it’s about to be important.”

Yeah, but you know what else was brought up preceding that? Everything Pedro did and said prior to blowing up. Fighting Perospero isn't answering the question what the Dawn is. Opening Wano's borders won't completely tell Carrot why the Straw Hats are so important and just saying "she'll have it done by the end of the arc" is grossly underestimating everything that even brought a character who was never supposed to be involved in all of this to now have to be at the forefront of understanding this truth. With that knowledge, what will Carrot do? It's inevitable she'll find out, but if your response is the Minks' attack EoS, then that would arbitrarily throw out any reason Oda had to drag her along all this way for her to say "just be support." Kinda dumb in my eyes.

 

[Prochief]

This reminds me of the discussion that wano's dawn and the dawn of the world are not the same thing.

Agreed with everything you said up until this paragraph. The stuff in bold is just not true.

Night hasn't been centuries in Wano. We've been told exactly how long it's been. Multiple times in fact.

"The night woven of 20 years"

"It's not like usual nights...Now begins an eternal night that never breaks"

The dawn symbolism goes faaaaar further than Wano and it's been in the series since literally the very first chapter that was named Romance Dawn. The night doesn't simply mean Wano's isolation like you suggested. It's far more likely to mean enslavement and a loss of freedom (one of the biggest themes in the whole series). Wano entered its 20 year night when Oden was executed and Wano was truly lost. The rest of the world on the other hand has been in a 800 year night ever since the WG won the war against the Ancient Kingdom.

Wano was protected from the "great external power" and threat of enslavement by closing its borders, but thanks to Kaido and Orochi, it too entered a long night centuries after the rest of the world.

Dawn will come to Wano when it's liberated from Kaido and co, but dawn will only come to the entire world when it is fundamentally changed by defeating the enslaving force of the WG.


It's an idea that's been present in the story continuously. As with many things, it may be known by different names in certain countries, but they're all talking about the same thing.

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Even your big blue buddy's entire race and arc was centred around the idea of the sun. From the Eve tree, the sun pirates, "path towards the sun", sun tattoos, etc. It's all associated with how their race that had been persecuted, and discriminated against are longing for the light of the sun. The light that the dawn brings in. It's very clearly all connected to one another. The straw hats, the people who are going to bring in the dawn, literally go sailing around on the Thousand Sunny... Like it can't really get much clearer than that. There's practically no chance that this plot is solely related to Wano when you consider just how relevant it is to many, many other arcs.

How does the world change by defeating Kaido? Pedro always looked ahead of defeating emperors as if there was a greater thing to be done after that.

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Pedro's idea of the dawn, and the truth of the straw hats that he passed on to Carrot is something that goes further than Wano.
Why else would he be talking about stuff post Kaido, if Kaido's defeat was the dawn itself.

Yeah, whilst being ambiguous, can be interpreted in a way that reflects what we already know.

The dawn = Defeating the WG and the new free world that emerges
Wano's role in this is that it will be the main island (kinda like a HQ) in the fight against the WG. When Wano dawn comes to Wano (meaning when it's liberated from Kaido etc.), it will then play a big role in rallying countries against the WG. Momo as the shogun of Wano will therefore play a significant role in guiding the world to a new dawn. But ultimately, the ones that will bring the dawn are the straw hats. The primary figures in all of this.

Oden himself acknowledged that the ones to bring in the dawn would be external figures, that obviously means he knows it's not his own son.

-The entire world awaits Luffy (joyboy) and the straw hats.
-Wano's borders must be open and play an active role in world affairs (the fight against the WG)
-Momo, the leader of Wano will play a role in the dawn by cooperating with the straw hats

We can expect other leaders such as Vivi, and Shirahoshi with her Poseidon power to all be playing similar roles to Momo.

But yes, Wano's dawn and the dawn of the world are two different things. Wano's dawn is the fulfilment of a 20 year prophecy of liberating Wano from persecution by Kaido and Orochi. The dawn of the world is fulfilment of a 800 year prophecy of liberating the entire world from the persecution by WG.

 

[vikas]

I mean actual giant plus I hate Yamato

The most you can get is a tall human

 

[supaaasoup]

to know that carrot stan (+anti yamato) vs yamato stan (+anti carrot) argument will continue until at least next year (or until this arc ends) is...😂 people will be raging every week like this bcs the absolute answer for both of their path can only answered probably after wano ends. I'll be supporting both to join anyway.

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because readers still only know half or even less about these two. it almost obvious that there will be something more to reveal sooner or later so arguing with only current fact is endless.

 

[thedarkdragon11]

What if there will be a giant recruit? Or, to be more specific, an undersized (Elbaf's shortest warrior; just as tall as Seagull), young (same age as Sabo), and non-bulky giant (slim-type) who will become Elbaf's 1st Logia?

 

[vikas]

What if there will be a giant recruit? Or, to be more specific, an undersized (Elbaf's shortest warrior; just as tall as Seagull), young (same age as Sabo), and non-bulky giant (slim-type) who will become Elbaf's 1st Logia?

I thought of that, especially since we had one such character in the special episode with Lily Enstomach.
But right now the young ones are in Hajruddins' crew and he seems to be the ony prominent one who will be relevant with SHs. Any other young ones will probably follow him rather than luffy.
And we can't have anyone of same age as Sabo since there lifespan is different .