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Not dodging anything here dude.. Carrot's main antagonist might be Perospero, but with what I know of the story, I'm not that sure about it. Again, I think someone else will confront Carrot on her ideals.
No, it's not enough, and if you have read what I said later.. you would have understand.. A mugiwara not only need to have his mindset changed by LUffy, but changed enough that he wants to fight for him. A complete shift. Not a simple resolution of a character arc.
Wrong, and you should read what I talked about with @Sigran101
Luffy didn't defeat all the protagonist of all the strawhats in fact it only happened with:
Zoro / Nami / Usopp and Chopper. We are far from all the antagonists..
reread what I said. Thanks.
I said indirectly, read carefully.
Why do I even try lol
No, it's not enough, and if you have read what I said later.. you would have understand.. A mugiwara not only need to have his mindset changed by LUffy, but changed enough that he wants to fight for him. A complete shift. Not a simple resolution of a character arc.
Wrong, and you should read what I talked about with @Sigran101
Luffy didn't defeat all the protagonist of all the strawhats in fact it only happened with:
Zoro / Nami / Usopp and Chopper. We are far from all the antagonists..
reread what I said. Thanks.
I said indirectly, read carefully.
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First off, fair enough on the trashtalk. I'll ratchet it down. You haven't been calling me a pidgeon so I'll try not to diss you either.
As for the rest, saying a new nakama has to be impressed to a certain degree or it doesn't count and it can't be just by his words just feels like gatekeeping. We didn't see Luffy completely change Zoro, Sanji, Franky, or Jinbei's mindset, he just convinced them to join him. Heck, Zoro was just straight up blackmailed into joining the crew and didn't show true loyalty until much later. It was Luffy's words that recruited him as well, not his actions. All Luffy did was tell him Helmeppo planned to kill him and offer to set him free. Even if this wasn't the case, breaking Yamato's cuffs and beating Kaido are actions, not words. As Ace said, there were chains around her wrists and her heart. She couldn't leave because she was chaimed, and because she couldn't bear to leave Wano while Kaido was still opressing it. These are more actions that Luffy performed to impress her than half the crew.
As far as the selfish issue, I think the best way to describe Luffy is selfishly selfless. He looks after his own interests, sure. But he wants to see his friends happy and he goes to great lengths to help them. Sure it's because he wants to, but it still ends up being a sacrifice for him in order to help someone else. This is why Luffy is not just an asshole. It doesn't take much to become Luffy's friend either. Give him a little food, attend a party together, or perform some small act of kindness for him and he'll tear the whole world down for you. That's why he risks everything for people who are almost complete strangers (like risking Chopper being forced onto Foxy's crew for the farmer in long ring long land). With this in mind, don't you think a person that Ace, the one Luffy cared about most, failed to uphold his promise to because he died first, is someone Luffy would take action for? Especially simce he partially blames himself for not being able to save Ace, and thus for his promise being broken. Not to mention she protected Momo and held off Kaido from murdering Luffy's whole crew, an act Luffy was clearly very grateful for.
I'm sorry, but I just can't see how the incident with Tom does not make Spandam Franky's villain. He used Franky's own creations to frame his father figure then killed him in front of him. Did you miss the part where he threw himself in front of the train afterwards and got super disfigured? All of Franky's trauma is from this incident. Just because he wasn't the one who died doesn't mean it's not his villain. Killing a loved one is the trigger for nearly every revenge story in fiction.
As for the rest, saying a new nakama has to be impressed to a certain degree or it doesn't count and it can't be just by his words just feels like gatekeeping. We didn't see Luffy completely change Zoro, Sanji, Franky, or Jinbei's mindset, he just convinced them to join him. Heck, Zoro was just straight up blackmailed into joining the crew and didn't show true loyalty until much later. It was Luffy's words that recruited him as well, not his actions. All Luffy did was tell him Helmeppo planned to kill him and offer to set him free. Even if this wasn't the case, breaking Yamato's cuffs and beating Kaido are actions, not words. As Ace said, there were chains around her wrists and her heart. She couldn't leave because she was chaimed, and because she couldn't bear to leave Wano while Kaido was still opressing it. These are more actions that Luffy performed to impress her than half the crew.
