General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet

[Uncle Van]

Sad thing is that there are some easy pro Carrot arguments that can be made instead of toxicity and dishonestly changing the goal posts.

Every SH has thematic importance and symbolism for being a SH, and not all of them have end goals that requires them to be a SH like Brooke and Jinbe.

For the 3rd time, Jinbe's official inauguration was postponed until after Wano, and he is the thematic representation of the Sun. The topic of the Sun was even brought up during his fight with WsW. Since we have the Sun, why not the Moon?

The Dawn, something that the Minks and Yamato brought up, is the Sun rising over the world. Not only do the Mink Tribe draw power from the Moon, Pedro was captain of the Nox Pirates aka the Night Pirates(Nox means Night). The Kozuki Clan symbolizes the Moon as well and Yamato trying to be Oden could work.

The SHs are bringing the dawn and has the symbolism for the Sun in Jinbe, so its appropriate for them to have the symbolism for the Moon. Just like that, some potential thematic representation for Carrot...

 

[Un-amed]

Sad thing is that there are some easy pro Carrot arguments that can be made instead of toxicity and dishonestly changing the goal posts.

Every SH has thematic importance and symbolism for being a SH, and not all of them have end goals that requires them to be a SH like Brooke and Jinbe.

For the 3rd time, Jinbe's official inauguration was postponed until after Wano, and he is the thematic representation of the Sun. The topic of the Sun was even brought up during his fight with WsW. Since we have the Sun, why not the Moon?

The Dawn, something that the Minks and Yamato brought up, is the Sun rising over the world. Not only do the Mink Tribe draw power from the Moon, Pedro was captain of the Nox Pirates aka the Night Pirates(Nox means Night). The Kozuki Clan symbolizes the Moon as well and Yamato trying to be Oden could work.

The SHs are bringing the dawn and has the symbolism for the Sun in Jinbe, so its appropriate for them to have the symbolism for the Moon. Just like that, some potential thematic representation for Carrot...

It's not fair to act as if this hasn't been mentioned, when you have a user arguing here with that thematic scheme as a profile picture xDxdxD

 

[Ravagerblade]

Sad thing is that there are some easy pro Carrot arguments that can be made instead of toxicity and dishonestly changing the goal posts.

Every SH has thematic importance and symbolism for being a SH, and not all of them have end goals that requires them to be a SH like Brooke and Jinbe.

For the 3rd time, Jinbe's official inauguration was postponed until after Wano, and he is the thematic representation of the Sun. The topic of the Sun was even brought up during his fight with WsW. Since we have the Sun, why not the Moon?

The Dawn, something that the Minks and Yamato brought up, is the Sun rising over the world. Not only do the Mink Tribe draw power from the Moon, Pedro was captain of the Nox Pirates aka the Night Pirates(Nox means Night). The Kozuki Clan symbolizes the Moon as well and Yamato trying to be Oden could work.

The SHs are bringing the dawn and has the symbolism for the Sun in Jinbe, so its appropriate for them to have the symbolism for the Moon. Just like that, some potential thematic representation for Carrot...

Wolves have long been thought of with the Moon being part of it's themes or whatever.
Werewolves etc... Wolves howling to the Moon. etc...

 

[dizzy2341]

It's not fair to act as if this hasn't been mentioned, when you have a user arguing here with that thematic scheme as a profile picture xDxdxD

It's been mentioned countless times, by countless individuals for many, many years lmao. But this shouldn't surprise you.

We also had this same group celebrating their illiteracy the other day, for some reason thinking that the fact they can't read was actually some kind of flex. Don't expect normal behaviour from abnormal individuals.

 

[Uncle Van]

If the Sun & Moon stuff is so great, I'm wondering why no one regularly uses that for an argument instead of nonsense like Yamato not joining because Nami is now a club user.

 

[dizzy2341]

No one ever actually said Yamao can't join because Nami now uses a club. The point was always from the very beginning that Yamao's weapon and fighting style is way too generic and Nami's shape-shifting, sentient, weather manipulating club only highlights Yamao's ordinariness even more.

Thankfully, if you can read, or aren't obsessively compelled to straw-man at every possible opportunity, understanding this simple argument won't be an issue for you, whether you agree with it or not.

 

[Uncle Van]

No one ever actually said Yamao can't join because Nami now uses a club. The point was always from the very beginning that Yamao's weapon and fighting style is way too generic and Nami's shape-shifting, sentient, weather manipulating club only highlights Yamao's ordinariness even more.

Thankfully, if you can read, or aren't obsessively compelled to straw-man at every possible opportunity, understanding this simple argument won't be an issue for you, whether you agree with it or not.