As far as the selfish issue, I think the best way to describe Luffy is selfishly selfless. He looks after his own interests, sure. But he wants to see his friends happy and he goes to great lengths to help them. Sure it's because he wants to, but it still ends up being a sacrifice for him in order to help someone else. This is why Luffy is not just an asshole. It doesn't take much to become Luffy's friend either. Give him a little food, attend a party together, or perform some small act of kindness for him and he'll tear the whole world down for you. That's why he risks everything for people who are almost complete strangers (like risking Chopper being forced onto Foxy's crew for the farmer in long ring long land). With this in mind, don't you think a person that Ace, the one Luffy cared about most, failed to uphold his promise to because he died first, is someone Luffy would take action for? Especially simce he partially blames himself for not being able to save Ace, and thus for his promise being broken. Not to mention she protected Momo and held off Kaido from murdering Luffy's whole crew, an act Luffy was clearly very grateful for.
I'm sorry, but I just can't see how the incident with Tom does not make Spandam Franky's villain. He used Franky's own creations to frame his father figure then killed him in front of him. Did you miss the part where he threw himself in front of the train afterwards and got super disfigured? All of Franky's trauma is from this incident. Just because he wasn't the one who died doesn't mean it's not his villain. Killing a loved one is the trigger for nearly every revenge story in fiction.
How do you say youre not dodging then proceed to dodge in the same sentence?lol
“you think” someone else will come?
isn’t that that just headcannon? Until u have proof all youre doing is stating ehat you WANT to happen
What? Now youre just talking nonsense
do you know how many nonstrawhat characters who have been changed by luffy now or have wanted to fight for him?
its not hard im sure you can list some yourself.
*nope..sanjis was kreig...who was controling gin?
did gin even WANT to do the things he was doing?
*Robin would have literally gave up living if he didnt save her from both croco-boy and cp9
*ima need u to explain exactly how frankys was not spandam
*lastly jinbe...
Jinbes whole arc revolves around wanting to end hatred or racism between fishman and humans. Wasnt that fisher tiger and otohimes last wish?
and what characters are the PERSONIFICATION of that hatred?
thats right BOTH arlong and hody...
who did Jinbe thank for defeating arlong..something he himself could not bring himself to do?
why did Jinbe DIRECTLY ask Luffy to be the one to defeat hody?something he himself could have easily done?
he has no connection to the wg besides previously being a warlord for the SOLE reason of trying to usher peace between humans and fishman.
if his enemy was the wg he would be in the revolutionarys..
you seem not to be as good at understanding writing as you claim to be if you cant even understand this.
And like I said Luffy doesn’t ”indirectly’ help his crewmates. And he also has indirectly helped many side characters too.
he needs to do it DIRECTLY. Something ive repeated multiple times but you seem to keep finding ways to dodge this.
“you think” someone else will come?
isn’t that that just headcannon? Until u have proof all youre doing is stating ehat you WANT to happen
What? Now youre just talking nonsense
do you know how many nonstrawhat characters who have been changed by luffy now or have wanted to fight for him?
its not hard im sure you can list some yourself.
*nope..sanjis was kreig...who was controling gin?
did gin even WANT to do the things he was doing?
*Robin would have literally gave up living if he didnt save her from both croco-boy and cp9
*ima need u to explain exactly how frankys was not spandam
*lastly jinbe...
Jinbes whole arc revolves around wanting to end hatred or racism between fishman and humans. Wasnt that fisher tiger and otohimes last wish?
and what characters are the PERSONIFICATION of that hatred?
thats right BOTH arlong and hody...
who did Jinbe thank for defeating arlong..something he himself could not bring himself to do?
why did Jinbe DIRECTLY ask Luffy to be the one to defeat hody?something he himself could have easily done?
he has no connection to the wg besides previously being a warlord for the SOLE reason of trying to usher peace between humans and fishman.
if his enemy was the wg he would be in the revolutionarys..
you seem not to be as good at understanding writing as you claim to be if you cant even understand this.
And like I said Luffy doesn’t ”indirectly’ help his crewmates. And he also has indirectly helped many side characters too.
he needs to do it DIRECTLY. Something ive repeated multiple times but you seem to keep finding ways to dodge this.
Granted.. this is more of a long time thing that just a sudden shift. But you have to take the "contextual nature" of the story into account to really see it. (in fact you have to take it into account to see a lot of point). What i'm talking about by "contextual nature" of the story, is the result between the size of the story, the impact of the storylines, the importances of the dialogues etc..
In others words, and if we take three different moment in the story (The arc of Zoro's recrutment/ Alabasta / and Wano) the contextual nature of the story is completely different..
We begin in a context where simple jumps, bullets and axes are quite a danger with Dialogue that are not that impactfull (the Zoro recrutment pale in Comparison to Chopper's one for example)
Then we move wwith Alabasta to an arena where words are very important, where the enemy are more and more powerfull and where the context of the story englobs a great part of political setup ...
And finally we arrive in Wano, where everybit of dialogue are nearly clews for others arcs, are setup for great piece of political development, where we are fighting ennemy in the sky with attack so powerful that they can oblitarate cities.. etc..
It goes the same for the way Luffy's action impact the story but in the grand schem of things, they are of the same nature:
Zoro is still moved by Luffy during his encounter with him.. only this "moving" consist only on Zoro being astonished by the action of Luffy in front of danger. This is what make the shift between "I'll never become a pirate" to "Captain" possible.
Same for Sanji who was confronted on a deep level by the actions of Luffy. Sanji couldn't understand why Luffy doesn't give up.. and he is slowly but surely completely twisted by Luffy's action against Krieg. This is what will motivate him to move to the seas.
It happens also for Franky yet on a more broader scales as Franky is really moved by the action of all the strawhats.
And of course it also happened with Jinbe who has been completely changed by his relationship with Luffy.
The "I want to fight for him" need arrives later in the story, this is a second shift that was not needed at first but becomes relevant once we arrive to the new world. From now own, the characters won't have only their dream in mind, but Luffy first.. And this is retroactive to Jinbe as.. him also will be shown having that same urge to fight for Luffy. This is why I say that the future Mugiwara (Carrot or Yamato) will need to say (at one point) "I will fight for Luffy".
Yamato was not shown completetly moved by Luffy removing her cuff, she was gratefull, granted, but not completely moved like Chopper was - for example - when Luffy was holding his flag high and proud in front of Walpol..
But I might agree that it could happen once Luffy beat Kaido.. we will have to wait and actually see her reaction to that defeat.
Yeah. that's a good kind of selfishness. That's because of his empathy. And that's why it's so ironicle.. Luffy is the not a heros, but his action makes him one anyway, that's why I love him so much. Even his bad side become the trigger for good things in the world.
No I don't think so. Luffy might show sympathy for Yamato, even friendship in the future.. but not at the point where he will actually care enough to fight for.. Like every other character, yamato would need to do something for him first.. it could be simple.. give him a piece of meat for example, Luffy is not regarding.. but Luffy must have this insentive to fight for that person because they were kind with him.. relationship (meaning you are the friend of my friend) don't mean really anything to him only meat does lol.
I don't say that Franky's trauma is no spandam fault, it is.. completely in fact. But the narration does not put the value of Franky against the ones of Spandam, only TOm's and Robin.
In fact, the real antagonist of Franky in his flashback.. ironicly, his himself. The whole point of the flashback is an hymn to the proudness of creativity. The message Tom tried to teach Franky is as follow:
You must ALWAYS be proud of what you create, even if those things are very dangerous.
Franky in that flashback had very hard time to follow that mantra. And he only resolved it the day he decided to create a ship for the strawhat. The real antagonist of Franky is and there will always be himself.
Shall Franky lose the pride he has for his ship (because of X factor) he will be defeated completely.
Yes I did
Look closer.
In others words, and if we take three different moment in the story (The arc of Zoro's recrutment/ Alabasta / and Wano) the contextual nature of the story is completely different..
We begin in a context where simple jumps, bullets and axes are quite a danger with Dialogue that are not that impactfull (the Zoro recrutment pale in Comparison to Chopper's one for example)
Then we move wwith Alabasta to an arena where words are very important, where the enemy are more and more powerfull and where the context of the story englobs a great part of political setup ...
And finally we arrive in Wano, where everybit of dialogue are nearly clews for others arcs, are setup for great piece of political development, where we are fighting ennemy in the sky with attack so powerful that they can oblitarate cities.. etc..
It goes the same for the way Luffy's action impact the story but in the grand schem of things, they are of the same nature:
Zoro is still moved by Luffy during his encounter with him.. only this "moving" consist only on Zoro being astonished by the action of Luffy in front of danger. This is what make the shift between "I'll never become a pirate" to "Captain" possible.
Same for Sanji who was confronted on a deep level by the actions of Luffy. Sanji couldn't understand why Luffy doesn't give up.. and he is slowly but surely completely twisted by Luffy's action against Krieg. This is what will motivate him to move to the seas.
It happens also for Franky yet on a more broader scales as Franky is really moved by the action of all the strawhats.
And of course it also happened with Jinbe who has been completely changed by his relationship with Luffy.