Never said that you claimed Yamato can't join so ironic strawmanning on your part. I'm obviously talking about how you claimed Nami is a club user that it's minus points for Yamato's chances, to further your main point that Carrot is joining and not Yamato

Nami's new power up spells more bad news for Yamao's chances.

She now has a club, just like Yamao. Except that Nami's is infinitely more unique as it is sentient, can change shape and can also be used for all her other tempo attacks. Once again highlights how special straw hats' weapons/fighting styles are and that Yamao's just can't compete.

If Oda was gonna have a club user join the crew then he likely would've given the weapon any of the 3 special characteristics that Nami's weapon now has, instead of simply leaving it as a generic fodder weapon.

You always argue for Yamato not joining and the Club takes is just more nonsense you use to support that. You not gonna make another PM accusing me of protecting Yamato fans again are you?

 

[Queek Hea D Taker]

I guess we need to kick Brook of the crew, having already Zoro as swordsman...

 

[YouReadItWrong]

I guess we need to kick Brook of the crew, having already Zoro as swordsman...

What the hell you talking about?!!!
We need music baby! Music!

 

[dizzy2341]

Never said that you claimed Yamato can't join so ironic strawmanning on your part. I'm obviously talking about how you claimed Nami is a club user that it's minus points for Yamato's chances, to further your main point that Carrot is joining and not Yamato

"If Oda was gonna have a club user join the crew then he likely would've given the weapon any of the 3 special characteristics that Nami's weapon now has, instead of simply leaving it as a generic fodder weapon."

You literally highlight me stating that the reason this is a negative for Yamao is because of how generic the weapon is, not because Nami also uses a club. Just say you can't read and go.

"Some have eyes, but cannot see".

You always argue for Yamato not joining and the Club takes is just more nonsense you use to support that. You not gonna make another PM accusing me of protecting Yamato fans again are you?

Stop being an embarrassing hack and I won't need.

 

[Kai. Do]

No one ever actually said Yamao can't join because Nami now uses a club. The point was always from the very beginning that Yamao's weapon and fighting style is way too generic and Nami's shape-shifting, sentient, weather manipulating club only highlights Yamao's ordinariness even more.

Thankfully, if you can read, or aren't obsessively compelled to straw-man at every possible opportunity, understanding this simple argument won't be an issue for you, whether you agree with it or not.

A mythical Zoan is generic? They are the rarest devil fruits of all. If Yamato's mythical zoan is generic then what does that make Carrot who uses electro just like Nami?

Yamato actually has 2 different fighting styles. Physical Haki infused melee flying smashes in base form (an attack that no one else in the crew uses), as well as releasing ice blasts in hybrid zoan form that not even Brook can do.

If Yamato is considered 'generic' then how do we describe Carrot?

Sulong- a transformation move just like Chopper but more restricting as it can only be used once every month, unlike Chopper who can use his whenever he wants, and also has way more different transformations, doesn't need full moon either.

Electro- a weaker version of Nami's storm clouds

Jumping ability- even Sulong Carrot doesn't match Sanji's skywalk, and Sanji still has Blue Walk to move fast underwater.

This post of yours here is exactly what Van was talking about of moving the goal post all the time. If there is anybody straw manning here, it's you.

 

[Uncle Van]

A mythical Zoan is generic? They are the rarest devil fruits of all. If Yamato's mythical zoan is generic then what does that make Carrot who uses electro just like Nami?

Yamato actually has 2 different fighting styles. Physical Haki infused melee flying smashes in base form (an attack that no one else in the crew uses), as well as releasing ice blasts in hybrid zoan form that not even Brook can do.

If Yamato is considered 'generic' then how do we describe Carrot?

Sulong- a transformation move just like Chopper but more restricting as it can only be used once every month, unlike Chopper who can use his whenever he wants, and also has way more different transformations, doesn't need full moon either.

Electro- a weaker version of Nami's storm clouds

Jumping ability- even Sulong Carrot doesn't match Sanji's skywalk, and Sanji still has Blue Walk to move fast underwater.

This post of yours here is exactly what Van was talking about of moving the goal post all the time. If there is anybody straw manning here, it's you.

It's what he does. One time he was saying Yamato was gonna stay as Wano's guardian. I called him out on his arguments about Yamato staying in Wano and he switched to Yamato leaving Wano with Momo(but still say Yamato is Wano's guardian), to call strawman. He says Carrot will be a SH and brings up many reasons including the color wheel, but if you say the color wheel doesn't make her a SH, he'll scream "I didn't say the color wheel was the only argument" and call strawman.

Funnily enough, the stuff I say to him was said by like half the active users in thread. I'm sometimes the 6th or 7th person to say it to him but for some reason I alone am straw manning him.