The "I want to fight for him" need arrives later in the story, this is a second shift that was not needed at first but becomes relevant once we arrive to the new world. From now own, the characters won't have only their dream in mind, but Luffy first.. And this is retroactive to Jinbe as.. him also will be shown having that same urge to fight for Luffy. This is why I say that the future Mugiwara (Carrot or Yamato) will need to say (at one point) "I will fight for Luffy".
Yamato was not shown completetly moved by Luffy removing her cuff, she was gratefull, granted, but not completely moved like Chopper was - for example - when Luffy was holding his flag high and proud in front of Walpol..
But I might agree that it could happen once Luffy beat Kaido.. we will have to wait and actually see her reaction to that defeat.
Yeah. that's a good kind of selfishness. That's because of his empathy. And that's why it's so ironicle.. Luffy is the not a heros, but his action makes him one anyway, that's why I love him so much. Even his bad side become the trigger for good things in the world.
No I don't think so. Luffy might show sympathy for Yamato, even friendship in the future.. but not at the point where he will actually care enough to fight for.. Like every other character, yamato would need to do something for him first.. it could be simple.. give him a piece of meat for example, Luffy is not regarding.. but Luffy must have this insentive to fight for that person because they were kind with him.. relationship (meaning you are the friend of my friend) don't mean really anything to him only meat does lol.
I don't say that Franky's trauma is no spandam fault, it is.. completely in fact. But the narration does not put the value of Franky against the ones of Spandam, only TOm's and Robin.
In fact, the real antagonist of Franky in his flashback.. ironicly, his himself. The whole point of the flashback is an hymn to the proudness of creativity. The message Tom tried to teach Franky is as follow:
You must ALWAYS be proud of what you create, even if those things are very dangerous.
Franky in that flashback had very hard time to follow that mantra. And he only resolved it the day he decided to create a ship for the strawhat. The real antagonist of Franky is and there will always be himself.
Shall Franky lose the pride he has for his ship (because of X factor) he will be defeated completely.
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Yes I did
Look closer.
Yes I did Look closer.
Look closer.
Or when he fought Lovoon and destroyed his own ship?
Or when he accepted Vivi on board?
Why would Luffy puts the life of Marguerite before his Friends. The same friends who performed, as you say, shining nakama actions for him?
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I don't say that Franky's trauma is no spandam fault, it is.. completely in fact. But the narration does not put the value of Franky against the ones of Spandam, only TOm's and Robin.
In fact, the real antagonist of Franky in his flashback.. ironicly, his himself. The whole point of the flashback is an hymn to the proudness of creativity. The message Tom tried to teach Franky is as follow:
You must ALWAYS be proud of what you create, even if those things are very dangerous.
Franky in that flashback had very hard time to follow that mantra. And he only resolved it the day he decided to create a ship for the strawhat. The real antagonist of Franky is and there will always be himself.
Shall Franky lose the pride he has for his ship (because of X factor) he will be defeated completely.
Yes I did Look closer.
I don't say that Franky's trauma is no spandam fault, it is.. completely in fact. But the narration does not put the value of Franky against the ones of Spandam, only TOm's and Robin.
In fact, the real antagonist of Franky in his flashback.. ironicly, his himself. The whole point of the flashback is an hymn to the proudness of creativity. The message Tom tried to teach Franky is as follow:
You must ALWAYS be proud of what you create, even if those things are very dangerous.
Franky in that flashback had very hard time to follow that mantra. And he only resolved it the day he decided to create a ship for the strawhat. The real antagonist of Franky is and there will always be himself.
Shall Franky lose the pride he has for his ship (because of X factor) he will be defeated completely.
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Yes I did
Look closer.
spandam right?
who gave franky his pride back?
luffy right?
regardless on how you wanna look at it luffy DIRECTLY defeated frankys main enemy
It's me or I am the only one who feel you people are not reading correctly or not reading at all what I'm writing ?
Yes I "think" someone else will come. Yes this is an hypothesis. What's your point ?
Don't you see the difference when I make a statement and an hypothesis ?
Or are you just trying to find a way to make me look bad ? coz (spoiler) you don't have to
.. again I feel like talking to the wind even tho I'm not even talking to you.. "CHANGED ENOUGH TO WANT TO FIGHT FOR HIM" does it ring a bell ???.. damn.. guyz.. read before posting.Do I really have to explain what an antagonist is now ? * feeling exhausted*
Yes Luffy sometimes indirectly saves his crewmate. read the story. Moving on.
Saying it multiple time won't make it true.
Luffy didn't saved Robin, he indirectly saved her by pushing her boundary. Robin saved herself from suicid.
Sanji saved himself by actually telling the truth to Luffy, Luffy only pushed him to do it.
Luffy actually saved Zoro.
Nami wasn't saved by Luffy, she saved herself by crying for help. Without that, Luffy wouldn't have acted and I mean it.
etc.
By "saving" I don't mean physically, but mentally. Because to help them, indirectly or not. Luffy needs to be sure that those characters are ready to be helped.
So yeah, sometimes Luffy saved them directly, other times not.
When we are talking about personnal conflict, Luffy doesn't enter into the equation, only the character can make a choice.
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Still no.
It's me or I am the only one who feel you people are not reading correctly or not reading at all what I'm writing ?
Yes I "think" someone else will come. Yes this is an hypothesis. What's your point ?
Don't you see the difference when I make a statement and an hypothesis ?
Or are you just trying to find a way to make me look bad ? coz (spoiler) you don't have to
.. again I feel like talking to the wind even tho I'm not even talking to you.. "CHANGED ENOUGH TO WANT TO FIGHT FOR HIM" does it ring a bell ???.. damn.. guyz.. read before posting.
Do I really have to explain what an antagonist is now ? * feeling exhausted*
Yes Luffy sometimes indirectly saves his crewmate. read the story. Moving on.
Saying it multiple time won't make it true.
Luffy didn't saved Robin, he indirectly saved her by pushing her boundary. Robin saved herself from suicid.
Sanji saved himself by actually telling the truth to Luffy, Luffy only pushed him to do it.
Luffy actually saved Zoro.
Nami wasn't saved by Luffy, she saved herself by crying for help. Without that, Luffy wouldn't have acted and I mean it.
etc.
By "saving" I don't mean physically, but mentally. Because to help them, indirectly or not. Luffy needs to be sure that those characters are ready to be helped.
So yeah, sometimes Luffy saved them directly, other times not.
When we are talking about personnal conflict, Luffy doesn't enter into the equation, only the character can make a choice.
Still no.
Yes I "think" someone else will come. Yes this is an hypothesis. What's your point ?
Don't you see the difference when I make a statement and an hypothesis ?
Or are you just trying to find a way to make me look bad ? coz (spoiler) you don't have to
.. again I feel like talking to the wind even tho I'm not even talking to you.. "CHANGED ENOUGH TO WANT TO FIGHT FOR HIM" does it ring a bell ???.. damn.. guyz.. read before posting.Do I really have to explain what an antagonist is now ? * feeling exhausted*
Yes Luffy sometimes indirectly saves his crewmate. read the story. Moving on.
Saying it multiple time won't make it true.
Luffy didn't saved Robin, he indirectly saved her by pushing her boundary. Robin saved herself from suicid.
Sanji saved himself by actually telling the truth to Luffy, Luffy only pushed him to do it.
Luffy actually saved Zoro.
Nami wasn't saved by Luffy, she saved herself by crying for help. Without that, Luffy wouldn't have acted and I mean it.
etc.
By "saving" I don't mean physically, but mentally. Because to help them, indirectly or not. Luffy needs to be sure that those characters are ready to be helped.
So yeah, sometimes Luffy saved them directly, other times not.
When we are talking about personnal conflict, Luffy doesn't enter into the equation, only the character can make a choice.
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Still no.
I did answer you. You didn't read it.
In the three instances, Luffy is selfish. Period.
Who the frick is lovoon ? Are you talking about Laboon ?
If you start your question by "OR" without giving me the beggining of your sentences.. I don't know how I can answer that...
When did Luffy put the life of the strawhat behind the life of marguerite ?
In the three instances, Luffy is selfish. Period.
Who the frick is lovoon ? Are you talking about Laboon ?
If you start your question by "OR" without giving me the beggining of your sentences.. I don't know how I can answer that...
When did Luffy put the life of the strawhat behind the life of marguerite ?
Dude.. if you are really saying that saving = helping.. We have a problem. No.. you have problem, with english and comprehension.
So again... clear deformation of quote to fit your narrative.. AGAIN.. to make me look bad.. AGAIN.. to prove a point that I don't .. I don't know .. know what I'm talking about ?
Really?
I understand that what I'm talking about is a bit technical, so if you have question, ask me instead of quoting nonsence just to try to find gap in my argumentation (spoiler there are none)
So again... clear deformation of quote to fit your narrative.. AGAIN.. to make me look bad.. AGAIN.. to prove a point that I don't .. I don't know .. know what I'm talking about ?
Really?
I understand that what I'm talking about is a bit technical, so if you have question, ask me instead of quoting nonsence just to try to find gap in my argumentation (spoiler there are none)
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