 

[dizzy2341]

I guess we need to kick Brook of the crew, having already Zoro as swordsman...

Just going to clear this up once and for all, since some are desperately trying to twist the argument into something that it never was.

It was never that "Oh, Nami now uses a club. Yamao also uses a club. Therefore Yamao can't join". That's complete nonsense. Both the argument itself as well as the claim that it is what I stated.

The point was always: "Yamao's weapon is way too generic in comparison to the other straw hats' weapons and fighting styles. Nami's incredibly unique clima-tact only further highlights that."

Zoro:
-Uses 3 swords simultaneously
-All his swords are rare, graded blades and there's a unique history behind each of them that relates to Zoro's character
-He fights whilst holding one in his mouth

Nami:
-Uses a baton (a type of club) that can manipulate the weather
-Her baton is sentient and houses a fragment of a yonko's soul
-Her baton can shape-shift

Usopp:
-Uses a slingshot as a sniper in a world overflowing with standard guns
-His slingshot can become sentient
-His slingshot uses plants as ammo
-His slingshot can even make its own ammo
-His slingshot can grow in size

Franky:
-Uses the countless weapons on his cyborg body
-Uses lasers
-Uses a giant robot

Brook:
-He uses a Shikomizue
-He can use his sword as a violin bow
-He can use his sword to freeze people

Now describe Yamao's club. Describe what makes it special. Describe how it is unique. Explain how you would differentiate Yamao's club from that of literally countless individuals in the series. If you can't, then that's the very argument I was making.

 

[Kai. Do]

Just going to clear this up once and for all, since some are desperately trying to twist the argument into something that it never was.

It was never that "Oh, Nami now uses a club. Yamao also uses a club. Therefore Yamao can't join". That's complete nonsense. Both the argument itself as well as the claim that it is what I stated.

The point was always: "Yamao's weapon is way too generic in comparison to the other straw hats' weapons and fighting styles. Nami's incredibly unique clima-tact only further highlights that."

Zoro:
-Uses 3 swords simultaneously
-All his swords are rare, graded blades and there's a unique history behind each of them that relates to Zoro's character
-He fights whilst holding one in his mouth

Nami:
-Uses a baton (a type of club) that can manipulate the weather
-Her baton is sentient and houses a fragment of a yonko's soul
-Her baton can shape-shift

Usopp:
-Uses a slingshot as a sniper in a world overflowing with standard guns
-His slingshot can become sentient
-His slingshot uses plants as ammo
-His slingshot can even make its own ammo
-His slingshot can grow in size

Franky:
-Uses the countless weapons on his cyborg body
-Uses lasers
-Uses a giant robot

Brook:
-He uses a Shikomizue
-He can use his sword as a violin bow
-He can use his sword to freeze people

Now describe Yamao's club. Describe what makes it special. Describe how it is unique. Explain how you would differentiate Yamao's club from that of literally countless individuals in the series. If you can't, then that's the very argument I was making.

Can Nami's Club knock out a Number in one hit?

Can Nami's Club attack travel a long distance?

Can Carrot's Sulong go toe to toe with Kaido?

Can Brook's ice meet and clash Kaido's boro breath half way?

 

[RobinsFeet]

Imagine wasting your time hating a fictional character using thousands and thousand of words, thinking this character will not be a main character, but in the end everything was in vain.

Yamao will join the straw hats and you can not do anything about it. It does not matter what you say and how many words you use. Your fantasy will not change the reality.

Life is short. This is how you want to spend your precious time with?

 

[YouReadItWrong]

Life is short. This is how you want to spend your precious time with?

100B likes for the last phrase

 

[dizzy2341]

30 year olds, naming themselves "Robin's feet" talking about making good life choices on a forum made for discussing a Japanese children's comic. You're right, perhaps we should all heed your warning.

 

[Sigran101]

30 year olds, naming themselves "Robin's feet" talking about making good life choices on a forum made for discussing a Japanese children's comic. You're right, perhaps we should all heed your warning.

This coming from someone who repeatedly ignores offers of friendship without so much as a response because they're too salty over a disgreement about a manga.

 

[Uncle Van]

This coming from someone who repeatedly ignores offers of friendship without so much as a response because they're too salty over a disgreement about a manga.

We all can easily shit on Yamato together. 2020 is flooded with posts of me shitting on Yamato, calling her a bland nami clone lol.

 

[JoSeungHun7335]

This coming from someone who repeatedly ignores offers of friendship without so much as a response because they're too salty over a disgreement about a manga.

and it’s not even a month ago that he played the victim card by saying that Yamato fans “have low emotional intelligence” because they “personally attack him”. And not surprisingly he did it himself to other.